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  3. 23-11-2020 10:59
Now the Coronavirus thread is played out and dead, maybe we can move to the next phase, the vaccine.

It is now headlining the news, and once again will turn into a fairly predictable political bun fight.

After the Pfizer announcement is was nailed on that someone else would come to the market, all predicting ' up to ' 90% effective, depending on which article you read.As no vaccine is 100% effective, we must assume it/they are good enough, or should we ?

The vaccine is a game changer, not only from the control of the virus aspect, but they also give the Governments more control on the who, what, where,when, why and how.

Will maximizing political point scoring be the game or will they just get on with it ?

Listening to Hancock this morning (who talks a load of crap) he used the words ' we hope ' to start selective vaccinating next month, with a roll out in the spring of next year.

Is this the silver bullet we all hope for, and who will refuse to be vaccinated.

If I get the chance, I'll be first in the queue.
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We keep hearing that ,although the survival rate is high the 0.8 - 1.5% suggested who die is a huge amount of people and that’s why we have imprisonments and tyranny.

So a vaccine 90% effective means 10% won’t be so still a huge number. This thing ain’t going away

I’m pro vaccine, I’ll have any, but won’t be having this YET. If I was in my 60s I would probably decide to have it.
  1. 23-11-2020 11:17
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I’ll be right behind you silentone and if Bill Gates wants to put a microchip in it as well I don’t bloody care.
  1. 23-11-2020 11:24
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We keep hearing that ,although the survival rate is high the 0.8 - 1.5% suggested who die is a huge amount of people and that’s why we have imprisonments and tyranny.

So a vaccine 90% effective means 10% won’t be so still a huge number. This thing ain’t going away

I’m pro vaccine, I’ll have any, but won’t be having this YET. If I was in my 60s I would probably decide to have it.


Yes, but surely the herd immunity issue negates that risk for the 10% ? If with herd immunity, up to 70% of the people carried anti-bodies the virus would die out, then maybe there is no need to vaccinate everyone ?

Currently we have a known 1.5m who have the virus, let us assume that it's twice that figure, so 3.0m. They (in theory) won't need vaccinated as the incidents of anyone catching it a second time are very low.
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Its all positive news with 3 announcements in quick succession, just maybe this is the time to have hope the virus can be eradicated.

Chances are good that working in a registered service now, i hopefully will get the chance to be vaccinated..it could be high on the priority list. Here is hoping.

My Hep B injection however ive had previously does not work on me, so im hoping this one does work lol
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I'm an ant-vaccer so will be giving them all a miss.
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I’ll be right behind you silentone and if Bill Gates wants to put a microchip in it as well I don’t bloody care.


Shares in McCain have skyrocketed!
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I’ll be right behind you silentone and if Bill Gates wants to put a microchip in it as well I don’t bloody care.


Shares in McCain have skyrocketed!


Got to be a improvement Mullen these hash browns I’ve got in at the minute are a bloody nightmare.
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Can't wait for all the Anti-vacs to show all their "evidence" shared by their mate Dave and Sharron on Facebook.
  1. 23-11-2020 20:56
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What's in the vaccine?
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Minnestrone Cup-A-Soup, couple shots of Brandy and an Intel Processor?
  1. 24-11-2020 12:53
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We keep hearing that ,although the survival rate is high the 0.8 - 1.5% suggested who die is a huge amount of people and that’s why we have imprisonments and tyranny.

So a vaccine 90% effective means 10% won’t be so still a huge number. This thing ain’t going away

I’m pro vaccine, I’ll have any, but won’t be having this YET. If I was in my 60s I would probably decide to have it.


I think it goes like this. If the vaccine is 90 % effective that is equal to 90% herd immunity. If with no herd immunity the R number is, say, 1.5 then there is exponential growth of the virus. Les say there are 100 people with the capacity to infect 150 others, with vaccine only 15 of those would get the virus. In turn they could infect 28 others but only 6 will get the virus etc etc Thus the virus becomes extinct.
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Anyone who has traveled in Asia and followed the advice will have had a cocktail of vaccines, One of which you have to get a booster (can't remember which one) We don't complain or question it, we just do it.

Why the bruhaha about this one ?
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Because they weren’t made within a year , didn’t have clauses implemented that meant you couldn’t sue anyone if things went wrong and went through a vigorous testing process.
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Anyone who has traveled in Asia and followed the advice will have had a cocktail of vaccines, One of which you have to get a booster (can't remember which one) We don't complain or question it, we just do it.

Why the bruhaha about this one ?


Because people are stupid
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Because they weren’t made within a year , didn’t have clauses implemented that meant you couldn’t sue anyone if things went wrong and went through a vigorous testing process.



How do you know ?

scarlet fever is a strep virus, typhoid is a salmonella virus, cornavirus is a covid virus, so what ?
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Their going to take peoples freedoms away if you dont take it, watch..
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Dont be so fecking stupid bateman


Looks like you are nominating yourself for broken record of the week award judging by your last few posts.?
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You cant handle the truth
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Is anyone actually a pharmaceutical research scientist or doctor / nurse ?
Or is it just opinion based upon google / you tube .
Asking for a Carlisle fan ?
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Can't wait for all the Anti-vacs to show all their "evidence" shared by their mate Dave and Sharron on Facebook.


Dave and Sharron at the Oxford University department of medical statistics reckon that the number of deaths from respiratory diseases which include covid are well below the 5-year average. So if according to Drs Dave and Sharron I have less chance of dying of a respiratory disease in 2020 than I did in 2019 why do I need a vaccine?

Though apparently we can now all go see granny at Christmas quite safely but if we go at New Year it will kill the old dear. Do people actually buy this shit?

From Dave and Sharron at The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, based in the Nuffield Department of Primary Care Health Sciences at the University of Oxford,

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/
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Only the people glued to bbc believe this shit. Government funded propaganda.
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They're going to trial 50,000 self-vaccination kits out in West Cumbria. Apparently the doctors are satisfied everyone there already knows how to use a needle.
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Though apparently we can now all go see granny at Christmas quite safely but if we go at New Year it will kill the old dear. Do people actually buy this shit?


I believe it is about risk. There is no additional risk to granny between Xmas and New Year (most probably she will be in bed early doors) but the rest of the population are inclined to have a jolly good new year and to hell with social distancing.
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Can't wait for all the Anti-vacs to show all their "evidence" shared by their mate Dave and Sharron on Facebook.


Dave and Sharron at the Oxford University department of medical statistics reckon that the number of deaths from respiratory diseases which include covid are well below the 5-year average. So if according to Drs Dave and Sharron I have less chance of dying of a respiratory disease in 2020 than I did in 2019 why do I need a vaccine?

Though apparently we can now all go see granny at Christmas quite safely but if we go at New Year it will kill the old dear. Do people actually buy this shit?

From Dave and Sharron at The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, based in the Nuffield Department of Primary Care Health Sciences at the University of Oxford,

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/

Really trust worth article when it has a disclaimer at the bottom saying it's not been fact checked or peer reviewed.
  1. 24-11-2020 21:42
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I tend to find it's people who can't read data properly who believe all the conspiracy theories. Causation doesn't mean causality kind of thing . Deaths by drowning in open water increase as ice lolly sales goes up kind of thing.

The article proves very little , as you,'ll find at the moment diseases from STDs to the flu are all falling because of the lockdown. The reason for it was not because we're over whelmed it's because we don't want to be overwhelmed .

The issue people will look for what they want to read , They will look deep into the internet to find somthing that agrees with them .
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Wonder how long it’ll be before ‘fake’ papers saying folk have had a vaccine appear?
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Lol at you happy blue. Calls people stupid who disagree with the mainstream narrative. Baaaaaaaa
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No vaccine, no air travel.

And to think we live in a 'free' western democracy. Heading towards North Korea by the day.

B b b but I'm just a conspiracy theorist because I have a different opinion to the bbc
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No airline can ask you if you've had a vaccine.
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No airline can ask you if you've had a vaccine.


Any airline can ask for anything, their choice, not the Governments.

"Qantas boss Alan Joyce yesterday said he would require passengers on future Qantas international services to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Previously, Alan Joyce has said he doesn’t expect Qantas to resume any significant long-haul international flying before a vaccine comes to market. Now, he’s doubling down, suggesting a no jab, no fly rule on future Qantas international flights."
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Qantas want to implement it, went down like a lead balloon.

Most are wanting a test done costing between £60 - £150 pp a time adding onto the prove of a holiday. Like I said air travel will be far more expensive.

It’ll come mainstream I think, even after a vaccine.
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Can't wait for all the Anti-vacs to show all their "evidence" shared by their mate Dave and Sharron on Facebook.


Dave and Sharron at the Oxford University department of medical statistics reckon that the number of deaths from respiratory diseases which include covid are well below the 5-year average. So if according to Drs Dave and Sharron I have less chance of dying of a respiratory disease in 2020 than I did in 2019 why do I need a vaccine?

Though apparently we can now all go see granny at Christmas quite safely but if we go at New Year it will kill the old dear. Do people actually buy this shit?

From Dave and Sharron at The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, based in the Nuffield Department of Primary Care Health Sciences at the University of Oxford,

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/



The Centre for Non-Peer Reviewed Medicine has already been outed as an academic cover for right-wing survival of the fittest nutters

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/09/23/scamademics-right-wing-lobbying-groups-reviving-herd-immunity-in-the-uk/
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Can't wait for all the Anti-vacs to show all their "evidence" shared by their mate Dave and Sharron on Facebook.


Dave and Sharron at the Oxford University department of medical statistics reckon that the number of deaths from respiratory diseases which include covid are well below the 5-year average. So if according to Drs Dave and Sharron I have less chance of dying of a respiratory disease in 2020 than I did in 2019 why do I need a vaccine?

Though apparently we can now all go see granny at Christmas quite safely but if we go at New Year it will kill the old dear. Do people actually buy this shit?

From Dave and Sharron at The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, based in the Nuffield Department of Primary Care Health Sciences at the University of Oxford,

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/



The Centre for Non-Peer Reviewed Medicine has already been outed as an academic cover for right-wing survival of the fittest nutters

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/09/23/scamademics-right-wing-lobbying-groups-reviving-herd-immunity-in-the-uk/



Strange thing is, they never slate each other. When that eccentric old nut job was wheeled out onto just about every news programme telling us we'd all have CJD in 8 years time, back in the 80's or 90's, not many of his peers said he was wrong. It cost the lives of over 4 million cattle and ban on UK beef exports, in some cases until recently.

He reacond, by now over half a million of us would be dead or dying.

But, like all things, Politics rules the day.
  1. 25-11-2020 14:21
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Can't wait for all the Anti-vacs to show all their "evidence" shared by their mate Dave and Sharron on Facebook.


Dave and Sharron at the Oxford University department of medical statistics reckon that the number of deaths from respiratory diseases which include covid are well below the 5-year average. So if according to Drs Dave and Sharron I have less chance of dying of a respiratory disease in 2020 than I did in 2019 why do I need a vaccine?

Though apparently we can now all go see granny at Christmas quite safely but if we go at New Year it will kill the old dear. Do people actually buy this shit?

From Dave and Sharron at The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, based in the Nuffield Department of Primary Care Health Sciences at the University of Oxford,

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/



The Centre for Non-Peer Reviewed Medicine has already been outed as an academic cover for right-wing survival of the fittest nutters

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/09/23/scamademics-right-wing-lobbying-groups-reviving-herd-immunity-in-the-uk/



Strange thing is, they never slate each other. When that eccentric old nut job was wheeled out onto just about every news programme telling us we'd all have CJD in 8 years time, back in the 80's or 90's, not many of his peers said he was wrong. It cost the lives of over 4 million cattle and ban on UK beef exports, in some cases until recently.

He reacond, by now over half a million of us would be dead or dying.

But, like all things, Politics rules the day.



The onus, as I keep saying to Mullen etc, isn't for others to prove you're wrong, but for you to prove you're right

Otherwise it's a full time job of trying to disprove utter shit.

The guy with the CJD prediction was quoted from the high end of a big range of figures, now narrowed down, but saying loads or people aren't going to die isn't as exciting to the tabloids
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/is-the-bse-crisis-over
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Can't wait for all the Anti-vacs to show all their "evidence" shared by their mate Dave and Sharron on Facebook.


Dave and Sharron at the Oxford University department of medical statistics reckon that the number of deaths from respiratory diseases which include covid are well below the 5-year average. So if according to Drs Dave and Sharron I have less chance of dying of a respiratory disease in 2020 than I did in 2019 why do I need a vaccine?

Though apparently we can now all go see granny at Christmas quite safely but if we go at New Year it will kill the old dear. Do people actually buy this shit?

From Dave and Sharron at The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, based in the Nuffield Department of Primary Care Health Sciences at the University of Oxford,

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/



The Centre for Non-Peer Reviewed Medicine has already been outed as an academic cover for right-wing survival of the fittest nutters

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/09/23/scamademics-right-wing-lobbying-groups-reviving-herd-immunity-in-the-uk/


It's an interesting article, but flawed.
1) It says the data is not peer reviewed, not true, it comes from the ONS which peer reviews it's data.
2) Stamford University have peer reviewed an academic study showing exactly what we see here, the daily mail of all people published it.
3) The article criticises 3 doctors but only 1 of them was featured in the ONS data article
4) Stephen Griffith, who is head of an industry funded body and has a financial interest in promoting vaccines, presents no evidence of his own, peer reviewed or otherwise
5) Go down 2 articles and the article entitled Government Consultants Appear to Falsify Death Toll tells you the Government numbers are mince
6) Someone started going on about causal effects yesterday. I didn't get that at all. The claim now is that strokes, are caused by covid? So deaths from respiratory illness such as covid, are below average because covid causes serious heart conditions and that gets people first? No, it simply doesn't, in the same way that it doesn't cause suicide which is now rising sharply


We were told the lock down was necessary to save the NHS from being overrun. By April, we had the lowest hospital bed occupancy this century. So why are we continuing? And if lockdowns work, why do we need another?

We should be back watching bloody football

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8843927/Just-0-05-healthy-70s-Covid-19-die-disease-study-claims.html
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Can't wait for all the Anti-vacs to show all their "evidence" shared by their mate Dave and Sharron on Facebook.


Dave and Sharron at the Oxford University department of medical statistics reckon that the number of deaths from respiratory diseases which include covid are well below the 5-year average. So if according to Drs Dave and Sharron I have less chance of dying of a respiratory disease in 2020 than I did in 2019 why do I need a vaccine?

Though apparently we can now all go see granny at Christmas quite safely but if we go at New Year it will kill the old dear. Do people actually buy this shit?

From Dave and Sharron at The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, based in the Nuffield Department of Primary Care Health Sciences at the University of Oxford,

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/



The Centre for Non-Peer Reviewed Medicine has already been outed as an academic cover for right-wing survival of the fittest nutters

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/09/23/scamademics-right-wing-lobbying-groups-reviving-herd-immunity-in-the-uk/


It's an interesting article, but flawed.
1) It says the data is not peer reviewed, not true, it comes from the ONS which peer reviews it's data.
2) Stamford University have peer reviewed an academic study showing exactly what we see here, the daily mail of all people published it.
3) The article criticises 3 doctors but only 1 of them was featured in the ONS data article
4) Stephen Griffith, who is head of an industry funded body and has a financial interest in promoting vaccines, presents no evidence of his own, peer reviewed or otherwise
5) Go down 2 articles and the article entitled Government Consultants Appear to Falsify Death Toll tells you the Government numbers are mince
6) Someone started going on about causal effects yesterday. I didn't get that at all. The claim now is that strokes, are caused by covid? So deaths from respiratory illness such as covid, are below average because covid causes serious heart conditions and that gets people first? No, it simply doesn't, in the same way that it doesn't cause suicide which is now rising sharply


We were told the lock down was necessary to save the NHS from being overrun. By April, we had the lowest hospital bed occupancy this century. So why are we continuing? And if lockdowns work, why do we need another?

We should be back watching bloody football

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8843927/Just-0-05-healthy-70s-Covid-19-die-disease-study-claims.html

.....the article you shared says it's not peer reviewed , learn to read.
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Lol at you happy blue. Calls people stupid who disagree with the mainstream narrative. Baaaaaaaa


You're not very bright are you , you have no actually argument just the paranoid rambling of a mad man .
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Jeffbatteman , you keep saying "opinion" about a factual matter, they are different . Here are some examples:
Opinion :
"Apples are better than pears "
Fact :
"We need oxygen to survive"

You can have any opinion you want but if it's factually wrong and you disagree even though you are proved wrong that makes you an Idiot.

Don't get me wrong I like to question Everything. You're clearly not a well man .
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We keep hearing that ,although the survival rate is high the 0.8 - 1.5% suggested who die is a huge amount of people and that’s why we have imprisonments and tyranny.

So a vaccine 90% effective means 10% won’t be so still a huge number. This thing ain’t going away

I’m pro vaccine, I’ll have any, but won’t be having this YET. If I was in my 60s I would probably decide to have it.


Yes, but surely the herd immunity issue negates that risk for the 10% ? If with herd immunity, up to 70% of the people carried anti-bodies the virus would die out, then maybe there is no need to vaccinate everyone ?

Currently we have a known 1.5m who have the virus, let us assume that it's twice that figure, so 3.0m. They (in theory) won't need vaccinated as the incidents of anyone catching it a second time are very low.


Antibodies are a last line of defence. Most people who have immunity don't have an antibody reaction. T cells and B cells rule the school, well until this year anyway.
Glad to see so many wanting to jump the queue, probs won't end up mandatory!
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I tend to find it's people who can't read data properly who believe all the conspiracy theories. Causation doesn't mean causality kind of thing . Deaths by drowning in open water increase as ice lolly sales goes up kind of thing.

The article proves very little , as you,'ll find at the moment diseases from STDs to the flu are all falling because of the lockdown. The reason for it was not because we're over whelmed it's because we don't want to be overwhelmed .

The issue people will look for what they want to read , They will look deep into the internet to find somthing that agrees with them .


Ses him who says 97% of the world's scientists agree with man made climate change.
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Jeffbatteman , you keep saying "opinion" about a factual matter, they are different . Here are some examples:
Opinion :
"Apples are better than pears "
Fact :
"We need oxygen to survive"

You can have any opinion you want but if it's factually wrong and you disagree even though you are proved wrong that makes you an Idiot.

Don't get me wrong I like to question Everything. You're clearly not a well man .


Has that been pear checked?
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Can't wait for all the Anti-vacs to show all their "evidence" shared by their mate Dave and Sharron on Facebook.


Dave and Sharron at the Oxford University department of medical statistics reckon that the number of deaths from respiratory diseases which include covid are well below the 5-year average. So if according to Drs Dave and Sharron I have less chance of dying of a respiratory disease in 2020 than I did in 2019 why do I need a vaccine?

Though apparently we can now all go see granny at Christmas quite safely but if we go at New Year it will kill the old dear. Do people actually buy this shit?

From Dave and Sharron at The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, based in the Nuffield Department of Primary Care Health Sciences at the University of Oxford,

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/



The Centre for Non-Peer Reviewed Medicine has already been outed as an academic cover for right-wing survival of the fittest nutters

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/09/23/scamademics-right-wing-lobbying-groups-reviving-herd-immunity-in-the-uk/


It's an interesting article, but flawed.
1) It says the data is not peer reviewed, not true, it comes from the ONS which peer reviews it's data.



The data they use may be official / peer reviewed, but the conclusions they then draw from it haven't been, that's the important bit
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If people want to have the vaccine, have the vaccine.
If people don’t want the vaccine, don’t have it.

Problems will come if it becomes a condition of entry/travel.
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Why would making it a condition of entry make it problematic? Every country has the right to determine who it allows in. If you don't want to take the vaccine and a country makes it a condition of entry, there isn't a thing anybody can do about it - except suck it up and take a vaccine. Of course, if that country is heavily dependent on tourism for its economy and sees visitors heading to other countries without restrictions, things could change very quickly. I certainly can't see east and SE Asia opening up for non-vaccinated visitors any time soon.
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Having the vaccine is about keeping it under control something you can't do if everyone doesn't have it.
Look how that's working right now with on and off lockdowns. The vaccine is the only hope of getting back to some sort of normal life.
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I'll definitely be putting my name down for it
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Can't wait for all the Anti-vacs to show all their "evidence" shared by their mate Dave and Sharron on Facebook.


Dave and Sharron at the Oxford University department of medical statistics reckon that the number of deaths from respiratory diseases which include covid are well below the 5-year average. So if according to Drs Dave and Sharron I have less chance of dying of a respiratory disease in 2020 than I did in 2019 why do I need a vaccine?

Though apparently we can now all go see granny at Christmas quite safely but if we go at New Year it will kill the old dear. Do people actually buy this shit?

From Dave and Sharron at The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, based in the Nuffield Department of Primary Care Health Sciences at the University of Oxford,

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/



The Centre for Non-Peer Reviewed Medicine has already been outed as an academic cover for right-wing survival of the fittest nutters

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/09/23/scamademics-right-wing-lobbying-groups-reviving-herd-immunity-in-the-uk/


It's an interesting article, but flawed.
1) It says the data is not peer reviewed, not true, it comes from the ONS which peer reviews it's data.



The data they use may be official / peer reviewed, but the conclusions they then draw from it haven't been, that's the important bit


They are not drawing any conclusions. Last year 1000 people died, this year 900. Its gone down is hardly a contentious observation or one open to much interpretation!

If people want to [censored] around and sit home , your choice, do what your conscience tells you. Oxford University, Stanford University, the WHO are all telling me I'm no danger to anyone, and they are no danger to me, so I intend to be at the footie.
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I think many are doing what they want anyway, which is fine, thier choice. Just don't try and clear you're concience by trying to convince everyone else thier a bunch of mugs for following the regulations.
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If you live in Scotland the special police will be waiting for on the way back Marko . And rightly so as wee Nic has spoken
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