Stobart Group Internal Fighting
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20 May 2025 11:30 - 20 May 2025 13:20 #51
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Better than Teresa May though.
As a cabinet maker that is.
As a cabinet maker that is.
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29 May 2025 10:43 #52
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Legal costs of over £5m mentioned, mainly from this case, in a loss making year:
Carlisle airport owner Stobart Group plunged to a £42.6m loss. Story: tinyurl.com/y4t8fpk4 #Carlisle #Stobart
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12 Jun 2025 07:37 #53
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Tinkler loses his appeal:
Former Stobart Group boss Andrew Tinkler has lost an appeal against his High Court defeat over his dismissal from t… twitter.com/i/web/status/1…
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12 Jun 2025 07:57 - 12 Jun 2025 07:57 #54
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Business [censored] like Tinkler & co. never held any appeal for me anyway.
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CCU wrote: Tinkler loses his appeal:
Business [censored] like Tinkler & co. never held any appeal for me anyway.
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14 Jun 2025 14:27 #55
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Tinkler may have lost but he certainly ain't gonna shut up about it.............
www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17707160.andr...ck-on-stobart-group/
www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17707160.andr...ck-on-stobart-group/
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14 Jun 2025 19:29 #56
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Prestwick airport is available for £1-puts Carlisle into perspective.AT is a deal market so I think we will see him make a comeback in another guise-the Stobart thing is a distraction for him.I worry about the Stobart business-predominantly low or no margin businesses which relied on deal making.
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08 Jul 2025 09:58 #57
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Not going away this one!
Andrew Tinkler has launched a campaign to remove the chief executive of Stobart Group, days after it began the firs… twitter.com/i/web/status/1…
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08 Jul 2025 10:58 #58
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Just a pity none of these tedious, grey-faced local business types are interested in football.
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08 Jul 2025 11:09 #59
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A very compelling story, it looks like greed is the No1 motivator of the current CEO:
www.savestobartgroup.com/
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23 Aug 2025 07:27 #60
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Suspended their Aim listing and on-going financial investigations.
www.investegate.co.uk/eddie-stobart--esl...201908230700040017K/
www.investegate.co.uk/eddie-stobart--esl...201908230700040017K/
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23 Aug 2025 09:09 #61
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CEO by the name of Laffey has stood down. Dubious business practices eh?
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23 Aug 2025 10:25 #62
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Clearly got the wrong man eh.
This looks very serious to me-and you don’t suspend listings lightly.
This looks very serious to me-and you don’t suspend listings lightly.
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23 Aug 2025 10:56 #63
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I thought The Stobart Group & Eddie Stobart Logistics were two completly different companies these days
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23 Aug 2025 10:57 #64
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Had a quick look at the various press statements etc.Looks like accounting policies and particularly revenue recognition will be at the centre of this.New FD will have been having a good ferret around in the last few months and he may be trying to bring things back into the middle ground.
Problem for Stobart is it is high turnover, low margin business on the whole and therefore provisions, revenue recognition policy etc are always tempting to stretch the numbers.You then have the City putting the CEO under pressure to outperform.Not saying anything naughty but pressure to perform often sees accounting policies being stretched.Plenty of recent examples eg Utilitywise plc.
Stobart is one of those businesses where the ‘sum of the parts’ is widely regarded as bigger than the whole so I wouldn’t be surprised if we see some parts being spun out as a result of this.
Problem for Stobart is it is high turnover, low margin business on the whole and therefore provisions, revenue recognition policy etc are always tempting to stretch the numbers.You then have the City putting the CEO under pressure to outperform.Not saying anything naughty but pressure to perform often sees accounting policies being stretched.Plenty of recent examples eg Utilitywise plc.
Stobart is one of those businesses where the ‘sum of the parts’ is widely regarded as bigger than the whole so I wouldn’t be surprised if we see some parts being spun out as a result of this.
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17 Sep 2025 09:15 #65
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Troubled haulage firm Eddie Stobart Logistics has warned that annual profits will be "significantly below" expectat… twitter.com/i/web/status/1…
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17 Sep 2025 10:59 #66
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A few of us were wondering how a low margin haulage business can make such big profits, pay dividends and be a big attraction to Neil Woodford-now we know.
A lot of debt here so difficult conversations coming
A lot of debt here so difficult conversations coming
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17 Sep 2025 11:28 #67
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I assume the ' snippet ' about interested parties mean a takeover is imminent especially if they are already shareholders.
Shame a local Company is losing it's Cumbrian credentials.
Shame a local Company is losing it's Cumbrian credentials.
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17 Sep 2025 13:03 #68
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If you believe the FT today, it’s more serious than ownership-accounts are a mess, expanded too quickly, too high a dividend so essentially running out of cash
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18 Sep 2025 10:02 #69
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Sky News has learnt that Andrew Tinkler has notified advisers to Eddie Stobart that he is interested in participati… twitter.com/i/web/status/1…
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18 Sep 2025 14:07 #70
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No surprise-there is a deal there but I doubt much for the equity in my view
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18 Oct 2025 07:57 #71
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Wincanton have now said they're having a look to see if they want to make an offer for Eddie Stobart. It could make some sense as Wincanton are the UK's biggest logistics business and seem to run it properly.
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18 Oct 2025 09:30 #72
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Stobart group have issued Tinkler with a PUSU; so he has pulled out...
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18 Oct 2025 14:13 #73
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'PUSU' ?? What is that? All I can find is Punjabi University Students Union and something else (too rude for here)
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18 Oct 2025 14:16 #74
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I'd guess Put Up or Shut Up
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18 Oct 2025 17:29 #75
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I reckon the equity in ESL could be toast-too much debt.Familiar theme!Good to see there being interest in taking it on however.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see AT reappear with the other bidders.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see AT reappear with the other bidders.
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16 Nov 2025 08:46 #76
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Stobart 'weeks from collapse'
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/11/15/...just-weeks-collapse/
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/11/15/...just-weeks-collapse/
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18 Nov 2025 16:22 #77
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As if by magic.
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/11/18/...stobart-rescue-plan/
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Laffy wrote: I wouldn’t be surprised to see AT reappear with the other bidders.
As if by magic.
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/11/18/...stobart-rescue-plan/
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18 Nov 2025 16:44 #78
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Looks like AT was right all along about the direction it was being taken.
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18 Nov 2025 22:19 #79
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Wrong company mate-AT was on about Stobart Group.Airports and biomass etc.
Eddie Stobart is trucking-it’s been defying gravity for a while.Shameful accounting practices overstating profits,paying dividends from borrowed money resulting in £200m of debt.
Eddie Stobart is trucking-it’s been defying gravity for a while.Shameful accounting practices overstating profits,paying dividends from borrowed money resulting in £200m of debt.
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Yesterday 09:59 - Yesterday 10:00 #80
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Oops! AL so many different bits makes it confusing lol.
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The really interesting business is Stobart-airports and energy.The CEO is a good guy and turning it into a cash generative business.Its also got a chunk of debt but good assets like Southend.It also owns the Stobart brand but that looks a bit sad in light of recent events.
ESL was spun off and is simply the haulage side.Its a high volume, low margin business in a cut throat sector-burdened with £200m of debt and some dodgy accounting, now in intensive care.I can see this being of interest to AT who is a deal maker and would give him a platform to build something again.But it needs some serious balance sheet surgery.Good luck to him if he can pull it off.
ESL was spun off and is simply the haulage side.Its a high volume, low margin business in a cut throat sector-burdened with £200m of debt and some dodgy accounting, now in intensive care.I can see this being of interest to AT who is a deal maker and would give him a platform to build something again.But it needs some serious balance sheet surgery.Good luck to him if he can pull it off.
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