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10 Jan 2017 15:31 #1 by ParcelPete
Wasn't sure if this was a good idea at first but after seeing the format i think it will make for more exciting games.
16 groups of 3 with the top 2 in each group going through to the last 32 knock out,even world minnows like Scotland might qualify.

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10 Jan 2017 15:40 #2 by CCU
There will be a Group P at the 2026WC. Ridiculous...

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10 Jan 2017 15:47 #3 by sirjimmyglass
You saw what happened with the European Championships last summer what happens when you open the competition up too much. Dreadfully boring football with teams just trying to avoid defeat in order to scrape through the group stages. That'll absolutely happen with a WC of 48 teams.

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10 Jan 2017 15:51 #4 by ParcelPete
Only 16 more games played than there are now and the winner will still have to play 7 games,on the downside it will make FIFA even more dosh.

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10 Jan 2017 15:53 #5 by cufcmike
I've heard people say its good because "It gives the smaller countries a better chance of qualifying" but on that aspect, I disagree. Surely its 1000x more special for them to qualify via the traditional format? Some nations might not be in it for a few decades, but you should only be in the world cup on merit. This cheapens it for me.

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10 Jan 2017 15:54 #6 by pedals
I can't see how it's a good thing in the slightest. On the one hand it's meant to make the World Cup more accessible, but it's an elite football tournament - if you're not good enough, you're not good enough. It makes a further mockery of the whole qualification process and cheapens the footballing value of getting to the finals, but of course increases the financial value of the whole thing, which is all they really care about here.
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10 Jan 2017 16:00 #7 by ParcelPete

pedals wrote: I can't see how it's a good thing in the slightest. On the one hand it's meant to make the World Cup more accessible, but it's an elite football tournament - if you're not good enough, you're not good enough. It makes a further mockery of the whole qualification process and cheapens the footballing value of getting to the finals, but of course increases the financial value of the whole thing, which is all they really care about here.


Why not make the F A Cup only for the best 32 teams then.

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10 Jan 2017 16:02 - 10 Jan 2017 16:03 #8 by Kangshung
12 groups of 4 would be better. The winners of each group plus the four best place runners up going through into a last 16. This would force teams on to the offensive, giving a far more entertaining tournament - in theory at least.

Not profitable enough for the bar stewards in charge though.
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10 Jan 2017 16:05 #9 by ParcelPete

Kangshung wrote: 12 groups of 4 would be better. The winners of each group plus the four best place runners up going through into a last 16. This would force teams on to the offensive, giving a far more entertaining tournament - in theory at least.

Not profitable enough for the bar stewards in charge though.


Or keep it at 16 groups with only the winner going through to the knockout stage.
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10 Jan 2017 16:07 - 10 Jan 2017 16:07 #10 by Kangshung

ParcelPete wrote:

Kangshung wrote: 12 groups of 4 would be better. The winners of each group plus the four best place runners up going through into a last 16. This would force teams on to the offensive, giving a far more entertaining tournament - in theory at least.

Not profitable enough for the bar stewards in charge though.




Or keep it at 16 groups with only the winner going through to the knockout stage.


Hadn't even considered that!
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10 Jan 2017 16:09 #11 by Zebby
I can see the next thing being the major countries with the big financial clout getting qualification automatically so as to maximize profitabilit

Money grabbing twatts

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10 Jan 2017 16:22 #12 by pedals

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pedals wrote: I can't see how it's a good thing in the slightest. On the one hand it's meant to make the World Cup more accessible, but it's an elite football tournament - if you're not good enough, you're not good enough. It makes a further mockery of the whole qualification process and cheapens the footballing value of getting to the finals, but of course increases the financial value of the whole thing, which is all they really care about here.


Why not make the F A Cup only for the best 32 teams then.


Because the World Cup is designed as an elite tournament and the best 32 teams play in the finals as a result of a two-year long qualifying campaign to determine who plays there on merit. Domestic cup competitions are designed to include teams from right the way down the pyramid and ultimately end up with the best 32 teams in the latter stages anyway, with a few anomalies each year. They're two different systems that work well on their own and don't need to be altered.
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10 Jan 2017 16:23 #13 by heilkmoon
No surprise to see Scotland are in favour of it!

A 48 team Finals will be bad enough, but how tedious and meaningless will most of the qualification fixtures be?

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10 Jan 2017 16:31 #14 by sirjimmyglass

pedals wrote:

ParcelPete wrote:

pedals wrote: I can't see how it's a good thing in the slightest. On the one hand it's meant to make the World Cup more accessible, but it's an elite football tournament - if you're not good enough, you're not good enough. It makes a further mockery of the whole qualification process and cheapens the footballing value of getting to the finals, but of course increases the financial value of the whole thing, which is all they really care about here.


Why not make the F A Cup only for the best 32 teams then.


Because the World Cup is designed as an elite tournament and the best 32 teams play in the finals as a result of a two-year long qualifying campaign to determine who plays there on merit. Domestic cup competitions are designed to include teams from right the way down the pyramid and ultimately end up with the best 32 teams in the latter stages anyway, with a few anomalies each year. They're two different systems that work well on their own and don't need to be altered.


Quite amazing that you had to spell out the difference there. The magic of the FA Cup is that in theory you or I could end up playing for our local club against Premier League teams in front of tens of thousands of people. The magic of the World Cup is that it is a collection of the world's best teams, pitting it out against each other, not the best teams and anyone who can beat Andorra and San Marino in qualifying.

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10 Jan 2017 16:38 #15 by ParcelPete

sirjimmyglass wrote:

pedals wrote:

ParcelPete wrote:

pedals wrote: I can't see how it's a good thing in the slightest. On the one hand it's meant to make the World Cup more accessible, but it's an elite football tournament - if you're not good enough, you're not good enough. It makes a further mockery of the whole qualification process and cheapens the footballing value of getting to the finals, but of course increases the financial value of the whole thing, which is all they really care about here.


Why not make the F A Cup only for the best 32 teams then.


Because the World Cup is designed as an elite tournament and the best 32 teams play in the finals as a result of a two-year long qualifying campaign to determine who plays there on merit. Domestic cup competitions are designed to include teams from right the way down the pyramid and ultimately end up with the best 32 teams in the latter stages anyway, with a few anomalies each year. They're two different systems that work well on their own and don't need to be altered.


Quite amazing that you had to spell out the difference there. The magic of the FA Cup is that in theory you or I could end up playing for our local club against Premier League teams in front of tens of thousands of people. The magic of the World Cup is that it is a collection of the world's best teams, pitting it out against each other, not the best teams and anyone who can beat Andorra and San Marino in qualifying.


You could just as well say the magic of the World cup is that a Postman from Gibralter could play against Brazil in front of tens of thousands.

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10 Jan 2017 17:08 - 10 Jan 2017 17:09 #16 by ukblue
I've always been up for an expansion.. they've only done it for coin but it makes it better for the lads who go and watch their team... the Iceland and Northern Irish lads in France will never forget the summer they had last year. Even with a 24 team world cup you would get games like South Korea v Iran. You can always just watch something else on TV.

There should be more than an extra 3 European teams though.. There are about 20 new countries in Europe since 1990 and lots of them are now decent footballing sides.

The 3 team leagues is a farce.. unless it just went to a knock-out stage of 16. You'd think penalty shoot outs is a thing that they'd want to try to reduce.. not increase. If you know who you will play in the next stage you will have games where both teams after drawing their final game will want to lose the penalty shoot out.

The European Teams should start their own tournament with 20 teams... invite 6 from South America and open up a competition for qualifiers for 6 from the rest of the world... or something similar with 48 teams.. make it all non-profit.. and tell FIFA they don't want anything to do with them.

Don't know why people are mentioning Scotland.. they couldn't qualify for a 24-team European tournament last year. They are currently 5th out of 6th in the World Cup Qualifiers... expanding the European qualifying places from 13 to 16 makes no difference to them at all.
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10 Jan 2017 17:20 #17 by pedals

ParcelPete wrote:

sirjimmyglass wrote:

pedals wrote:

ParcelPete wrote:

pedals wrote: I can't see how it's a good thing in the slightest. On the one hand it's meant to make the World Cup more accessible, but it's an elite football tournament - if you're not good enough, you're not good enough. It makes a further mockery of the whole qualification process and cheapens the footballing value of getting to the finals, but of course increases the financial value of the whole thing, which is all they really care about here.


Why not make the F A Cup only for the best 32 teams then.


Because the World Cup is designed as an elite tournament and the best 32 teams play in the finals as a result of a two-year long qualifying campaign to determine who plays there on merit. Domestic cup competitions are designed to include teams from right the way down the pyramid and ultimately end up with the best 32 teams in the latter stages anyway, with a few anomalies each year. They're two different systems that work well on their own and don't need to be altered.


Quite amazing that you had to spell out the difference there. The magic of the FA Cup is that in theory you or I could end up playing for our local club against Premier League teams in front of tens of thousands of people. The magic of the World Cup is that it is a collection of the world's best teams, pitting it out against each other, not the best teams and anyone who can beat Andorra and San Marino in qualifying.


You could just as well say the magic of the World cup is that a Postman from Gibralter could play against Brazil in front of tens of thousands.


Nations like San Marino and Lichtenstein get to play in front of tens of thousands every qualifying campaign anyway and they lose 5 or 6-0 more often than not. Whilst you could say it would be 'magic' to watch them lose 6-0 to Brazil on a sweaty afternoon in Bahrain or wherever, it does nothing to increase the standard of football and narrow the disparity. Not that those kind of teams will get through, but you know what I mean. All that will happen is the same teams will do well, the teams that wouldn't have been there will get knocked out and the rich get richer. Let's not pretend this decision has anything to do with football.

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10 Jan 2017 17:55 #18 by Armo
Absolutely crazy.

IF Andorra get there on merit, they should enjoy the experience, not get there because the competition is open to every man and his dog - fly half way around the world, setup a base camp, fans fly in and then it's all over after two games. Can these countries really afford that?

Also, with the WC in countries like Qatar, they'll need, say, 12 world class stadiums? 11 white elephants covered in tumbleweed and a national stadium? Not really much of a legacy that like. 48 base camps? Of course that won't be a problem.

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10 Jan 2017 19:03 #19 by franksidebottom
Just dilutes the competition in my eyes. Haven't read how the extra qualifying places will be distributed amongst continents but I'd imagine there'll be extra places for Asia and CONCACAF both of whos current final qualifying places are usually filled by crap countries meaning that even crapper countries will be there, great. Can't wait to see a country which Saudi Arabia beat in qualifying get dicked 10-0 by Germany.

This 3 team group is rubbish aswell. What's the chances you'll be able to pick the two teams to qualify from the majority of groups with ease. How will a group of Germany, Sweden and Bahrain with 2 to qualify be exciting?

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10 Jan 2017 20:04 #20 by Wukkie
I can only express my feelings about expansion with one symbol - $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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10 Jan 2017 23:50 #21 by loser
It'll make it more embarrassing for England when we get beat by even smaller countries than Iceland. Should be a laugh.

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11 Jan 2017 07:47 #22 by DeckchairBlue
People are being short sighted if they think its only for financial reasons.

It's a massive power grab by Infantino to make sure the smaller nations vote for him on mass at the next elections and he can secure his place at the top.

People thought there would be change once Blatter left, but it's just as corrupt and always will be.
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14 Jan 2017 21:01 #23 by Wukkie
Who are these people who thought there would be change? I haven't met anyone yet.

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