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Now the GE is done and dusted, and with MP’s returning to Parliament today to begin being sworn in, we’ve locked the GE Thread last night, and you can now use this one for any Westminster related stuff.

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  1. 05-01-2021 16:16
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Yup-I think commonsense will prevail here.We need their market to sell the fish and don’t have enough boats anyway.Whg don’t they just call it a European fleet, hand out licences/quotas, and we retain ownership of the water?
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No real surprises there, just the French being the French. Excellent time for Brexit, they sell more to us than we sell to them. All we need is a strong leader will balls......
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Article in Telegraph notes that the difference in the the two camps on fishing is less than the cost of Paul Pogba-all down to the French.

There is no unity in the EU in a crisis-it’s every man for himself
  1. 23-12-2020 07:35
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1375345/Brexit-news-latest-fishing-lord-frost-quota-barnier-eu-news-brussels-trade-talks-deal

We need a deal and any deals better than no deal right now. Problem is it looks like a complete sell out and not really a Brexit at all.
  1. 22-12-2020 23:40
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Several Brexit party ex MEPs seem to think a deals been made tonight. A really bad one, especially for fish, in exchange for reopening the borders.
  1. 22-12-2020 23:32
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Wee nippy broke the rules - Nicola Sturgeon 'broke Covid rules at funeral' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55419564

She’s not exempt - so since she went on and on about Cummings maybe she should lead by example and resign.
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This one is for you Richard

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2020/12/sweden-s-covid-19-failures-have-exposed-myths-lockdown-sceptics


We will never know what would have happened here - well maybe we are now with the high cases.

Cases have increased now, as they will with more testing, but deaths are on average.
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Go on Boris good lad, do what you bloody well like pal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55414981
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ORFC am I not saying this right? If there is someone in the Lauriston eye hospital who tests positive for covid, that person is included in the daily figures as someone in hospital with covid. So when Sturgeon says, we have 1032 people in hospital with covid that person is included. I don't know how many people are admitted to hospital because they have covid but what would be a reasonable number, 25%? So Scotland has approximately 250 people in hospital because of covid. From a population of 5.5m.

According to Scottish government’s Coronavirus (COVID-19) definitions, the number of patients in hospital with suspected COVID-19 “may include people who are in hospital for other reasons but have previously tested positive for COVID-19.” While a count of new admissions to hospital only includes those who “tested positive for COVID-19 in the 14 days prior to admission to hospital, on the day of their admission, or during their stay in hospital”, no equivalent cutoff appears to be made for this count of individuals currently in hospital.

And as you see if you test positive for covid in hospital you are in hospital with covid for the duration of your stay

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/is-scotland-overcounting-the-number-of-patients-in-hospital-beds/


Not Heneghans Centre For Right-Wing Funded Medicine, he's been quiet since he piped up there was no second wave happening back in October :-)

No, if you test positive for covid before a planned procedure at the eye pavilion / dental school they tell you to not come in / piss off home. I had to get my temperature taken to get into the dentist's last week.
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Laffy.

I haven't seen a 'recent poll', however those that I know well who voted leave would never be prepared to lose face by admitting they were wrong even if it turns out that they were.
I hope for myself and more importantly my kids they turn out to be correct, in which case I will admit I was wrong and misled.


I’d have voted leave every time but if there was a vote tomorrow I’d vote remain as Brexit now is suicide.

Four years ago we should have left with a no deal, short term pain, but we were in a decent position and could of gotten a decent deal with the US and probably the EU at a later date.

Now it’ll be a disaster, economy/jobs tanking. No friends at all, not even US now.

We should try for an extension, not sure we’d get one.
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ORFC am I not saying this right? If there is someone in the Lauriston eye hospital who tests positive for covid, that person is included in the daily figures as someone in hospital with covid. So when Sturgeon says, we have 1032 people in hospital with covid that person is included. I don't know how many people are admitted to hospital because they have covid but what would be a reasonable number, 25%? So Scotland has approximately 250 people in hospital because of covid. From a population of 5.5m.

According to Scottish government’s Coronavirus (COVID-19) definitions, the number of patients in hospital with suspected COVID-19 “may include people who are in hospital for other reasons but have previously tested positive for COVID-19.” While a count of new admissions to hospital only includes those who “tested positive for COVID-19 in the 14 days prior to admission to hospital, on the day of their admission, or during their stay in hospital”, no equivalent cutoff appears to be made for this count of individuals currently in hospital.

And as you see if you test positive for covid in hospital you are in hospital with covid for the duration of your stay

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/is-scotland-overcounting-the-number-of-patients-in-hospital-beds/
  1. 22-12-2020 17:56
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Highly unlikely Bojo will do a deal, however it will happen in January.

Good deal or no deal, anything other and he's a gonner.
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Laffy.

I haven't seen a 'recent poll', however those that I know well who voted leave would never be prepared to lose face by admitting they were wrong even if it turns out that they were.
I hope for myself and more importantly my kids they turn out to be correct, in which case I will admit I was wrong and misled.
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Wouldn’t say Sweden is having a major issue at all - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Sweden

Brexit: we need a deal, on yesterday’s briefing Boris said they was only 100ish lorries yet there were hundreds and still are. Still no solution today.

I expect Boris may be tempted to take a shit deal in the coming days due to our dire situation - pleasing no one long term.
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Topstep

A recent poll suggests if we had the Brexit vote again, we would get the same result.As always, it’s those who lost who make the most noise.

Anyway, it’s about to happen so prepare yourself.

We have become the unclean in Europe-probably because we have the best scientists looking for mutants.I doubt the French or Italians even thought about looking.Meanwhile, the ‘foresight’ of Sweden in doing nothing is reaping nothing more than a major pandemic.
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I am now just starting to really understand what living under a dictatorship is like.

All laws, rules and regulations now seem to be made by our Supreme Leader and his inner circle with parliament's only purpose being to rubber stamp those decisions.
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With around 2% of people that catch the virus dieing and the rest recovering, is it not time to revert to normal. The vulnerable can shield and the rest of us lose the face nappies, open everything back up and try and save what's left of the economy.


Classic, this is NOT all about people dying, it's about ensuring we have the services to deal with those infected, and not over-running the NHS.

I do wish people would get this into their heads and stop harping on about the number of deaths.


We have more free hospital beds than 2 years ago.

Scotland has, currently, 1032 people in hospital who have tested positive for covid. We have 279 hospitals, so about 3.5 people per hospital. The 1032 is everyone in hospital who has tested positive, so it includes pregnant women, mental patients etc. Assuming the pattern across the population is repeated therefore (my guess) we have put a country of 5m people on lock down for about 100 people. That number can increase 2700% before we need 1 extra bed.

But what better way to hide the 30-mile lorry queues in Kent or turn a county boundary into a national boundary than more covid crap?


279 hospitals?
There's not a full size hospital per 20,000 people in Scotland. That would mean 25 hospitals in Edinburgh which is served by 2 (RIE, western general). You might get that total by adding in psychiatric centres, dental schools, and private hospitals but they won't be treating covid patients.


I'm not sure what you are trying to say. A pregnant woman who goes into hospital to have her baby, if she tests positive, she is a patient in hospital with covid for the purposes of the stats. So if you include the patient, why not include the hospital?


The ons stats are very clear. Lock down has cut the number of deaths from respiratory disease. But it has increased the number of deaths from other causes, by up to 10 times more. If overall health of the population is the aim we need to stop the lock down.

All 4 of the national government's are inflating the numbers to drive political agendas. Test positive, die in a car crash, covid death. Long term psych patient, test positive, you are in hospital with covid.

The risk from this virus in no way justifies the response


What I'm saying is your claim of only 3 people with covid per hospital in Scotland is meaningless because you're counting places in Edinburgh like the Lauriston Eye Pavilion and the Chalmers STD clinic next door to it as hospitals. You might as well count covid patients per post office.
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With around 2% of people that catch the virus dieing and the rest recovering, is it not time to revert to normal. The vulnerable can shield and the rest of us lose the face nappies, open everything back up and try and save what's left of the economy.


Classic, this is NOT all about people dying, it's about ensuring we have the services to deal with those infected, and not over-running the NHS.

I do wish people would get this into their heads and stop harping on about the number of deaths.


We have more free hospital beds than 2 years ago.

Scotland has, currently, 1032 people in hospital who have tested positive for covid. We have 279 hospitals, so about 3.5 people per hospital. The 1032 is everyone in hospital who has tested positive, so it includes pregnant women, mental patients etc. Assuming the pattern across the population is repeated therefore (my guess) we have put a country of 5m people on lock down for about 100 people. That number can increase 2700% before we need 1 extra bed.

But what better way to hide the 30-mile lorry queues in Kent or turn a county boundary into a national boundary than more covid crap?


279 hospitals?
There's not a full size hospital per 20,000 people in Scotland. That would mean 25 hospitals in Edinburgh which is served by 2 (RIE, western general). You might get that total by adding in psychiatric centres, dental schools, and private hospitals but they won't be treating covid patients.


I'm not sure what you are trying to say. A pregnant woman who goes into hospital to have her baby, if she tests positive, she is a patient in hospital with covid for the purposes of the stats. So if you include the patient, why not include the hospital?


The ons stats are very clear. Lock down has cut the number of deaths from respiratory disease. But it has increased the number of deaths from other causes, by up to 10 times more. If overall health of the population is the aim we need to stop the lock down.

All 4 of the national government's are inflating the numbers to drive political agendas. Test positive, die in a car crash, covid death. Long term psych patient, test positive, you are in hospital with covid.

The risk from this virus in no way justifies the response
  1. 22-12-2020 07:30
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What is happening regarding travel in and out of the UK at present is a taster of what may well happen whether we get a deal or not on January 1st.
We have become the neighbours from hell as far as Europe is concerned and I can't see us receiving much help or sympathy when any sort of s*** hits the fan in the future.
I just think thank the Lord we have secured those trade deals with the likes of Japan and Singapore.
Funny how quiet the 52% have been recently - still waiting for that oven ready deal to defrost maybe.
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48 hour freight ban is nothing to do with Covid and all to do with Brexit. A last ditch attempt from the EU for us to accept a deal.

We won’t, it’s going to huge short term pain however and we should have left 4 years ago. But what will be will be.
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I've just been chatting with my nephew in Sydney. He made the comment "What I like and I've noticed about the Australian Govt is, if something needs doing, they just get on and do it". What do we do? We worry about who the necessary action will upset, then we dither about a bit, then about half of the necessary action is carried out. then we wait for all the bleating to start and wait for the u-turn. This is great Britain! I'm no fan Of Johnson, I think he's a total feckin idiot but, If you seriously think anyone else would have done any different(Note I didn't say Better) you're only fooling yourselves. Whatever our government had of chosen to do would have been picked at and crticised by the opposition and the media. It might have been better if we'd had some sort of coalition government, they would have had no choice but to work together and take any blame together. As it is, we have a society that can't abide by rules that are put in place, and celebrities/govt advisors, social media, keyboard virologists making the issue worse. The govt have to take the blame for introducing such wishy washy and vague rules in the first place but then the plebs start interpreting the rules to suit themselves. The press and opposition are screaming for lockdowns, then when they've got it, they start their feckin whining as to how we need a plan to come out of it? Like I say......this is great Britain and it's fecked!!

Merry feckin Christmas yer filthy animals......


Completely agree BP.
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With around 2% of people that catch the virus dieing and the rest recovering, is it not time to revert to normal. The vulnerable can shield and the rest of us lose the face nappies, open everything back up and try and save what's left of the economy.


Classic, this is NOT all about people dying, it's about ensuring we have the services to deal with those infected, and not over-running the NHS.

I do wish people would get this into their heads and stop harping on about the number of deaths.


We have more free hospital beds than 2 years ago.

Scotland has, currently, 1032 people in hospital who have tested positive for covid. We have 279 hospitals, so about 3.5 people per hospital. The 1032 is everyone in hospital who has tested positive, so it includes pregnant women, mental patients etc. Assuming the pattern across the population is repeated therefore (my guess) we have put a country of 5m people on lock down for about 100 people. That number can increase 2700% before we need 1 extra bed.

But what better way to hide the 30-mile lorry queues in Kent or turn a county boundary into a national boundary than more covid crap?


279 hospitals?
There's not a full size hospital per 20,000 people in Scotland. That would mean 25 hospitals in Edinburgh which is served by 2 (RIE, western general). You might get that total by adding in psychiatric centres, dental schools, and private hospitals but they won't be treating covid patients.
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With around 2% of people that catch the virus dieing and the rest recovering, is it not time to revert to normal. The vulnerable can shield and the rest of us lose the face nappies, open everything back up and try and save what's left of the economy.


Classic, this is NOT all about people dying, it's about ensuring we have the services to deal with those infected, and not over-running the NHS.

I do wish people would get this into their heads and stop harping on about the number of deaths.


We have more free hospital beds than 2 years ago.

Scotland has, currently, 1032 people in hospital who have tested positive for covid. We have 279 hospitals, so about 3.5 people per hospital. The 1032 is everyone in hospital who has tested positive, so it includes pregnant women, mental patients etc. Assuming the pattern across the population is repeated therefore (my guess) we have put a country of 5m people on lock down for about 100 people. That number can increase 2700% before we need 1 extra bed.

But what better way to hide the 30-mile lorry queues in Kent or turn a county boundary into a national boundary than more covid crap?
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We're an island and it should have been easier to contain the virus by just banning flights / ships from dodgy sources, but the govt kept saying that wouldn't work


However, now other countries are finding its quite easy to stop transmission from a dodgy source due to the fact we're an island and banning flights etc

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-20/netherlands-bans-uk-flights-for-rest-of-year-to-fend-off-new-mutant-covid-19-variant





It's what should have been done in March, no doubt about it but they kept on coming! But, can you imagine the "noise" that there would have been if we'd shut airports and pulled up the drawbridge to everything but essentials? It would have been unbearable....and that's why that mistake was made, it would have "upset" too many people...imagine if you couldn't go on holiday? heaven forbid......or that business meeting you'd have to miss? ZOOM!!!
I mentioned my Nephew in Aus earlier, he wanted to come home for a close relatives funeral but wasn't allowed out. He applied twice but refused both times, I think he would possibly have been refused re-entry on his return so.....that didn't happen. I re-iterate his comment about Aussie authorities/Govt, they make the decisions that are needed and act on them, some will be upset by this, tough, it's for the greater good in the end.
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And yet you don’t mention Stephen Kinnock, Margaret Ferrier, Ian Blackford, Tahit Ali.
Why’s that then?


Because they're not part of the government that made the rules?
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Oh right. Because they’ve had ‘action’ or resigned, that makes it all right then.

Of course it doesn't make it right.

But it does send a different message than the message the Tory Government is sending out - rules for thee but not for me.

It sends the message that actions have consequences. It sends the message that if you break the restrictions, you'll be punished.
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We're an island and it should have been easier to contain the virus by just banning flights / ships from dodgy sources, but the govt kept saying that wouldn't work


However, now other countries are finding its quite easy to stop transmission from a dodgy source due to the fact we're an island and banning flights etc

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-20/netherlands-bans-uk-flights-for-rest-of-year-to-fend-off-new-mutant-covid-19-variant
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Oh right. Because they’ve had ‘action’ or resigned, that makes it all right then.
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And yet you don’t mention Stephen Kinnock, Margaret Ferrier, Ian Blackford, Tahit Ali.
Why’s that then?


I didn't mention Stephen Kinnock, like I didn't mention Robert Jenrick - they both claimed they where travelling to drop off food. Both bullshit excuses but equivalent.

Margaret Ferrier, as far as i'm aware, was suspended by the SNP. Her constituency party asked her to stand down. I believe the SNP did all they could and it's now in the hands of the police. Unless your aware of something i'm not, i'd call that decisive action.

Ian Blackford mistakenly thought a photographer was from England and shamed him for being in Scotland? Is that what your talking about? He was wrong, he apologised. Unless your talking about something else, I don't see the equivalence.

Tahit Ali was wrong. He resigned. He did the honourable thing and took responsibility for his actions.

So, no, I didn't mention them because they paid for their actions.
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With around 2% of people that catch the virus dieing and the rest recovering, is it not time to revert to normal. The vulnerable can shield and the rest of us lose the face nappies, open everything back up and try and save what's left of the economy.


Classic, this is NOT all about people dying, it's about ensuring we have the services to deal with those infected, and not over-running the NHS.

I do wish people would get this into their heads and stop harping on about the number of deaths.
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And yet you don’t mention Stephen Kinnock, Margaret Ferrier, Ian Blackford, Tahit Ali.
Why’s that then?
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This is what I dislike about Britain-get behind the team lads as there is no other option.Ask yourself what you would do?

Richard-the stats in the new virus only came to light on Friday.Not September!!Im sure new viruses occur everyday but you don’t call a lockdown because of it.


They knew there was a new variant and that the infection rates in the same area where through the roof a week before that - Matt Hancock said that himself this morning.

It was proved to be the cause on Friday.

The BMJ and HSJ for only the second time ever did a joint editorial saying the Christmas plans where stupid.

Boris ignored, the sky rocketing infection rate, ignored the BMJ, ignored the HSJ, took the piss out of Stammer for suggesting he should do what he ended up doing.

Maybe, if you want people to "get behind the team" then Boris shouldn't of dealt with Cummings like he did? Maybe, Boris should do something about his Dad, who I believe was caught for the fourth time not wearing a face mask (after previously breaking the rules to holiday in Greece by entering via Bulgaria) last week? Maybe, if you want people to "get behind the team", something should of happened to Tobias Ellwood for going to a Christmas Party?

Or maybe, a little closer to home, if you want other people to "get behind the team", you shouldn't have been going on your own jolly little bike rides in breach of restrictions?
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Boris and his mates haven’t been great to put it mildly but they aren’t spreading the virus.

Too many of the general public are just doing whatever they want. They might think they’re clever but what they don’t realise it’s just prolonging the agony.



You're last sentence sums it up perfectly....and this applies to all the keyboard virologists, conspiracy theorists, gutter press(which is pretty much them all) and the whining opposition......Bojo and his cronies are damned if they do and damned if they don't, and we're stuck with them for sometime to come. Interestingly, after the "no money left" comments some years ago........How do Labour fancy dealing with the new debt if they get in next time? That'll be interesting when people like Burnham are screaming for Bojo to spend more....
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With around 2% of people that catch the virus dieing and the rest recovering, is it not time to revert to normal. The vulnerable can shield and the rest of us lose the face nappies, open everything back up and try and save what's left of the economy.
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Yes-Boris is a liberal at heart.We know that because he has at least tried to keep the country open and running where possible.He’s now getting criticised for doing so-when we all know he isn’t spreading the virus.

Look at the photos in the paper-level 2 appears to be a virus free zone where you can drink, shag, do whatever you want!
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Boris and his mates haven’t been great to put it mildly but they aren’t spreading the virus.

Too many of the general public are just doing whatever they want. They might think they’re clever but what they don’t realise it’s just prolonging the agony.
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I have to agree with you-the chat at outset was to have a coalition but it’s too tempting to score points
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I've just been chatting with my nephew in Sydney. He made the comment "What I like and I've noticed about the Australian Govt is, if something needs doing, they just get on and do it". What do we do? We worry about who the necessary action will upset, then we dither about a bit, then about half of the necessary action is carried out. then we wait for all the bleating to start and wait for the u-turn. This is great Britain! I'm no fan Of Johnson, I think he's a total feckin idiot but, If you seriously think anyone else would have done any different(Note I didn't say Better) you're only fooling yourselves. Whatever our government had of chosen to do would have been picked at and crticised by the opposition and the media. It might have been better if we'd had some sort of coalition government, they would have had no choice but to work together and take any blame together. As it is, we have a society that can't abide by rules that are put in place, and celebrities/govt advisors, social media, keyboard virologists making the issue worse. The govt have to take the blame for introducing such wishy washy and vague rules in the first place but then the plebs start interpreting the rules to suit themselves. The press and opposition are screaming for lockdowns, then when they've got it, they start their feckin whining as to how we need a plan to come out of it? Like I say......this is great Britain and it's fecked!!

Merry feckin Christmas yer filthy animals......
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PHE identified the strain last week, but they were told in September by a lab in MK.

So that’s another failure, surely! Or it’s being used now as an excuse for the restrictions.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9054817/amp/Whats-TRUTH-Englands-new-strain-coronavirus.html
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This is what I dislike about Britain-get behind the team lads as there is no other option.Ask yourself what you would do?

Richard-the stats in the new virus only came to light on Friday.Not September!!Im sure new viruses occur everyday but you don’t call a lockdown because of it.
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The other tit is Khan.

London has a big percentage ignoring the basics of distancing and face masks, with the London authorities doing very little to enforce the rules.

We are also to blame for the spread.

This mother fxxxer is going to get much worse before it get's better, brace yourselves.
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I’ve never voted Tory
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Who were the grown up Tories. Theresa May and Jeremy Hunt? :D
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It's almost as if the government is just a collection of the appallingly untalented boris arselickers that were left after all the grown-up Tories left last year. If only someone people had warned you. Repeatedly. Time and time again.
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It’s a shit show by this government an absolute shit show.

They apparently knew of this new strain in September.

Where’s the Brexit deal?
  1. 20-12-2020 11:40
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Have to say, Boris is making a tits-up of this.

He/we have a dynamic situation, always changing, trying to balance the difficulty of financial meltdown and the spread of a virus is an impossible job.The key is to NOT raise expectations, then be forced to U turn as the dynamics change. The balance is to say NOWT !

There is nothing better than positive optimism to lift spirits, however pandering to the moaners on the back-benches is killing him.

Last nights exodus was predicted, and will spread the virus far and wide, However I think they expected that. many will totally ignore the advice safely, some may kill granny.

This morning Hancock is already back-tracking on the ammount of people vaccinated before the end of the year, and what he says he really meant, which was the number of vaccines being made available. BS !!!

They need to stop spouting BS, and deal with what they know now, today, not when it will end, not what we are going to do in weeks time, then do the opposite.
  1. 20-12-2020 11:27
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Having caught a train from Euston to the north in the days before Xmas several times, I can confirm that’s how the station always looks at this time of year.

I would say it was less a ‘scramble’ or ‘evacuation’, mostly people catching pre-booked trains
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