I didn’t realise the meeting was so early in June.
I’m taking a social media sabbatical for a couple of weeks, so I’ll get my war and peace ready.

Was going to say, you’re slacking!

Club

In the latest fans forum John Nixon stated the club wasn’t for sale as it had an agreement with EWM. It was later stated that EWM were close to taking over on three separate occasions but on each occasion it hit a snag. The relationship is continuing but may have to start at the beginning and take another two years. Nixon later on in the forum stated he would sell the club if the right people came along. Therefore my questions on this are as follows.

1. We are supposedly 2nd for supporter engagement. Why then don’t you put this to the test and ask the supporters what deal they want. Do supporters want the EWM deal headed by a man that has made dubious deals or one of the ones that the owners rejected such as Lapping, Robin Browns, Chris Lumsdons or another. I dare you to put this to the test and you’ll be surprised by the answer.

Addition to the question

If you won’t do this are we lead to believe it’s EWM/Day or whatever they want to be called or nothing. And is the reason it’s this is because of the debt and PGs and therefore the owners, as thought are thinking of their own plight rather than the clubs?

2. Why are we lead to believe it will/it take two years for change of ownership to go through with sanction from the EFL. However other clubs such as Bolton and Wigan changed ownership in a fraction of the time, therefore what’s the difference and why two years for us?

3. What is the interest rate or based on for the EWM loan?

Club and trust to answer separately.

It was stated at the latest forum they was three occasions where a transfer of shares was going through but stalled. What was the reason, on each occasion, of it failing?

Trust

At the latest forum, John Nixon mentioned the amalgamation of A and B shares. Atkinson mentioned this wasn’t agreed unless it was the first agreement. What is this 1st agreement?

In the fans forum John Nixon mentioned Billy Atkinson was a pain in the bum at meetings. In the forum they was plenty of examples of the trust doing other things to the owners/clubs bums but not so much causing them pain. Therefore can we have some examples of Billy being a pain in the bum please?

The trust are very active on diversity issues. Jim Mitchell at a fans forum said to a host “you’ve had too many pizzas” implying his fat. The trust released a statement that admitted Jims guilt and an apology given. This was then picked up in an article in the local newspaper by Jon Colman and wasn’t resolved, therefore the apology wasn’t accepted. Therefore.

As the trust(Jim) accepted fault in the statement and the local newspaper reported it, can you therefore confirm rule 5.6 and 5.9.1 was broken?

Can you confirm rule 6.1 was implemented and what was the outcome, if it wasn’t implemented why not?

Does the trust feel Jim is the right man to represent it and represent it at 1921 meetings after this latest gaffe? Why should supporters/members trust Jim is the right man to represent the supporters at these meetings?

We keep hearing from you that joining the trust will give us a voice in the club. However you admitted you can/will/would dilute shares without a members vote. Why then should I join the trust and exactly what do you mean by having a voice?

You currently have 400 ish members. What’s your target for next season?

Q’s for CUOSC:

1: In Dec, you co-opted Mark Middling onto your Board. With the greatest respect to Mark, who is he? And what is his history supporting our Club? I ask purely so that people are more aware, as co-opting is a big deal, especially when someone appears from nowhere!

2: Your Carlisle REUnited fund has raised approx £13,500. To date you’ve paid approx £3k towards some medical equipment. What are you going to do with the rest? People didn’t donate for it to be sat in the bank! When launched the idea was “to support the Blues through the Coronavirus crisis” and “will target assisting the club to get back on its feet next season”. The 20/21 Season is now over with very little assistance provided by the fund, so what is the plan?

At the recent fans forum, John Nixon stated that John Jackson wasn't attending because he "probably had something on that night".

Please confirm that John Nixon was talking rubbish. Please confirm that given John Jackson hasn't spoken or put a statement to the fans since he joined the Holdings Board three years ago this month, he was never going to attend the fans forum.

It's common (public) knowledge who Mark Middling is, what his background is and how long he's been "supporting" the club.

The question above looks like it's designed purely to let the trust spew off his résumé. A proper question would get directly to the point, not skirt around it.

https://boards.footymad.net/showthread.php?t=38276767&p;=39791816#post39791816

Club

I asked the question at the forum re club interference into people’s personal affairs and this may be done to stop people asking questions. The reply was it’s a nonsense suggestion, in reference to stopping questions being asked which I agree with to some extent as all my questions are answered to which I appreciate however.

Has the club, including all personal recently or past ever delved into a persons private life. This includes contacting people’s employers, friends and internet searches?

Can the club (Clibbens) confirm that no club employee/director will contact a supporters employer or at the very least try to make contact with the supporter first to resolve the issue before taking this avenue.

I have one question-the obvious one

Have the Trust actually asked anyone in the PD camp if they intend to buy the club?

Trust

Trust board member Nigel Davidson @nbd69 has seemed to have blocked a lot of people from his Twitter account. The people he has blocked seem to be those that have had a different opinion to himself. Considering he is the trusts diversity person and although its his private account, isn’t it very strange behaviour from someone who promotes inclusion, diversity and difference?

Kess and CW, get your questions in!

Club

Have the club asked anyone in the PD camp if they intend to buy the club?

What’s the plan if EWM/Day/purepay decide not to take it on, or if an agreement can’t be met?

Is there any truth in David Holdsworth becoming a shareholder?

Mullen - I sent my war and peace length/quantity questions last week.

Mullen - I sent my war and peace length/quantity questions last week.

You’d be advised to read the first post on this Thread then!

Anyone would think you were looking for an excuse for them not to answer.

CCU - please see below my questions for Nigel on the matter, as discussed. I would be grateful if you would ask them at the next fans meeting or, if there are none due until next season, send it to the club from the message board. As previous posts I am not comfortable going direct to the club, as I am not willing to have it hushed up or glossed over.
Sorry it's such a long post, but I am one of those old fashioned sorts who does not take kindly to being called a liar.
To the very few who have said it is part of life to have your details searched, not by a football club with history of contacting employers as a result of mild criticism it is not. Andy Hall also seems to agree on this.


I am a message board poster on the Cumbrians.net, ex-season ticket holder, and still attend some games each season when I can. It is difficult to get enthusiasm from family members to attend matches (both sons refuse to "watch that dross" and sit in pigeon soiled seats) but I do sometimes get my Grandson to attend.
At the recent Fans Forum, you combined responses relating to the questions raised by Richard, whilst referring to my posts. Please only respond to my questions here, as these are totally separate items to Richard's questions.
I posted mildly critical points on the message board (username CarlisleWhite) calling out the bluster on the "losses" due to Covid. I repeated them almost verbatum in a tweet to Andy Hall (twittername Carlisle Leeds), which shows my full name as part of my twitter handle. Following this, someone at the club went onto my LinkedIn account to get further details on me. There was other snooping done, but I am not in a position to provide proof on these other methods.
I am sorry that you find the whole business "nonsense" (your words at the forum). Maybe you deem it "nonsense" for a professional football club to be searching for whom someone works for, but I can assure you I do not share your assertion, and neither does your media man.
You suggested I send my issues on this matter to the club but, based on the experiences of others, I have no confidence that the matter would not be ignored/glossed over, so have been fully consistent in saying I would prefer my queries to be responded to in public.
I would rather only actual and specific responses to questions were given or, if you would prefer not to answer any or all questions on this for any reason, please be honest about this and just confirm this or do not provide an answer to the point/s in question.

Q1 - please confirm who at the club has access to its LinkedIn account
Q2 - who at the club checked my LinkedIn account to see who I worked for. Andy Hall has categorically said it was not him. and you said it was "nonsense", so who was it
Q3 - what possible cause could there be for anyone at the club to check my LinkedIn account, other than to check who I worked for (please note that the club had my name prior to carrying out the search, and my personal details are on facebook, twitter, etc)
Q4 - what other means of investigating my business and personal affairs did this person and/or others carry out to find out more about me, and why
Q5 - Andy Hall said on the message board "I would not advise anyone else to do it, and would not stand by and stay silent if I knew somebody had". Do you concur with this, and what action will you take against the person in question
Q6 - you said at the forum that you discussed this matter at the club. Bearing in mind the above, do you stand by the claim you did not know who I was, despite having a meeting at the club with someone who knew my name (as I gave it to him). Do you accept this is not credible
Q7 - you stated at the forum "the club does not go digging up people in the forum to see what they are up to in order that they do not ask questions". Do you accept this was incontrovertibly a lie in relation to my posts (see all posts and comments made by both parties in the message board posts trail).
Q8 - why did you not read out my posts at the forum what was written on the message board (implying and then indeed saying, it was nonsense) after saying you were going to. You clearly had prepared answers to the points, but did not provide them for some reason
Q9 - you mention you read the forum to see what the fans are saying, so you can respond, but then said you choose not to respond to the matters I raised to you. How do the two statements marry up
Q10 - you said at the forum I said that if you did not answer the points made it was clear you were lying. There are no comments to this effect at all. Do you now accept this was a blatant lie (please refer to the postings list) and do you intend to apologise for this
Q11 - Why did you initially respond to the points I made on the message board, but then took a vow of silence when I made the allegations about the club snooping on me
Q12 - you said at the forum that your response to the issues raised by me on snooping into who I worked for (or "what I was up" to to use your phraseology) was "this is not the case, nothing to see here" - do you accept this is also a lie

Anyone would think you were looking for an excuse for them not to answer.

No, just don’t have time this week to search it all out!

Anyone would think you were looking for an excuse for them not to answer.

No, just don’t have time this week to search it all out!

I'm not convinced...

Anyone would think you were looking for an excuse for them not to answer.

No, just don’t have time this week to search it all out!

I'm not convinced...

Joke or impertinence ?

Just saying it's difficult to trust anything the mods say these days. I know they deleted Barry and his posts, I don't know why they did that or why they claimed they hadn't. But surely you understand why I'm now finding it difficult to believe stuff they say?

Keep saying stuff like that Kessler and they might ban you too. Being unpleasant to staff would get you slung out of a cafe or pub so why not here .

Keep saying stuff like that Kessler and they might ban you too. Being unpleasant to staff would get you slung out of a cafe or pub so why not here .

I don't see what's unpleasant about saying you find it difficult to trust certain people?

And there is the problem you don't see the problem or you are a just a wind up merchant. Its their forum so you are questioning them and if you don't trust them just move on and start your own forum, seems easy enough to me.

Its their forum so you are questioning them

And what's wrong with that? I thought the point of a message board was to discuss things, including criticizing, disagreement etc.


I've been called a wind up merchant plenty of times, it seems that's the standard accusation whenever you dare to criticize these days. People try to ridicule you rather than engage in a good faith discussion. I don't particularly like that but I care about the club, and I refuse to be silenced on issues regarding the club I feel are important.

Many others criticise and question and that's one of the things it's there for. There is something different about you though as there is an agenda with a capital A

Many others criticise and question and that's one of the things it's there for. There is something different about you though as there is an agenda with a capital A

My only agenda is to try and help the club. I don't want to see it fade into non league obscurity and die, but that's exactly what will happen unless we get change.

I don't believe you . You are all about you or as you see it me, me, me

I don't believe you

Well then that's your problem. Let us know if you ever feel like growing up and taking part in the discussion.

It's quite simple really, in all the posts from Kessler I can't remember any about football. Nothing about formations, players, strengths, and weaknesses of individual players or coaches. Nothing about other teams in the division, or even the Premiership.

I find it difficult to trust or engage with someone who spends a lot of time on a football messageboard but doesn't seem to have much interest in football.

Exactly Bumble . As for a conversation Kessler , you need to listen to others to hold one and you don't. Various people have told you that the forum folk may not be able to comment on the Barry situation but you ignore that and just carry on sniping as you know best. Anyway I am digital and don't need wound up. Grow up and join the real world it's OK on the whole

Ps Bumble , I like a 3,5, 2 if done well . But as long as its good to watch I don't really care about formations .

I find it difficult to trust or engage with someone who spends a lot of time on a football messageboard but doesn't seem to have much interest in football.

Bumble I sometimes find it difficult to trust or engage with you too. Last year you called me a troll and that hurt me. When I brought it up some time later you apologized or said you felt bad that it made me feel that way. I thought fair enough, appreciate you saying that, let's move on. But now you seem to be implying similar things again. In all the replies you've ever made to me, I can't recall a single one where you posted to say you agree or support. You only ever criticize. Now obviously we might disagree about stuff and that's fine but it's difficult to believe that you've literally never agreed with even a single thing I've said. Even me and Laffy sometimes agree on stuff! It does sometimes feels like you have a problem with me

I try to be civil to everyone on here, and while I don't recall ever being disrespectful towards you Bumble I would hate to think that I'd said something that's offended you at any point. If I have, I can only apologize and assure you it wasn't intended that way. I like a good debate, and will happily argue things, but at the end of the day I like to see everybody getting along. So if you've got a problem with me, what can I do to make that better?

Many others criticise and question and that's one of the things it's there for. There is something different about you though as there is an agenda with a capital A

What do you think Kesslers agenda is?

Kessler if they didn’t want to ask the questions surely not asking for them to be posted here would be a better course of action for them to take. No?

No idea Mullen, genuine people do what you do for example or anyone else for that matter , stand up and ask and get on with it. Or send an email.
My mate has just told me they have started the same crack on the other forum wherever that is.
I am out . If the last couple of years have taught us nothing else apart from we need to concentrate on real stuff and people and just try and switch off to the white noise .
Anyway hope you are well and getting out and about up to gods country ?

No idea Mullen, genuine people do what you do for example or anyone else for that matter , stand up and ask and get on with it. Or send an email.

I've already explained why I don't do that.

Your comment about "real people" seems utterly bizarre. How else do you think my posts appear, if not from a real person sat typing them?

Your a energy vampire Kess. Instead of sucking blood you suck the will to live.

Learn to read , I said genuine people

Learn to read , I said genuine people

I am genuine. I have my own opinions about stuff and don't shy away from expressing them. You can agree or disagree with them, I don't mind. But I find it quite insulting being called a troll and a wind up merchant. How would you like it if I called you a troll? Should I call Laffy a troll the next time he tells me how wonderful capitalism is? Should I call Mullen a wind up merchant because he has some political views I don't support? I don't believe in doing that, because I try to be civil to everyone. Shame that some on here don't believe in being civil towards me.

I disagree with Mullen on many things but I am sure we could have a brew and a chat .

I disagree with Mullen on many things but I am sure we could have a brew and a chat .

You probably could with me as well, as long as you paid

I don't object to you disagreeing with me. I just find it quite insulting being called a troll. There's no need for it, it's not a very nice thing to say at all is it? And I'm sure you wouldn't like it if I called you one. Let's just be civil, disagree with someone, give a counter argument to what they say, and then move on. No need to be nasty.

I don't see that happening tbh. The demanding anonymity thing is unsettling, it just doesn't sit right, and then your stance kn Barry even after the history between you and then pretty much calling the mods liars without even accepting the possibility that they may not be able to say why for legal reasons. And Barry has personally owned up to certain issues so it's possible, and then saying the trust are to blame. They can just about find themselves never mind exert pressure on the guys, I know two of them and they would tell them to foxtrot Oscar . Anyway I am out , unless I buy the forum in which case I will email you ?

Ps the last bit is joke

I disagree with Mullen on many things but I am sure we could have a brew and a chat .

You probably could with me as well, as long as you paid

I don't object to you disagreeing with me. I just find it quite insulting being called a troll. There's no need for it, it's not a very nice thing to say at all is it? And I'm sure you wouldn't like it if I called you one. Let's just be civil, disagree with someone, give a counter argument to what they say, and then move on. No need to be nasty.

I like to think I can see both sides of an argument/discussion but I find like several others on here you only have a one sided view.
The ask for no anonymous questions was never accepted by you but that doesn’t stop you raising it in nearly every post/thread.
Your views on socialism/capitalism are always reiterated and at times you seem to insult others intelligence about these topics.
Now you constantly berate CCU and call him a liar for his answer to another poster.
I don’t know why I’ve written this because I think you just seek attention and I’ve given it to you.
Yours despairingly
Highland Blue

I don't see that happening tbh. The demanding anonymity thing is unsettling, it just doesn't sit right,

It's because I want to keep my jobs.

and then your stance kn Barry even after the history between you and then pretty much calling the mods liars without even accepting the possibility that they may not be able to say why for legal reasons.

I didn't like Barry, I didn't like his posts, and there was several times I said he deserved to be banned. I stand by that and I don't have a problem with him being banned for some of the stuff he's said. But there was rumours the supporters group had an influence in getting him banned, and that's the part I have a problem with. An independent forum should not be influenced from outside.

As I said if you think that they could influence the boys then you are more deluded than I thought. As for keeping your jobs , then like any other job don't do anything to endanger them, and if you try and be sneaky by doing it anonymously then you deserve to get into trouble for being underhand . That's worse than being open and up front.
And as the majority don't have a problem with the anonymity thing then you will have to like it or lump it. It's how the world works. Even in socialist countries the majority opinion counts

I disagree with Mullen on many things but I am sure we could have a brew and a chat .

I’m the same.

Some of my good friends we disagree on many things political, Covid, football but we can still chat.

I think that’s been lost, and social media is to blame partly whereby you must agree with your friends view and if they don’t they go off on one.

I’ve no time for people like that. People can argue to their hearts content with differing views.

I don’t do loyalty, if I disagree with your opinion no matter who you are I’ll tell you, but I won’t fall out with you.

calling the mods liars without even accepting the possibility that they may not be able to say why for legal reasons.

So then why haven't they just said that then? "Barry's account has been deleted for legal reasons and we can't give any more details"?

By the way if anyone else has a problem with me, feel free to state exactly what it is. But be polite, I am sick fed up of being called a troll and wind up merchant. It's quite a nasty thing to say and there's no need for it. If you don't agree with my views, then just say you don't agree. Give a counter argument if you want and then move on. But let's keep it civil, there is absolutely no need to be calling people trolls, it's extremely disrespectful.

Treat others how you would like to be treated, if you wouldn't want other people to insult you, then don't insult them. And "troll" is rather insulting.

No idea Mullen, genuine people do what you do for example or anyone else for that matter , stand up and ask and get on with it. Or send an email.
My mate has just told me they have started the same crack on the other forum wherever that is.
I am out . If the last couple of years have taught us nothing else apart from we need to concentrate on real stuff and people and just try and switch off to the white noise .
Anyway hope you are well and getting out and about up to gods country ?

Here you are Bob, you don’t get around much do you…

https://boards.footymad.net/showthread.php?t=38267630

No white noise either. This isn’t about Barry now, it’s about honesty and independence, two very simple concepts.

Are you a 'lone wolf' Kes - I agree with some of your posts but none of your real life friends seem to back you up further on here.

Does anybody else apart from yourself know that you post on here?

And will you answer my question because I am technically 'anonymous'

Cheers Griff , actually until the bump in the road I did and maybe that's the problem as my mind is open Re Baz and comments the N&S print something along the lines of be careful what's said as this is an ongoing situation and may be an offence so they are saying nought. , And I think the last I remember from the man himself was he was dealing with plod to quote him. Now I am not saying that is the case but its a possibility, just like Kesslers collusion theory. Just a thought