Is Clibbens not an accountant by trade? So fog and sideshows will be his game.

Yes-he’s a CA.Nothing wrong with that.

What’s one plus one?What would you like it to be sir?

Laffy. With where we are now, is there anything at the club you would change now or do different, looking at recent posts you look pretty happy.

DH on the extension:

What a [censored] bellend. Trying to claim any of the credit for Beech turning the football side round is totally out of order.
If DH knew all along what was needed, how has it taken him so long for us to get there. Been a new side every year under him, so you would think some of the players before this year would have been better than they were.
And he's wearing a cockney wide boy hat.

“By gaining another season, and potentially another season after that, I’ve protected our football club”


Does this line from Holdsworth suggest there may be an option in Beech’s contract for the club to trigger a further year on top of the 1 year extension?

It certainly suggests so...

What a [censored] bellend. Trying to claim any of the credit for Beech turning the football side round is totally out of order.
If DH knew all along what was needed, how has it taken him so long for us to get there. Been a new side every year under him, so you would think some of the players before this year would have been better than they were.
And he's wearing a cockney wide boy hat.

Holdsworth makes it all about him, the successful season so far has nowt to do with Beech,Skelton etc.

What would we do without him!

The Fleetwood job is now available. Let’s see if they make their a move and if so how easily will the club cave in and accept?

With a freshly signed contract a demand of £1m should be sufficient...

Let’s hope Beechy remembers his advice that his unhappiest time went with his highest wages. Sad to think fleetwood may appeal to him, especially where we are compared to where we were. I know they’re a league higher, but it very possible we’ll be their equals come May/June. And are they really a bigger club than us? Maybe I’m living on past glory! Remember simmo beechy! Take us to the championship, (the league not the position).
The article in the news and star on the difference to last time we topped the league is very accurate. Whether his appointment was a fluke or a judgement of great insight, it has worked and the club must do all it can this transfer window to match our head coach’s ambition, including as Lummy said, pushing the boat out to get Bennett signed. I think if the club supports him now, we’ll keep him till the summer. Bigger clubs than fleetwood will come knocking then. ☹️But at least we’ll be in league 1!

Currently 9/1
4th favourite with skybet.

I think the probability of Beech moving on now is very low and even lower that he'd choose to go to a club like Fleetwood, and that's no disrespect to them. If he's getting mid-to-lower League One interest now then it will still be there in the summer, if that's his ambition. If he takes us up then he could be looking at much better opportunities.

He's waited a long time for an opportunity as a number one, the club put that faith in him and he's now showing what he's about, but he has achieved nothing yet. I don't think he is shortsighted enough to take that kind of job, potentially lose it a year or two down the line without a promotion on his CV and then be back to square one as a coach.

Imagine we're top 10 in League One in a year's time. He will be in a far stronger position at that point and, if he backs himself which you can tell he does, then the thought of going to average League One clubs for slightly more money shouldn't even be a consideration...

Now 7/2 favourite.

Someone must have put a tenner on.

It's all about whether Beech has faith in his own ability as a manager.

If he thinks he's up to the job, he'll stay, continue to build and move on having finished the job here.

If he thinks he's been lucky here and it's all likely to go to sh1t before too long, he'll be out of the door as soon as any club comes knocking.

I cant get my head around this no 'disrespect to Fleetwood' business at the end of the day they are literally a 'bus shelter' in bloody Blackpool.
I know times have changed, but we should be, and 'are' a bloody big club compared to them.
And apart from the money, (which I suppose is always going to be the issue) any manager employed by us shouldn't even give them a second glance if they came knocking.

Thinking about it properly... if he hadn’t signed this new contract I’d be a bit concerned that the club would accept a pittance of an offer and let him speak to them.

But I’m assuming that the club actually do want to keep him and giving him the new contract shows that, so I wouldn’t expect them to let him go for a small amount and I don’t think Fleetwood would pay a substantial compensation fee for still a relatively inexperienced head coach.

Beech grew up in Fleetwood and he and his family played for the club, he’s also friends with their chairman. If they do come knocking I can see it being appealing to him, a forward thinking club with a very ambitious chairman. Hopefully he’ll continue the good job he’s doing here though, fingers crossed.

Bluebry they are now bigger than us more money better players playing higher level with ambition to play championship football if not bigger certainly been better than us with better training facilities

I'm afraid this could be a very tempting proposal should it arise they will be able to offer a far better wage and on his doorstep...taking our fans hats off in any other job most would be off in a shot

Fingers crossed

I think we’ve got to accept that quite a few clubs, who in the past we would look down on as smaller clubs than ourselves, have sadly overtaken us in terms of stature in the game. The likes of Fleetwood, Wycombe, Lincoln, Doncaster, Wigan and Burton have all left us behind in terms of ambition, infrastructure and ultimately size. The only thing we can possibly cling onto is our potential fanbase which, as we know, gets you nowhere in the game.

Frank is right. It’s sad but it’s true. You look at the training facility Fleetwood have, they are way ahead of us. Chris Beech has mentioned the poor state of our training pitch on numerous occasions so even something like that would possibly be an attraction to him as a coach who prides himself on developing and getting the most out of players.

I’m pinning my hopes on the fact the club have tied him down on a new deal means they won’t just accept any old offer for him and Fleetwood won’t even try because of that.

Given his links with Fleetwood I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up there if he was offered the chance.

It's about potential and ambition, in my book.

Fleetwood have a nice little set-up, and they put us to shame in many ways (full credit to them), but ultimately they're a glorified non-league club and that's ultimately where they'll return when the tap is turned off. Hopefully, for them, they won't do a Rushden & Diamonds or a Gretna.

You could achieve so much more at / with our club with a little vision and ambition. If you really want to make a name for yourself then you'd choose to build something here, leave a legacy, wake a sleeping giant then take yourself a top job.

Would you choose a bungalow in a cul-de-sac or renovate a derelict stately home? You can toddle off to Fleetwood for a few coins and shorter commute, disappearing into obscurity, or you can take the chance of becoming a legend. It's a no brainer.

I was speaking with Pilley Fleetwood’s owner a few month back about Beech before we got in top gear and our form was starting. I said he would be Fleetwood next manager as he is class. Pilley said it would be a fairytale, local lad who played for club taking over. Not sure he was too convinced as he was unproven and we weren’t top but things have changed and he liked the idea. I was speaking with Fleetwoods CEO the other week and we were talking about his style of play and I said the football is amazing and best Carlisle team I’ve seen in last 15 years. Fleetwood like the big names but Beech is definitely of big interest.

“ I was speaking with Fleetwoods CEO the other week and we were talking about his style of play and I said the football is amazing and best Carlisle team I’ve seen in last 15 years.”

WRE- Whose side are you on???

I’ve been telling them to not take him, but he is doing so well. Personally I think it’s too soon for Beech. If I was Fleetwood get someone in until the end of season and then see how Beech has done. He’s from Fleetwood so he would prob dream of being their manager. I’m def wanting him to stay so will tell them we play shit football and he’s just getting lucky!

It's about potential and ambition, in my book.

Fleetwood have a nice little set-up, and they put us to shame in many ways (full credit to them), but ultimately they're a glorified non-league club and that's ultimately where they'll return when the tap is turned off. Hopefully, for them, they won't do a Rushden & Diamonds or a Gretna.

You could achieve so much more at / with our club with a little vision and ambition. If you really want to make a name for yourself then you'd choose to build something here, leave a legacy, wake a sleeping giant then take yourself a top job.

Would you choose a bungalow in a cul-de-sac or renovate a derelict stately home? You can toddle off to Fleetwood for a few coins and shorter commute, disappearing into obscurity, or you can take the chance of becoming a legend. It's a no brainer.

Piggy has got it spot on here.
At the end of the day how far can you take a club like Fleetwood?
They rarely get above 2500 in attendance, they live in the shadows of a much bigger club, (a club I hasten to add is not much bigger than ourselves)
They are undoubtedly living off the chairman, so what happens when the gravy train inevitably dries up?
Yup nice little set up for a 'bus stop' in Blackpool, but a club that's going to the Championship and staying there year after year, not a bloody chance.

Our club is so frustrating when you see how Fleetwood is run and the vision/ambition. If our owners had 25% of the ambition and vision Fleetwood have, we would be in the premier league. The way the club is set up is 1st class. The tap won’t dry up at Fleetwood for a long time as Pilley loves the club he created. His son will take over when Pilley gets too old so there’s a good 60-80 years of the money being there. A big dilemma for Beech if he did get offered the job as why would he want to continue working with owners who’s ambition is to be non league or flirt with league one when he could flirt with the championship and manage his local club. He is class manager who def needs to see the season out and see where it goes as he is building something special with us. This is an exciting project for him but he will eventually get frustrated when he wants to take us onto the next level but our board don’t have the same vision or ambition.

You could achieve so much more at / with our club with a little vision and ambition.

Without realising it, as it contradicts the rest of what you say, this is the key.
Sheridan has already buggered off because of lack of ambition, and it's hard to have vision when your eyes are going.
Don't think he will go, but the pull must be enormous, especially with his family situation.

It's about potential and ambition, in my book.

Fleetwood have a nice little set-up, and they put us to shame in many ways (full credit to them), but ultimately they're a glorified non-league club and that's ultimately where they'll return when the tap is turned off. Hopefully, for them, they won't do a Rushden & Diamonds or a Gretna.

You could achieve so much more at / with our club with a little vision and ambition. If you really want to make a name for yourself then you'd choose to build something here, leave a legacy, wake a sleeping giant then take yourself a top job.

Would you choose a bungalow in a cul-de-sac or renovate a derelict stately home? You can toddle off to Fleetwood for a few coins and shorter commute, disappearing into obscurity, or you can take the chance of becoming a legend. It's a no brainer.

Piggy has got it spot on here.
At the end of the day how far can you take a club like Fleetwood?
They rarely get above 2500 in attendance, they live in the shadows of a much bigger club, (a club I hasten to add is not much bigger than ourselves)
They are undoubtedly living off the chairman, so what happens when the gravy train inevitably dries up?
Yup nice little set up for a 'bus stop' in Blackpool, but a club that's going to the Championship and staying there year after year, not a bloody chance.

If Beech's ambitious and backs his ability there's no reason why (with the correct backing) he couldn't get Fleetwood into the Championship. And then it could be onward and upward for him.

If Wycombe can get there anybody can!

I also agree with piglet, vision and ambition plus CB could make us a threat to League 1 teams, My only concern is do the 3 amigos have the vision and EWM have any ambition for us to succeed?

If Bennett signs that'll be a good sign that Beech is staying.

If Bennett signs that'll be a good sign that Beech is staying.

This having just happened would suggest neither are going anywhere...

No interest in Fleetwood rumours:

What a [censored] bellend. Trying to claim any of the credit for Beech turning the football side round is totally out of order.
If DH knew all along what was needed, how has it taken him so long for us to get there. Been a new side every year under him, so you would think some of the players before this year would have been better than they were.
And he's wearing a cockney wide boy hat.

Not sure he is trying to claim any credit for Beech turning the football side around, I suppose if you don’t like someone you’ll always find a narrative somewhere though.

Not sure where he says he knew all along what was needed either. Perhaps it’s a case of Holdsworth learning on the job in his 3 years, didn’t get it right at the start but is coming good now.

Beech is undoubtably the main reason for the success this season but Skelton and Holdsworth deserve praise aswell. Not many were optimistic about Holdsworth’s choice of Beech in the first place but it’s looking like a great appointment. Recruitment, which Holdsworth plays a part, has been excellent aswell.

Farnk - could be right, but looking at his words??
“When Chris came [in November 2019] it was on my terms,” Holdsworth told the News & Star. “I’d had meetings with various probables and possible, but I presented it to the board, and I got on very well with Chris – I liked his morals and straightforward approach.

“Also, when I asked him to give me a blueprint, it matched what I thought [was right] for League Two, when we considered who’s gone up and been challenging for departure to League One in recent years.

“I love the fact he’s keen on fitness and training ethics, and character references. He has an ability to get as much information as he wants [about targets], then he comes to me and I take over.

“He puts the hard work in alongside me. As a club it’s something we didn’t really have before, in a different management style, but I think this works.

How does Holdsworth know what is right for League 2? There’s nothing in his past appointments to indicate that he might.

I don't see anything wrong with any of the words attributed to Holdsworth tbh and whatever the respective roles and relationships are it seems to be having the desired effect on the pitch.
Long may it continue.

No interest in Fleetwood rumours:

This is football remember, he'll probably be Fleetwood Manager within a week.

Farnk - could be right, but looking at his words??
“When Chris came [in November 2019] it was on my terms,” Holdsworth told the News & Star. “I’d had meetings with various probables and possible, but I presented it to the board, and I got on very well with Chris – I liked his morals and straightforward approach.

“Also, when I asked him to give me a blueprint, it matched what I thought [was right] for League Two, when we considered who’s gone up and been challenging for departure to League One in recent years.

“I love the fact he’s keen on fitness and training ethics, and character references. He has an ability to get as much information as he wants [about targets], then he comes to me and I take over.

“He puts the hard work in alongside me. As a club it’s something we didn’t really have before, in a different management style, but I think this works.

I honestly don’t see where you’re coming from with the above. Beech hadn’t managed before and was untested so it was a punt by the club to appoint him, a gamble. So of course it was on Holdsworth’s terms, it was a buyers market if you like. Now Beech is starting to prove himself he has a bit more leverage when it comes to negotiations.

They each obviously did research into the best way to go about getting out of league two (which may not have matched each person’s initial philosophy). When you look at the likes of Lincoln, not particularly pretty but very effective, it’s hard to disagree. When Beech presented his blueprint it matched what Holdsworth thought. Fair enough I’d say.

Describing exactly what a Director of Football does. Manager identifies the targets, gets as much info on them as he can and then it’s over to the DoF to go and get them. Not many managers these days get involved in signing players.

Like I say, if people don’t like someone they’ll always find an angle to criticise them. Credit where credits due - Holdsworth did well appointing an unknown in Beech and he’s done well with recruitment since.