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This has been posted in a few places, probably similar to a few folks opinion/view...

"On June 23rd, I am expected to make one of the most important decisions in my life which could affect my children and grandchildren in a way I don’t even understand yet. I am an average guy with a family, a house, and a normal lifestyle. I am sort of Joe average. Some people have asked me recently about how I’m voting, mainly because they don’t know themselves and want another view or opinion. I’ve actually been quite interested in the opportunity to vote in the referendum and I’ve done some research and a lot of thinking and I know how I’m going to vote and why.

I am however, concerned about the broadcasting from our elected government. They also know what they want and why but we, the people, need our government to provide us with a balanced view so we, the people, can make our own mind up. For that to happen, we need to understand all the good points, and all the bad points. At the moment, I can understand why some people are gripped by fear that the world will end if we leave the EU.

But will it?

Well, I see 3 main areas, which I thought about. Political, economic and immigration.

Before I go any further, I have already accepted one thing. Any change will result in good things and not so good things. I can’t think of one example, which has changed, which hasn’t created some benefits and burdens.

Let’s get the easy one’s out of the way….

Political. – As a UK citizen, I want my laws determined by the MP’s we elected as a democracy should be. Our Lords are the regulators of the decisions made in the commons and I’m good with that. What I don’t want are laws imposed on me by people who weren’t elected and are trying to find a “One size fits all” solution to many different countries who all have different tolerances, expectations and cultures.

Of all of the imposed laws from the EU, I can live without a law that stipulates that cucumbers must not have a bend in excess of 10 degrees. Some of our politicians quite fancy a career in the EU after their own political career has come to and end in the UK and this is the reason why I think some of them are so keen to stay.

Economic – This is where I see, and accept, that things will be a little worse before they get better. Let’s get one thing clear though. Big business leaders only want one thing. More sales and bigger profits. That’s not wrong, it’s their job, and what shareholders expect. Quite simply, if the companies they’re running don’t make more money every year, they lose their job.

Imagine owning the only supermarket in a town where for the past 10 years, more and more people have come to live there and for the next 10 years, more and more people will arrive. If you owned that supermarket, you’d be rubbing your hands together. Now imagine that someone said that no more houses could be built and some people had to leave. You wouldn’t want that to happen so would disagree. And that’s what the impact will be, less people spending less money is not good for business. You can’t blame them for voting for Remain, but they’re only concerned about themselves.

I’ve also thought about the impact on house prices and rent. In 2000, I remember renting a massive house while I was in between house moves. The rent was £750 per month. Since the bulk addition of several European counties in 2004, rents have consistently increased beyond the rate of inflation. This is easy to understand, more people, not the equal number of more house increases competition for housing and increased rents. Increased rents mean better profits for landlords so people start to buy houses to rent out. Competition for houses increases which increases house prices.

And we all think this is great that the house some of us bought in the 90’s is now worth 3 times what we bought it for, we’re rich! But then I think of my children who can’t afford to buy a house now and I sometimes wonder whether they ever will. I was chatting to a guy at work last week who at the age of 32 had bought his first modest house with a 30 year mortgage. He was so pleased. But that doesn’t sit with me right. I bought my house (3 bed semi) when I was 22 with a 5% deposit and 3.5 times my salary. If the average salary is £22k, £77k doesn’t buy you anything now.

It might be an unpopular thought, but I want house prices to come down so my children can buy a 3 bed semi with a 5% deposit for 3.5 times their salary. And house prices will only come down if there is less competition and more houses built. I’m afraid you can’t achieve that by staying in the EU with an unlimited amount of potential people able to live and work here.

Also, on an economic front, there are too many people telling us that our economy will fall dramatically as we’ll have to negotiate new trade agreements with all the current EU countries. And let’s not forget Obama telling us all that we’ll be at the back of the queue with a trade deal with the USA.

Firstly, we’re a bigger importer than exporter, it’s always been that way. We buy more than we sell so therefore our buying power is more important than our selling power. For sure, some UK goods might be less attractive if import taxes are imposed on them from the EU if we leave but our customer is the world.

We have some of the most prestigious brands in the world. In no particular order, the one’s which come to mind are JCB, Rolls Royce, Burberry, Hotpoint, HSBC, Barclays, Tesco etc etc. I think we can confidently go global. Why do we want the EU to negotiate on our behalf?

And now for immigration. I have no idea why we’re all afraid to even bring up the subject but it does have a big impact and affects us all personally, socially and economically.

Over the past 12 years, since our immigration started to boom, I’ve met a lot of people who have moved to the UK to live and work. In general, I find the people I’ve met to be honest, hard working people with families who intend to make the most of the opportunity of living and working in the UK.

Our service industry is better for it, with many EU migrants choosing to work in many different sectors from coffee shops, to supermarkets. We’ve benefitted from many skills including the main building trades. Many trained nurses and doctors have joined our NHS. No doubt many more have arrived who have filled a skills gap we just don’t have and we, as a society have and are benefitting.

But there’s a problem that comes with this.

As a UK citizen, my personal belief is that the UK is the most attractive country in the EU. If you create a law that says that any citizen can freely choose where in the EU they can live and work, many will naturally choose to move to what they believe will give them the best opportunity to better themselves. Nothing wrong with that, it’s completely normal behaviour.

But if that country does not invest in infrastructure and services at the same rate of population growth two things happen. Things go up in price e.g. houses. And services become overstreched e.g. Doctors, schools, hospitals, roads etc.

The other thing I have an issue with is the type of immigration we have. I am absolutely convinced that we need immigration to thrive and prosper. Not just to ensure we have the right skills but also to make our society richer.

OK, so I can have my car hand washed for £3 just about anywhere now but how many unskilled people do we really need? I don’t think we need any. We have around 2 million of them sitting at home most days looking for a job. The broader problem is that we have created a society that believes not working is a choice and if they can’t be an instant celebrity, they refuse to work for minimum wage. We could solve that problem if we really wanted to.

I also see communities within communities. There are street’s I walk down now that I used to walk down 12 years ago where I only ever hear foreign languages being spoken and European shops selling European goods to European people. That doesn’t feel like an integrated society and I don’t really like it.

I want immigration, but I want to attract people from all over the world who have skills we need and who can add value to the place I live and work. I want those people to choose to come here because they like the values we live by, and want to be part of it.

I also don’t like the laws which are imposed on us that says we have to pay all EU immigrants the same social security benefits as UK citizens when we have no control over where that money is spent. At least the 2 million people sitting at home claiming job seekers allowance are spending that money here, benefitting our own economy but I can’t get my head around how a working father from the EU can claim working families tax credits, family allowance, income support and send as much back to his family in his native country as he chooses. When the minimum wage in the UK is 10 times higher than some eastern European countries and benefits are higher, how can we allow that money to be used in another economy where the cost of living is a fraction of the UK?

Imagine being a call handler in a call centre, a pretty average job on £18k to £20k a year. Now imagine another country you could move to, to do the same job for £200k a year. It’s an opportunity not to be missed. You’d live as cheaply as possible and send every spare penny home.

There are many people who are doing just that in the UAE. But the UAE are a growing country who need and want our skills. They’ve already stated to create laws themselves to ensure emirate people are at the front of the queue for jobs and skills. And there’s no hand outs or public services, everything is private sector and when you have no work, it’s goodbye.

I completely understand why Churchill had his vision for a “United States of Europe” after world war two. When created, the common market was brilliant and has served us well over the decades. But nothing lasts forever and things change.

I don’t remember agreeing to or voting for all the things which have been imposed on me. And I certainly don’t like what’s ahead of me either.

So on balance I’m voting to leave the EU. I accept it will have an economic impact. My house may reduce in value, some people may lose their jobs, the £ may fall in value so holidays might cost a bit more.

But if my children can buy a house and pay off a mortgage within their working life, if their children can go to a school that they choose, if I can get an appointment at the doctors or hospital treatment and not sit in hours of traffic every day then I’ll be happy with that.

And in the future, when the UK is back to being the greatest country in the world that attracts the most talented people from all over the world who create the industries and brands that create job opportunities for the future generations, I can look back and feel that I did the right thing.

Anon."
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Funnily enough Silentone I have an appeal lodged currently to extend a property upwards with an extra storey. The parish council hate my application as do the neighbours but I'm hoping Honest Bob Jenrick's inspectors at the Planning Inspectorate will nod it through. Only issue is it is taking 6 months for appeals to be heard.

It is smaller companies who may decide Northern Irish customers are not worth the hassle. When we had a functioning postal service I used to buy and sell stuff on Ebay. Dealing with Jersey was always to be avoided because of customs duties. TBH I don't know if there are issues sending EBay orders to Northern Ireland but any additional hassle is too much for many people.
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Small companies were sent an email yesterday from the Department for Business basically admitting the paperwork for sending goods from the mainland to Northern Ireland was a nightmare. The solution is to set up two new telephone helplines. I suspect for many companies, dumping Northern Irish customers is the much easier option.


Why would you dump a customer or business ??

Once it's done once, that's it, after that it's load details and no more. Once the template is in place, it's done.

Their are building contracts in the UK that take a year to wade through, and more schedules than you can shake a stick at.

Have you ever worked on the Railway infrastructure, if so, you will know what a safety case is, more rules, regulations, policies, ppe, and rules than the nuclear Industry.

Better still, apply for planning to extend the house, then look at all the BS generated when you get it.

Is everyone up to date with the new septic tanks laws ? (that'll get several Googling) or applied for a exemption.

It's all just admin (which is a pain in the axxe) so, let's suck it up and get on with it.

The EU must make our life as difficult as possible, and the remoaners are playing into there hands.
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Small companies were sent an email yesterday from the Department for Business basically admitting the paperwork for sending goods from the mainland to Northern Ireland was a nightmare. The solution is to set up two new telephone helplines. I suspect for many companies, dumping Northern Irish customers is the much easier option.
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Obviously. That was the point I was making.
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I think you'll find that most of the software and financial services is not physically transported anyway, but done over the internet and by telecommunications.
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A lot of the Trans Pacific trade, outbound from the UK assuming the agreement goes through, will be high value products and services such as software and financial services rather than bulky goods.
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Air transport costs may not be as bad as initially planned, as unwanted passenger aircraft will be available for conversion at a lot cheaper rate than they were pre covid.


True.
But if you see the size of those container, tanker and merchant ships and the amount of goods they carry it is going to take a lot of planes (and fuel) to replace even just one of those.
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Air transport costs may not be as bad as initially planned, as unwanted passenger aircraft will be available for conversion at a lot cheaper rate than they were pre covid.
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Only problem being that most of them are on the other side of the world and there will be increased transport costs.
Good news regarding tariffs though.


Have to agree, the so called ' Global Economy' is all well and good, however we've got to get the gear there and back.

But, of course this applies pressure on that sector (shipping) to clean up it's act also.

We think their are allot of planes in the sky, take a look at this : https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:10.5/centery:58.3/zoom:3
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Only problem being that most of them are on the other side of the world and there will be increased transport costs.
Good news regarding tariffs though.
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Talks to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership are to take place. Yet more good news for future trade prospects:
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Likewise the AESC battery deal at Sunderland where we buy battery cells.A deal that reinforces Brexit.

In 5 years, we will be seeing the benefits of a supply chain being rebuilt in the UK
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Part of this weeks Gov.uk Brexit update.


Taken from the section on the NHS, not before time.

"A person not ordinarily resident in the UK is deemed to be an Overseas Visitor.

Providers of ‘relevant services’ (see paragraph 1.8) are required to identify overseas visitors and charge them upfront for relevant treatment where no exemption from charge applies. Charges can be recovered later where a clinician determines that treatment is urgent or immediately necessary. Commissioners are required not to use NHS funds to pay for overseas visitors that are not eligible to access relevant services for free."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/overseas-nhs-visitors-non-nhs-bodies-implementing-the-charging-regulations/guidance-for-non-nhs-bodies-on-implementing-the-nhs-overseas-visitors-charging-regulations
  1. 24-01-2021 10:38
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So far we've had fishing balls-ups, courier services suspended and kent types kicking off over a 1,000 space lorry park thrown up at the back of their gardens,

When do the good bits kick in?

It sounds like any actual gains have evaporated, and saying the good news is 10/20 years down the road is what you do when you don't have a clue when things will happen (it's what nuclear fusion scientists have been saying since 1950.)
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£23 million compensation fund for the seafood exporters. Great use of tax payers money instead of spending on schools and NHS. Stick that on the side of your Brexit bus.
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A PR stunt for the SNP. Cost the guy the fat end of £5k, to achieve what ?

Nicola was quick to condemn Celtic for their jolly in Dubai, however praised these idiots for protesting during a lock-down.
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Nice to see the drivers of yesterday’s political stunt,organised by a big SNP donor and friend of The House of Murrell, have been fined for breaching Coronavirus restructions.
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Well the work begins.Tampon tax abolished today-that will save you a few quid Crunch
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Interesting article on the isle of Man fishing rights.

Note:
The Isle of Man is not part of the Uk but is a crown dependency (along with the Channel Islands) and did not get a vote on Brexit.


https://thefishingdaily.com/latest-news/isle-of-man-chief-minister-addresses-position-of-islands-fisheries-in-brexit-deal/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-19003357
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Scottish fishing boats are landing their catch in Denmark because it’s in the EU



Nothing new, thy always have.

Maybe the English fishing in the channel can land on France and Spain, so much for the EU red tape !

Up to yesterday, they had landed about 275 tons extra compared to last year.

The Lithuanians have a trawler operating in the Channel catching per day, as much as most the Scottish boats can hold in total, the fish they catch is then being sold in Africa.

All you need to know: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-export-wild-caught-marine-fishery-products-to-the-eu-from-01-january-2021?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_source=d636d4c1-8126-4943-9491-372381263c2b&utm_content=weekly
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Brexit can only be measured as a success/failure in 10/20/50 years time.

Of course there’ll be some teething problems in all kinds of industry to begin, be something wrong if wide scale change after decades didn’t cause some kerfuffle!

It’s happened. Folk should channel their energy into embracing it now...
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Scottish fishing boats are landing their catch in Denmark because it’s in the EU
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'Teething problems' with the exporting of the fish we DO catch too!!!!
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Why are they still fishing when they are chucking it in the bin-allegedly


Because they believed all the lies !!!


....and in response are working harder, for nothing, and throwing it in the bin ? Sounds like a good move, eh !
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Why are they still fishing when they are chucking it in the bin-allegedly


Because they believed all the lies !!!
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This week's episode of the OU/BBC TV series 'Cornwall: This Fishing Life' shed a bit of light on this issue, and made good viewing to boot.
Too much like hard work for me, but there seemed to be good money to be made.
It's just a pity our work shy fops would rather live off state benefits than earn 30k a year preparing freshly caught crab for our supermarkets and fishmongers.
The Lithuanian's who were working there seemed happy enough!
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Why are they still fishing when they are chucking it in the bin-allegedly
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Before Brexit we were blaming the EU for a lot of our problems.

After Brexit a lot of us are blaming Brexit for our problems.

A funny old world
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Yep, much easier to get hold of than fresh fruit and veg, or indeed hake and mackerel.
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Try and get some fresh air, or a life.
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Germany accused of breaching EU rules by purchasing supplies of vaccine unilaterally
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Not only mackerel. Allegedly one guy based not a million miles away from BP went to pay the fine in his supercar and paid it in cash as a way of putting two fingers up to the system .
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There you go-

https://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/five-families-control-33-scottish-fishing-rights-562807


A few comments Laffy -

the article states 33 % among 5 families - not 100 %

Total Scottish fish landings in 2019 were just under 400,000 mt of which mackerel and herring, were about 40 % - a large part of which will have been caught by large company vessels - hence the 35% . 22 large Scottish vessels are active. By value about 30 % for those two species. They also fish blue whiting.

Those two species are best caught in quantity as it is a low value final market (West Africa).

The black fish scandal was the large Scottish and Irish vessels landing legally caught mackerel over the jetty to the factory during the day, and pumping underwater the over quota catch during the night.

Scotland has had the opportunity to address the quota allocation since about 2014 but u7ntil 2020 declined to do anything meaningful to support small boats in the NE and Shetland fishing mackerel by line to supply on shore processing for the higher value domestic market.
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I cannot believe we are still going on about this and on a thread on a football forum . Its happened deal with it look forward not back if you have the mindset of the negative MSM the wheel would never have been invented. Have you noticed the MSM banging on about Trump and the threat to Democracy but never once mention the hypocrites? who tried to overturn the biggest vote for anything in the UK and the demonstrators outside the house of parliament who wanted a peoples vote, if it had not been for the barriers and Police they would have got into the place . But the MSM doesn't question the MPs on this when they spout off about the USA Riots.


Other than the Lady who took Bojo to Court for proroguing Parliament, the anti-Brexit crew tried every democratic trick in the book to stop/slow/derail anything and everything that might derail the process, and lost. However, that is what democracy allows for, almost half a million marched to oppose the Hunting with Dogs Bill, what odds did it make ?. When Brian Ferry's son and few others invaded the House of Commons to protest, no one was killed, or resigned, or was banned from Twitter, in fact they all ended up in the Pub, having a laugh about the men in tights trying to kick them out. No damage, no looting, no one injured and no harm done.

The Yanks are so extreme, however in this case of El Trumpy, has touched a major nerve. I can't stand the bloke, but i fear there is allot of truth in his rants. The Yank system is broken, and needs reform.

No chance !!
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CumbrianView

Quote from the forum rules: 'Whilst this is primarily a Carlisle United FC forum, there are very few topics which are off-limits'
......and as this is a topic which will affect each and every one of us in one way or another isn't it perfectly natural for it to be discussed?

Finally, for you to compare the peaceful demonstrations in London after Brexit with what has happened in the USA is just ridiculous.
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I cannot believe we are still going on about this and on a thread on a football forum . Its happened deal with it look forward not back if you have the mindset of the negative MSM the wheel would never have been invented. Have you noticed the MSM banging on about Trump and the threat to Democracy but never once mention the hypocrites? who tried to overturn the biggest vote for anything in the UK and the demonstrators outside the house of parliament who wanted a peoples vote, if it had not been for the barriers and Police they would have got into the place . But the MSM doesn't question the MPs on this when they spout off about the USA Riots.
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So to summarise Brexiteers logic:

No holdups due to brexit: We told you so! durrr!

Holdups due to brexit: Well what did you expect? durrr!



And Laffy - when did 33% constitute owning the whole industry?


As with Covid, it's the durrr's that either don't get it, or don't want to get it.
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So to summarise Brexiteers logic:

No holdups due to brexit: We told you so! durrr!

Holdups due to brexit: Well what did you expect? durrr!



And Laffy - when did 33% constitute owning the whole industry?
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The media have been crawling over ports, fishing, anything they could to find a negative.

We are getting into a new system, this will take more than one day.

Media question to a hairy arsed trucker from Yorkshire: " Do you like the new system of actually filling in a few on-line documents "

answer: " Of course, I do, I love it, just what I always wanted "

It's like asking a Turkey if it likes Christmas.........
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I read the Scottish fishing industry is actually owned by about 5 families-a cartel.The earthquake of Brexit will shake the industry up but the fact is the quota is going up-not down.Things need time to settle down but those scanning the tea leaves looking for trouble will always find something to twine about


Mackerel and herring quotas maybe .... the rest no.
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I read the Scottish fishing industry is actually owned by about 5 families-a cartel.The earthquake of Brexit will shake the industry up but the fact is the quota is going up-not down.Things need time to settle down but those scanning the tea leaves looking for trouble will always find something to twine about
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British fisherman barred from northern waters because we're no longer part of a EU-Norway fishing deal

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1379479/brexit-news-fishing-fisheries-boris-johnson-trade-deal-norway-greenland-faroes-eu-uk


This was 2 days after the same paper got a bonk-on cos we could now ban norwegian boats from uk waters :-)

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1378783/brexit-news-fishing-uk-fishing-waters-norway-EU-ships-norway-ships-banned-uk-fishing-water






The boats are not banned .At the moment no licenses have been issued but now the split between the EU and UK for various stocks have been defined there should be no problem in signing an agreement with Norway. Don't listen to the guy from Hull.
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I share your pain

The regular delivery of frogs legs to my castle has been held up.

The reality of course is that the producers need to get the fruit into the UK at this time of year-not the other way round.We are a net importer from the EU so hard cash will resolve these teething issues
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DPD's stopping it's delivery service between uk and europe because of the massive welcome reduction in red tape and bureaucracy ;)

https://www.dpd.co.uk/email/dpd-pausing-eu-services-07012020.html

They'd already paused it due to the covid border shutdown which cause one of my kids xmas presents to get stuck



Just thank god the NHS is now feeling the first week's bonus of £350 million

Oh....
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Arn't we blessed by having to suffer a shortage of soft fruits, God bless our first world problems.
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There's a lot less bureaucracy since we've left the EU.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/fish-left-to-rot-as-post-brexit-red-tape-holds-up-exports-to-eu/ar-BB1cA00S?ocid=msedgdhp

Also the rules involved before extra staff can be authorized to administer the vaccine
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Flatcap how long do you think grapes and blueberries would last in a shipping container? Nearly all the fruit in my fridge comes from Peru, Chile, Argentina and Brazil. Probably more air miles than Judith Chalmers.


Of course highly perishable goods are flown in from distant countries
You don't get shipping containers on aircraft. I was talking about lorry transport.
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