Possible Attack in London

seesaw50 wrote: Just checking twitter ...the Muslim Council of Britain @MCB have just tweeted a condemnation ..bout bloody time

But its action thats needed not words

A lot of support for the terrorists amongst the muslims in this country. The polls and statistics are out there on the net. They dont like us, mix with us, or respect our way of life. Very worrying, dont think its going to end well.

What does my head in is the leftie celebs.

We have lost 40 odd of our citizens in the last 3 months yet we must not blame the Muslim community and celebrate what we have in common and let in more refugees or face

the wrath of Lily Allen or Charlotte Church.

Yet a black man gets shot in the US by the police and a whole new movement erupts ( Black lives matter ), rioting and looting breaks out but according to Lilly and Charlotte

that is totally justified.

NORTHERNSOUL wrote: Therell be few Mosques burning tonite with a bit of luck

Boom and there Barry goes. Doing the terrorists job for them.

When will you realise, it's marginalising and isolating your average, "normal" Muslim that pushes them into the arms of the extremists?

It would be sad if it wasn't true as this is the sort of message you want to hear. (meant the Muslim solicitors post)

What do they want ?

If you had stopped those 3 blokes in the van just before they went onto the bridge, and said " what would it take to stop,you doing this ?" - what would they say ? I don't know.

Walking round in an arsenal top, seemingly happy to take all the benefits of western life, but hating us at the same time.. WTF is going on.

BlueAl wrote: They hate all non Muslims ( non believers) and hate our way of life. Their stated goal is to have the Islamic flag flying in Downing st. Don't think it will ever stop now, how many more of them are there in this country prepaired to commit such attrocities and crucially how many Muslims are sympathetic to their cause.

Nope, they like to kill Muslims too.

You have to be in the Wahabi gang to be safe.

carwash wrote: London has a muslim Mayor and he has refused to condemn the extremism that abounds in mosques. Leadership should come from the top but sadly Sadiq Khan isn't up to the job.

Yeah, that nasty Mulsim terrorist apologist Sadiq Khan. Showing absolutely no leadership (stolen off a *slightly* more popular messageboard).

Having a stroll with his wife and daughters - bloody hell, never mind the lack of burqa, I can see a knee.



Having a chat with some rather fabulous chaps (and chapesses) after flying the gay pride flag outside the townhall.



After adopting policies to reinvigorate the local pub trade.

NORTHERNSOUL wrote: It might be a good start if it was true but the Lancashire Telegraph are reporting the Law Society as saying there is no such solicitor as Abdul Sattar Khan located in Rawtenstall

munchymagic wrote: It would be sad if it wasn't true as this is the sort of message you want to hear. (meant the Muslim solicitors post)

solicitors.lawsociety.org.uk/person/61703/abdul-sattar-khan

Former company A.S.K. SOLICITORS LIMITED based
Haslingden Old Road
Rossendale
Lancashire
BB4 8RR

Armo wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote: Therell be few Mosques burning tonite with a bit of luck

Boom and there Barry goes. Doing the terrorists job for them.

When will you realise, it's marginalising and isolating your average, "normal" Muslim that pushes them into the arms of the extremists?

Maybe when the " normal " Muslims start dragging the 23k potential terrorists [ identified by the British intelligence services ] into police stations and are willing to start going to court to give evidence against them

feckwittery wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote: It might be a good start if it was true but the Lancashire Telegraph are reporting the Law Society as saying there is no such solicitor as Abdul Sattar Khan located in Rawtenstall

munchymagic wrote: It would be sad if it wasn't true as this is the sort of message you want to hear. (meant the Muslim solicitors post)

solicitors.lawsociety.org.uk/person/61703/abdul-sattar-khan

Former company A.S.K. SOLICITORS LIMITED based
Haslingden Old Road
Rossendale
Lancashire
BB4 8RR

Yes but the word you failed to highlight [ so i.ve done it for you ] is former so i.ll say again what the LT said today "there is no such solicitor as Abdul Sattar Khan located in Rawtenstall"

feckwittery wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote: It might be a good start if it was true but the Lancashire Telegraph are reporting the Law Society as saying there is no such solicitor as Abdul Sattar Khan located in Rawtenstall

munchymagic wrote: It would be sad if it wasn't true as this is the sort of message you want to hear. (meant the Muslim solicitors post)

solicitors.lawsociety.org.uk/person/61703/abdul-sattar-khan

Former company A.S.K. SOLICITORS LIMITED based
Haslingden Old Road
Rossendale
Lancashire
BB4 8RR

Yes but the word you failed to highlight [ so i.ve done it for you ] is former so i.ll say again what the LT said today "there is no such solicitor as Abdul Sattar Khan located in Rawtenstall"

How many people on here are religious? How many people on here would walk into a shopping centre with a bomb on their back because God told them to? If you wouldn't why assume the entire population of Syria, Libya or Iran is willing to die tomorrow for a book of fairy stories, complete fallacy.

How many unemployed people would go and fight somewhere as mercenaries if they had zero chance of finding a job and they had a family to feed? Isis, Al Qaeda, White Helmets and these others factions are armies of mercenaries that are paid to fight. Isis infantry from Russia get $95 a month and it comes through Western Union to the families. All this bullshit about virgins and extremists, these people are paid soldiers. And if you get paid in US$s the money clears through the US so the wages could be stopped tomorrow if they wanted to- if you don't think they are acting under orders just ask yourself why Isis has never attacked Israel. To raise an army of 20000, equip them, train them, build a chain of command- the UN estimates cost a minimum of $2bn. Where did that money come from? It came from us in part, we paid for this.


As Pasty rightly said Blair started this because he thought we would get our hands on Iraqi oil. Blair was wrong. Successive PMs have continued this despite all the evidence that it achieves nothing good. We can't afford schools, we can't afford hospitals and we can't afford policemen but we can afford this. And the response of strong, stable but crap, lets crack down on the internet. Jesus Christ, will we never learn

Armo wrote:

carwash wrote: London has a muslim Mayor and he has refused to condemn the extremism that abounds in mosques. Leadership should come from the top but sadly Sadiq Khan isn't up to the job.

Yeah, that nasty Mulsim terrorist apologist Sadiq Khan. Showing absolutely no leadership (stolen off a *slightly* more popular messageboard).

Having a stroll with his wife and daughters - bloody hell, never mind the lack of burqa, I can see a knee.

Having a chat with some rather fabulous chaps (and chapesses) after flying the gay pride flag outside the townhall.

After adopting policies to reinvigorate the local pub trade.

Exactly what your pictures show is infiltration. He pretends that he wants to British and live the British lifestyle but fails very badly when it comes to putting being British in front of being Muslim by calling on his fellow Muslims to identify and hand over 23k potential Muslim terrorists already identified as hiding in this country by British Intelligence when he had the clear opportunity to do so today.

Question for you Armo Would you feel safer if those 23k terrorist suspects are hiding amongst us in British Communities or would you feel safer if they were back in the desert where they came from ? A very simple question

Theresa May, strong and stable on defending British people.

Home Secretary Theresa May has told the Police Federation to stop "crying wolf" about the impact of financial cuts.
Speaking to the federation's annual conference, she said more savings would have to be made in the next five years.
And she accused leaders of the body of "scaremongering" over the effect of cuts while crime was falling.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-32806520

Markovitch wrote: Theresa May, strong and stable on defending British people.

Home Secretary Theresa May has told the Police Federation to stop "crying wolf" about the impact of financial cuts.
Speaking to the federation's annual conference, she said more savings would have to be made in the next five years.
And she accused leaders of the body of "scaremongering" over the effect of cuts while crime was falling.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-32806520

Well just Maybe Terressa Fukking May should come to Lancashire where i.ll show her what her cuts mean until last year in Accrington we had a proper police station with CID Forensics 12 cell custody suite and full quota of riot vans and the cops to fill them the works in other words a proper police station open 24 hours a day yes it was an old building that needed money spent on it but it was a proper Police Station.

What do we have now ? a community office in a converted shop in a shopping centre manned in the main by pcso.s during daylight hours.

When asked at a community policing forum what would happen if riots were to break out again and the office be put under siege could he guarantee the safety of his employees and defend the office his answer no they couldnt and in all likelihood it would be everyone for themselves.

Now does that sound like the well resourced and funded police service that May likes to paint the picture of to you ?

Oh and just wait till you see what they have planned for Blackpool in the near future.

Of course they say crimes falling well it would be wouldnt it when nowadays if your house gets burgled and you left a window open its no longer a crime or when a scammer on line robs 20k people they record it as one crime when if hed gone out and mugged 20k people it would be 20k seperate crimes

Now they have prepared a report on terror funding and it doesn't look like it will be published. Tory donors own gun factories, sell guns to terrorists and May covers it up while people die. We sell guns to 22 of the 30 countries on the international terror watch list. Next we'll have Jeremy Hunt telling us we need to privatise the police

Home Office may not publish terrorist funding report amid claims it focuses on Saudi Arabia
Inquiry is thought to focus on Saudi Arabia, which the UK recently approved £3.5bn worth of arms export licences to

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/...rnment-a7766381.html

I don't agree with much of what you say Northernsoul but you are spot on with comments 're the police service. Cut to the bone and basically winging it. They are at a point where they have to move around the country helping to cover other forces. I know this has happened historically as well but that was for major incidents like the miners strikes or poll tax riots.

Liked a clip I saw on BBC where Mrs May was accused of telling lies about levels of policing. There are not more police, there are not more Armed police. The same number of police officers are now working longer shifts, have had all leave/days off cancelled and are now being bussed to different areas to plug gaps.

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Jumpforfun wrote: I don't agree with much of what you say Northernsoul but you are spot on with comments 're the police service. Cut to the bone and basically winging it. They are at a point where they have to move around the country helping to cover other forces. I know this has happened historically as well but that was for major incidents like the miners strikes or poll tax riots.

Liked a clip I saw on BBC where Mrs May was accused of telling lies about levels of policing. There are not more police, there are not more Armed police. The same number of police officers are now working longer shifts, have had all leave/days off cancelled and are now being bussed to different areas to plug gaps.

With respect, it's not about how many police we have. It's about Muslims/Islam inspired terrorists killing unbelievers and what are the people in charge in this country going to do about it.

Go and try and find a Christian church in Saudi, Iran or indeed the middle east. Why do we allow these Mosques? to spread all over UK. We should not allow any.I believe in one northern town there are 200 because if they make one room in a house a place of worship there is no council tax.

One of the answers lies in the book Papillon.25 year sentences on an island surrounded by sharks.

We are dealing here with the scum of the earth but never forget Mosques are preaching Allah!!

Markovitch wrote:
How many unemployed people would go and fight somewhere as mercenaries if they had zero chance of finding a job and they had a family to feed? Isis, Al Qaeda, White Helmets and these others factions are armies of mercenaries that are paid to fight. Isis infantry from Russia get $95 a month and it comes through Western Union to the families. All this bullshit about virgins and extremists, these people are paid soldiers.

Clearly, and dangerously, incorrect. It's not $95 a month that inspires people to launch a suicide attack shouting "This is for Allah".

Jesus Christ, will we never learn

The very definition of irony, invoking a "fairy" in a secular argument.

shaldon1 wrote: Go and try and find a Christian church in Saudi, Iran or indeed the middle east. Why do we allow these Mosques? to spread all over UK. We should not allow any.I believe in one northern town there are 200 because if they make one room in a house a place of worship there is no council tax.

One of the answers lies in the book Papillon.25 year sentences on an island surrounded by sharks.

We are dealing here with the scum of the earth but never forget Mosques are preaching Allah!!

Somebody mentioned the other day ,and can't remember which political party it was, that overseas funding of mosques in the UK was going to be "looked at".
All we need is planning departments in local councils to apply the same rules as for other types of planning applications.

carwash wrote: London has a muslim Mayor and he has refused to condemn the extremism that abounds in mosques. Leadership should come from the top but sadly Sadiq Khan isn't up to the job.

Come on carwash, it's part and parcel of life in the big city these days...

BlueAl wrote: A lot of support for the terrorists amongst the muslims in this country. The polls and statistics are out there on the net. They dont like us, mix with us, or respect our way of life. Very worrying, dont think its going to end well.

I live in an area with a lot of Muslim neighbours. I have heard nothing but condemnation for the attacks together with fear for the consequences for their community.

However, I have also heard some bizarre rumours, such as that there was a previous attack by white extremists on a mosque in Manchester which wasn't reported in the media. It seems that whether through shame or embarrassment, some moderate Muslims are resorting to lies to try and find a reason or justification for what is happening.

There is a cultural tendency, (perhaps it's human nature in general), to seek to blame others. The recent BBC dramatisation of the Rochdale grooming case highlighted how in the witness box the main perpetrator sought to blame British society for the circumstances which had put temptation and opportunity before him rather than take responsibility for his own behaviour. "It's never your fault" as the chant goes.

Muslim leaders do condemn the attacks. What has not happened so far, and I hope this is what Theresa May was getting at, is there hasn't been enough of a public critique of the ideology behind them.

As I posted on the Manchester thread, people such as Tim Farron are publicly held to account for holding what are deemed to be odd or 'extreme' views founded on a literal interpretation of the Bible.

The problem with Islam is, moderate Muslims are unwilling to critique the text in the same way because of the doctrine that the Qu'ran is infallible. This is the hurdle that needs to be overcome to ensure that the divide in society is between everyone else and the terrorists rather than everyone else and Muslims. And it can only be done by the Muslim community, assisted by an environment where debate and criticism of beliefs is encouraged rather than suppressed by left wingers fearful of causing offence.

I wouldn't trust the Red Cross with any of those funds. Guaranteed some of it will end up in some refugee centre. My own thoughts entirely

heilkmoon wrote:

Markovitch wrote:
How many unemployed people would go and fight somewhere as mercenaries if they had zero chance of finding a job and they had a family to feed? Isis, Al Qaeda, White Helmets and these others factions are armies of mercenaries that are paid to fight. Isis infantry from Russia get $95 a month and it comes through Western Union to the families. All this bullshit about virgins and extremists, these people are paid soldiers.

Clearly, and dangerously, incorrect. It's not $95 a month that inspires people to launch a suicide attack shouting "This is for Allah".

Jesus Christ, will we never learn

The very definition of irony, invoking a "fairy" in a secular argument.

You are right it is not $95 that inspires a suicide attack. But the $95 attracts people and puts them in an environment where they can become radicalised. ISIS has 20000 fighters, how many have carried out suicide attacks/

When Abedi flew from Britain to fight in Libya against Qaddafi do you think he did it for religious reasons or political & financial reasons? Religion has been used to justify killing people for thousands of years, nothing has changed

NORTHERNSOUL wrote: Exactly what your pictures show is infiltration. He pretends that he wants to British and live the British lifestyle but fails very badly when it comes to putting being British in front of being Muslim by calling on his fellow Muslims to identify and hand over 23k potential Muslim terrorists already identified as hiding in this country by British Intelligence when he had the clear opportunity to do so today.

Do yourself a favour and stop listening to Zach Goldsmith's bile.

NORTHERNSOUL wrote: Question for you Armo Would you feel safer if those 23k terrorist suspects are hiding amongst us in British Communities or would you feel safer if they were back in the desert where they came from ? A very simple question

And what happens when those 23k terrorist suspects go back to where they came from? How on earth do you think Rochdale and Burnley and Bradford would cope?

I would feel safer if the police had the resources to monitor effectively and arrest when necessary.

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shaldon1 wrote: Go and try and find a Christian church in Saudi, Iran or indeed the middle east. Why do we allow these Mosques? to spread all over UK. We should not allow any.I believe in one northern town there are 200 because if they make one room in a house a place of worship there is no council tax.

One of the answers lies in the book Papillon.25 year sentences on an island surrounded by sharks.

We are dealing here with the scum of the earth but never forget Mosques are preaching Allah!!

Syriac Orthodox Church:



Syriac Catholic Church:



Chaldean Catholic Church:

CCU wrote:

carwash wrote: London has a muslim Mayor and he has refused to condemn the extremism that abounds in mosques. Leadership should come from the top but sadly Sadiq Khan isn't up to the job.

Come on carwash, it's part and parcel of life in the big city these days...

“part and parcel of living in a great, global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police”

No different than Manchester, no different than Paris, no different than Berlin.

cufcaussiebranch wrote: I'm so angry right now. Who the [censored] do these people think they are?
What we're doing now, its obviously not working.
Any terror related incident should be considered treason and they should re instate capital punishment for it and it should be allowed to be retrospectively applied.
Those two pices of shit that murdered Rigby, and I hope they've doing seriously hard time, the should just be lined up and shot.
And it's not supposed to be a deterrent.

They should ban all British nationals from travelling to Syria, Libya etc. Unless they've got a damn good reason.

No don't ban em. They leave they give up their British citizenship and are exiled for life.

What a load of tosh !!

Police cuts my axxse.

Please take a close look at Cumbria Police's financial report, budgets, man power and most importantly conversion ration (offences committed v convictions). Just to ' Keep it Real' look and see how much your Council tax went up this year to pay for all this.

Out of interest Marko (as I'm sure you will look it up) divide the officer numbers by the budget to pay for them x by £55k each, then ask where the missing millions have gone !!

On Saturday three scum bags masquerading as Muslin Extremists, killed 7 innocent people, 8 minutes later they were dead, shot by a very proactive and well resourced Police Force - No other Police force in the World could have done better. Stop politicising this atrocity !! You are suffering from drowning man syndrome....

Edit: For those who cannot be bothered to look:

Cumbria Police Budgets:

2014/15 £105,664,000
2015/16 £108,513,000

So using Diane Abbot calculations, the budget has been slashed by going up by almost £3.0m !!!

Part of Muslim fundamentalism is that singing and dancing are discouraged so its not surprising that the attacks in Paris and Manchester happened at music venues. Sporting events have mainly not been targeted but that could change.

As an aside the numbers of personnel in the Army and Police have been cut. However we are going ahead with Trident, which is as of much use against Isis as a chocolate fireguard.
We need Trident because it makes the country look important like America, Russia, China and France who all have nuclear capability and are the other permanent members of the UN security council with the right of a veto.

Flatcap wrote: Part of Muslim fundamentalism is that singing and dancing are discouraged so its not surprising that the attacks in Paris and Manchester happened at music venues. Sporting events have mainly not been targeted but that could change.

As an aside the numbers of personnel in the Army and Police have been cut. However we are going ahead with Trident, which is as of much use against Isis as a chocolate fireguard.
We need Trident because it makes the country look important like America, Russia, China and France who all have nuclear capability and are the other permanent members of the UN security council with the right of a veto.

Not in Cumbria !!!!

Silentstone​ I don't know where you keep getting your false information, maybe your not reading the official figures correctly but the last report shows that Cumbria police numbers have actually fell by, so stop lying.
The number of police officers has fallen by 26 over the last year, to 1102.
The number of Police Community Support Officers (PCSOs) has fallen by almost 10%, from 93 to 84.
The number of designated officers, who are trained police staff (not police officers), has fallen by over 10%, to 28.
Police staff, who provide support to frontline police, have also been cut by almost 6%, falling by 33 to 543

People
The Constabulary recognises that its workforce is its
greatest asset and that maintaining healthy, engaged
and motivated officers and staff is critical to the
delivery of effective services.
At the 31st March 2016 the Constabulary employed
 1111 Officers
 85 PCSOs
 563 Police staff
During 2015/16 numbers of all employee groups were
maintained close to the budgeted establishment,
although PCSO recruitment was delayed in the latter
part of the year due to the financial uncertainty. It is
intended that Officer and PCSO numbers will be
maintained during 2016/17.

Oh, and by the way, my false information comes from what must be a false report competed by the Chief Constable of Cumbria police - Do you work for Diane abbot ?

Check for yourself just before you apologise for calling me a liar...:https://www.cumbria.police.uk/Information-Rights/Information-Rights-Documents/CC-Summary-Statement-of-Accounts-2015-16.pdf

thesilentone wrote: People
The Constabulary recognises that its workforce is its
greatest asset and that maintaining healthy, engaged
and motivated officers and staff is critical to the
delivery of effective services.
At the 31st March 2016 the Constabulary employed
 1111 Officers
 85 PCSOs
 563 Police staff
During 2015/16 numbers of all employee groups were
maintained close to the budgeted establishment,
although PCSO recruitment was delayed in the latter
part of the year due to the financial uncertainty. It is
intended that Officer and PCSO numbers will be
maintained during 2016/17.

Oh, and by the way, my false information comes from what must be a false report competed by the Chief Constable of Cumbria police - Do you work for Diane abbot ?

So your using data a year out of date , maybe you should look at the official government figures from which were made available in January 2017 which records data from september., you idiot

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-...es-30-september-2016

Armo wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote: Exactly what your pictures show is infiltration. He pretends that he wants to British and live the British lifestyle but fails very badly when it comes to putting being British in front of being Muslim by calling on his fellow Muslims to identify and hand over 23k potential Muslim terrorists already identified as hiding in this country by British Intelligence when he had the clear opportunity to do so today.

Do yourself a favour and stop listening to Zach Goldsmith's bile.

NORTHERNSOUL wrote: Question for you Armo Would you feel safer if those 23k terrorist suspects are hiding amongst us in British Communities or would you feel safer if they were back in the desert where they came from ? A very simple question

And what happens when those 23k terrorist suspects go back to where they came from? How on earth do you think Rochdale and Burnley and Bradford would cope?

I would feel safer if the police had the resources to monitor effectively and arrest when necessary.

Never listened to Zak Goldmith in my life why the hell would i

People like Kahn are the reason the Labour party is in the shit that its in. If they stuck to white male working class candidates in the 40.s and 50.s more of the traditional voters would come back and vote for them.

Women only lists how do they get away with that under the sex discrimination laws then ?

I Guess Rochdale and Burnley would do just fine without them at least the residents teenage daughters would be safe from Muslim grooming and rape gangs

Happyblue wrote:

thesilentone wrote: People
The Constabulary recognises that its workforce is its
greatest asset and that maintaining healthy, engaged
and motivated officers and staff is critical to the
delivery of effective services.
At the 31st March 2016 the Constabulary employed
 1111 Officers
 85 PCSOs
 563 Police staff
During 2015/16 numbers of all employee groups were
maintained close to the budgeted establishment,
although PCSO recruitment was delayed in the latter
part of the year due to the financial uncertainty. It is
intended that Officer and PCSO numbers will be
maintained during 2016/17.

Oh, and by the way, my false information comes from what must be a false report competed by the Chief Constable of Cumbria police - Do you work for Diane abbot ?

So your using data a year out of date , maybe you should look at the official government figures from which were made available in January 2017 which records data from september., you idiot

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-...es-30-september-2016

I always find it very difficult to take anyone seriously that has to resort to personal insults as they do not have the acumen to get a point over without doing so.

However, let us see if you have the guts to apologise, please read the attached (the only up to date data from Cumbria) it is self explanatory, then apologise.

www.cumbria.police.uk/NewsPCC/Commission...dget-for-201718.aspx

Edit to add: Looks like an increase in staff numbers from last year all round !!!

thesilentone wrote:

Happyblue wrote:

thesilentone wrote: People
The Constabulary recognises that its workforce is its
greatest asset and that maintaining healthy, engaged
and motivated officers and staff is critical to the
delivery of effective services.
At the 31st March 2016 the Constabulary employed
 1111 Officers
 85 PCSOs
 563 Police staff
During 2015/16 numbers of all employee groups were
maintained close to the budgeted establishment,
although PCSO recruitment was delayed in the latter
part of the year due to the financial uncertainty. It is
intended that Officer and PCSO numbers will be
maintained during 2016/17.

Oh, and by the way, my false information comes from what must be a false report competed by the Chief Constable of Cumbria police - Do you work for Diane abbot ?

So your using data a year out of date , maybe you should look at the official government figures from which were made available in January 2017 which records data from september., you idiot

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-...es-30-september-2016

I always find it very difficult to take anyone seriously that has to resort to personal insults as they do have the acumen to get a point over without doing so.

However, let us see if you have the guts to apologise, please read the attached (the only up to date data from Cumbria) it is self explanatory, then apologise.

www.cumbria.police.uk/NewsPCC/Commission...dget-for-201718.aspx

It's still means cuts in relative terms , due to inflation as inflation was at around 2% last year, if your going to share information at least take it into economic logic ., That's why we have less police officer in Cumbria FACT less police stations FACT.

Let's put into simple terms , a freddo cost 25p last year now they cost 30p , with £1 I used to be able to buy 4 , but now they have gone up to 30p , so therefore I take £1.10 I can still can't get 4 as although I have more money in practise due to increase prices my money is worth less.

As for talking about insults , aren't you a bit of a hypocrite.

No, an increase in people = increase in cost, not cuts in resources as has been banded by the Socialists.........

Sadly a massive wedge of the budget go's into Pension deficits, Golden Goodbyes, and Insurance claims created by a previous Labour Chancellor that single handedly did more damage than the rest put together.

But still, despite all that baggage, Police Officer numbers still increase !

Edited to add: In addition, the mess made over the suspension of a previous Cumbria Chief Constable cost the local Council Tax payers near on £1.0m which has been accounted for in recent balance sheets.

No they have not, I've shown you your proof that numbers have a been cut, both your links say nothing about police numbers. Ignore the facts all you want silentstone is doesn't make them any less true.
Police numbers are not higher that is a catorgoric lie.
The number of police officers has fallen by 26 over the last year, to 1102, in Cumbria so stop making things up.

I can see this is going to be pointless:

However in summary:

2015/16 Numbers = 1111 Ref: Chief Constables report (link above)
2017/18 Numbers = 1122 Ref: Crime Commissioners press release (link above)

I am not in the top 5%, however that maybe an increase of 11, however it depends if you use the Diane Abbot methodology, where it is probably a decrease.

I rest my case, you can fire as many insults as you like.

Edited to add: The figures you use are NOT policy or anything to do with budgets, they are simply a survey done at a spot in time, nothing else. Numbers will increase and decrease, they will not remain static with such a large workforce. In addition, to give you some indication how accurate or serious they are, less than half the Police forces in the UK respond to them. I should downgrade the 5% if i were you.

POLICE NUMBERS IN CUMBRIA

Session: 2016-17
Date tabled: 02.02.2026
Primary sponsor: Farron, Tim
Sponsors:
That this House regrets that a total of 69 police officers and staff have been cut from the Cumbria Police's front line in the last year; notes that this represents four per cent of the total workforce; is concerned that the number of police community support officers (PCSOs) has fallen by almost 10 per cent, from 93 to 84; recognises that the PCSOs support the work of police officers and act as a reassuring presence on the UK's streets; further notes that Cumbria Police has been left trying to cover a huge geographical area with ever fewer staff; and therefore urges the Government to reverse the cuts in police numbers.


Probably just scaremongering. We have Trident, that's a deterrent. Still the party of law and order is

Markovitch wrote: POLICE NUMBERS IN CUMBRIA

Session: 2016-17
Date tabled: 02.02.2026
Primary sponsor: Farron, Tim
Sponsors:
That this House regrets that a total of 69 police officers and staff have been cut from the Cumbria Police's front line in the last year; notes that this represents four per cent of the total workforce; is concerned that the number of police community support officers (PCSOs) has fallen by almost 10 per cent, from 93 to 84; recognises that the PCSOs support the work of police officers and act as a reassuring presence on the UK's streets; further notes that Cumbria Police has been left trying to cover a huge geographical area with ever fewer staff; and therefore urges the Government to reverse the cuts in police numbers.


Probably just scaremongering. We have Trident, that's a deterrent. Still the party of law and order is

The issue with Trident isnt what we will pay for it its getting the fukkers who will expect us to use it to protect them if there was an issue to pay their dues towards it

Really depends where you look and if you take Tim Farron's propaganda over the Cumbria Chief Officers report or the Cumbria Crime Commissioners press release ?

Or what you want to believe: fullfact.org/crime/police-numbers-back-1970s/

It appears he uses the same figures as Happyblue, these do not reflect anything but a spot in time and are contributed to by less than 50% of the Police Forces in the UK.

So, who do you believe the Chief Constable and Crime Commissioner or Tim Farron using spurious figures ?

thesilentone wrote: Really depends where you look and if you take Tim Farron's propaganda over the Cumbria Chief Officers report or the Cumbria Crime Commissioners press release ?

Or what you want to believe: fullfact.org/crime/police-numbers-back-1970s/

You've just failed completely :
fullfact.org/crime/police-officer-numbers-have-fallen/
The same exact website tells us that there has been 17000 police officers cut, across the country .

Happyblue wrote:

thesilentone wrote:

Happyblue wrote:

thesilentone wrote: People
The Constabulary recognises that its workforce is its
greatest asset and that maintaining healthy, engaged
and motivated officers and staff is critical to the
delivery of effective services.
At the 31st March 2016 the Constabulary employed
 1111 Officers
 85 PCSOs
 563 Police staff
During 2015/16 numbers of all employee groups were
maintained close to the budgeted establishment,
although PCSO recruitment was delayed in the latter
part of the year due to the financial uncertainty. It is
intended that Officer and PCSO numbers will be
maintained during 2016/17.

Oh, and by the way, my false information comes from what must be a false report competed by the Chief Constable of Cumbria police - Do you work for Diane abbot ?

So your using data a year out of date , maybe you should look at the official government figures from which were made available in January 2017 which records data from september., you idiot

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-...es-30-september-2016

I always find it very difficult to take anyone seriously that has to resort to personal insults as they do have the acumen to get a point over without doing so.

However, let us see if you have the guts to apologise, please read the attached (the only up to date data from Cumbria) it is self explanatory, then apologise.

www.cumbria.police.uk/NewsPCC/Commission...dget-for-201718.aspx

It's still means cuts in relative terms , due to inflation as inflation was at around 2% last year, if your going to share information at least take it into economic logic ., That's why we have less police officer in Cumbria FACT less police stations FACT.

Let's put into simple terms , a freddo cost 25p last year now they cost 30p , with £1 I used to be able to buy 4 , but now they have gone up to 30p , so therefore I take £1.10 I can still can't get 4 as although I have more money in practise due to increase prices my money is worth less.

As for talking about insults , aren't you a bit of a hypocrite.

If they cost 30p and you want 4 why would you take £1.10? surely youd either take £1.20 or just your original £1 and only get 3.

"You've just failed completely :
fullfact.org/crime/police-officer-numbers-have-fallen/
The same exact website tells us that there has been 17000 police officers cut, across the country "


Please, there is a saying 'if in a hole stop digging '

These figures calculate ' hours worked '.then divide by equivalent FTE.

In other words, stop all Police Officers doing overtime and replace this with FTE, which would have Zero effect on the budgets and allot of very unhappy Policemen !!!