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Beer 06 Jan 2017 19:19 #1

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When I was a young lad many years ago most of the spots up the town served pissy lager like Castlemaine XXXX and you struggled to find a decent pint in many places.
These days you are spoilt with all these craft beers and that as well as a seeming rise in availability of more traditional ales.
Suppose I'm getting old but they are nice like.
The Beehive is a classic example of this, as is Wetherspoons.
If this could be tapped into more effectively at Brunton Park that would be a vote winner.
Even if it was just one area of the ground ie probably the East Stand, then if you not bothered about this you can pay less to go in the paddock etc and know it goes with the territory.
I don't think you go mad and get wasted as its more about the enjoyment than the effect , so it seems entirely responsible to me.

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You could put the best beer in the world in the east stand ,unless you dramatically improve the service and waiting time it would be a waste of time.

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Been there done it 6 years back for a while and it stopped for some reason in the sunset....used polypins and that was actually decent . Tbh most fans are happy to go elsewhere these days before the match..the club will need to do summet really special to get them back and to stay, but not in its current state.....

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Service is one thing looking after beer is a completely different science. Serving it once a fortnight is not practical and very bad for the beer. Bottles are the only way forward, there are some really good beers and lagers with a very good shelf life, no kegs, no lines to keep clean and quick service even for numbnuts! Obviously there will be other opinions, but that's mine
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Gundog you are correct that bottled ales can be quickly knocked out to customers but i dread to think how much they will hoy on the prices.. i know some folk just drink owt put in front of them but more folk actually want something decent for their money... its a 2 way thing,serve decent beer to the customers and you will keep them...sadly this isnt a very good concept used at brunton park

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Jennings Cumberland Ale, £3-60 per bottle in the Sunset suite.
Absolute rip off.

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You can't beat a pint of Fosters :blink: .
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Don't see the attraction of Beer myself,give me a glass of Red any day.

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Goldschmidt wrote: Jennings Cumberland Ale, £3-60 per bottle in the Sunset suite.
Absolute rip off.

1.25 in lidl

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markredfox73 wrote:

Goldschmidt wrote: Jennings Cumberland Ale, £3-60 per bottle in the Sunset suite.
Absolute rip off.

1.25 in lidl

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Surely worth paying the extra for the ambience.
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ParcelPete wrote: Don't see the attraction of Beer myself,give me a glass of Red any day.


Maybe a wine bar in the Warwick, next to the pissers?
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markredfox73 wrote:

Goldschmidt wrote: Jennings Cumberland Ale, £3-60 per bottle in the Sunset suite.
Absolute rip off.

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Surely worth paying the extra for the ambience.


Especially at only £2.35 a bottle.

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Goldschmidt wrote: Jennings Cumberland Ale, £3-60 per bottle in the Sunset suite.
Absolute rip off.


Costs about that much for a pint of it on tap in The Bush in Cockermouth.

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If its rip off you want my daughter had her xmas netball team party at pizza express near us me and mrs went and sat at a table just to have a chat with some other parents while the kids had a party meal i was gonna have a coke but mrs said have a drink why dont you,so i got a bottle of perroni well it went down nice so had another two thinking nowt of it until i went to pay and it was 6.95 a friggin bottle its lager ffs 21 fking quid




so i took a pepper grinder home on way out ;)
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Zebby wrote: If its rip off you want my daughter had her xmas netball team party at pizza express near us me and mrs went and sat at a table just to have a chat with some other parents while the kids had a party meal i was gonna have a coke but mrs said have a drink why dont you,so i got a bottle of perroni well it went down nice so had another two thinking nowt of it until i went to pay and it was 6.95 a friggin bottle its lager ffs 21 fking quid




so i took a pepper grinder home on way out ;)


Clearly went for the big 660ml bottles.

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Aye Pizza Express is well known for being ridiculously expensive for drink.

Bottles of ale at 3.50 would be much preferable and quicker and easier to store than pints of shit lager at the same cost to the consumer.

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Zebby wrote: If its rip off you want my daughter had her xmas netball team party at pizza express near us me and mrs went and sat at a table just to have a chat with some other parents while the kids had a party meal i was gonna have a coke but mrs said have a drink why dont you,so i got a bottle of perroni well it went down nice so had another two thinking nowt of it until i went to pay and it was 6.95 a friggin bottle its lager ffs 21 fking quid




so i took a pepper grinder home on way out ;)


Clearly went for the big 660ml bottles.


only a pint though at end of day..

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Those peroni bottles are always 3 for 5 quid in supermarkets. (And no doubt even cheaper elsewhere for restaurants). 400% mark up is some going!

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Some bargains to be had... on this beer list..found in Nottingham last week

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Did you try the Firestone Walker Mark ?
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markredfox73 wrote: Been there done it 6 years back for a while and it stopped for some reason in the sunset....used polypins and that was actually decent . Tbh most fans are happy to go elsewhere these days before the match..the club will need to do summet really special to get them back and to stay, but not in its current state.....

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I asked a couple of years back and I don't think it was answered.
are there any legal reasons or requirements for a football club to have its grounds vacated as a match ends? you have a captive audience for those few hours so why not offer something so as to make them stay and drink your beer as opposed to going into town and spending their cash elsewhere.

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markredfox73 wrote: Been there done it 6 years back for a while and it stopped for some reason in the sunset....used polypins and that was actually decent . Tbh most fans are happy to go elsewhere these days before the match..the club will need to do summet really special to get them back and to stay, but not in its current state.....

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I asked a couple of years back and I don't think it was answered.
are there any legal reasons or requirements for a football club to have its grounds vacated as a match ends? you have a captive audience for those few hours so why not offer something so as to make them stay and drink your beer as opposed to going into town and spending their cash elsewhere.


At Walsall they have The Saddlers Club that is on the club grounds and is frequently rammed so I would guess that if you have a licence you could do it without any hassle.

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Zebby wrote: Did you try the Firestone Walker Mark ?

Its the kind of spot you may need a credit card if you want summet fancy likecthat beer menu, having said the regular ales and ciders are reasonably priced and were a great choice in the Canalhouse pub.

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Cracking pub that Mark.

I paid 3.65 for a third yesterday.

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www.oneeyedrat.com/beers.php

We go here when we go Ripon races with work I love this pub has a good half dozen guest beers usually too

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Zebby wrote: Did you try the Firestone Walker Mark ?

Its the kind of spot you may need a credit card if you want summet fancy likecthat beer menu, having said the regular ales and ciders are reasonably priced and were a great choice in the Canalhouse pub.

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Standard sort of prices at a craft pub, most will have a list of the higher end beers but still have quite a few more reasonably priced on.

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Who the f uck pays £27 for a pint of real ale?
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Dancingbear wrote: Who the f uck pays £27 for a pint of real ale?


Richard Branson?
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If I was a millionaire I still wouldn't pay 27 pund for a pint

I might not moan as much though about paying 6.95 at pizza express
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Dancingbear wrote: Who the f uck pays £27 for a pint of real ale?


It's not a pint of real ale though is it, it's a bottle and stuff like that is produced in very limited quantities.

It's not the sort of stuff that you would just neck and would be more like a bottle of wine.

Craft beer enthusiasts are willing to pay for that, granted that is on the higher end.

Similar to the high ABV stuff that breweries like BrewDog do which are meant to be drank more like a whisky.

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Dancingbear wrote: Who the f uck pays £27 for a pint of real ale?


It's not a pint of real ale though is it, it's a bottle and stuff like that is produced in very limited quantities.

It's not the sort of stuff that you would just neck and would be more like a bottle of wine.

Craft beer enthusiasts are willing to pay for that, granted that is on the higher end.

Similar to the high ABV stuff that breweries like BrewDog do which are meant to be drank more like a whisky.



I find it all a bit snobbish

Beer isn't meant to be drunk like whiskey or wine and I don't mind paying a bit extra for something special now and then but I can buy a nice bottle of Brandy or Rum for the price of some of those beers

I cant see them being any better than something you can get for a fiver

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Dancingbear wrote: Who the f uck pays £27 for a pint of real ale?


It's not a pint of real ale though is it, it's a bottle and stuff like that is produced in very limited quantities.

It's not the sort of stuff that you would just neck and would be more like a bottle of wine.

Craft beer enthusiasts are willing to pay for that, granted that is on the higher end.

Similar to the high ABV stuff that breweries like BrewDog do which are meant to be drank more like a whisky.


Forgive me but in the write up underneath it says massively drinkable. It doesnt say say sip it like a fanny. I admit i dont get all this craft beer shit although im quite partial to the odd bottle of real ale. Would want quite a few bottles of it though for £27
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You get some nice beers in Wetherspoons for £2-3 per pint though it can be a bit like Russian Roulette.
When you go to major sporting events generally, or concerts or whatever, the service is usually bad and the quality of food and drink is terrible.
Even the much raved about Morecambe had a choice of Carlsberg or Carlsberg from what I can remember.

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Zebby wrote:

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Dancingbear wrote: Who the f uck pays £27 for a pint of real ale?


It's not a pint of real ale though is it, it's a bottle and stuff like that is produced in very limited quantities.

It's not the sort of stuff that you would just neck and would be more like a bottle of wine.

Craft beer enthusiasts are willing to pay for that, granted that is on the higher end.

Similar to the high ABV stuff that breweries like BrewDog do which are meant to be drank more like a whisky.



I find it all a bit snobbish

Beer isn't meant to be drunk like whiskey or wine and I don't mind paying a bit extra for something special now and then but I can buy a nice bottle of Brandy or Rum for the price of some of those beers

I cant see them being any better than something you can get for a fiver


Who says it isn't supposed to be ? There's beers out there at 40% that you certainly wouldn't wanna drink quickly.

All down to personal taste isn't it. The people who will buy that would likely buy it instead of a bottle of spirits.

The range of beer now is a vast market so there's just about something for everybody, most craft stuff is more expensive because it is produced on a relatively small scale and they tend to be more labour intensive and use more expensive ingredients when compared mega-breweries.

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Gundog wrote: Service is one thing looking after beer is a completely different science. Serving it once a fortnight is not practical and very bad for the beer. Bottles are the only way forward, there are some really good beers and lagers with a very good shelf life, no kegs, no lines to keep clean and quick service even for numbnuts! Obviously there will be other opinions, but that's mine


Why do you have to look after the beer in between games? Can they not just get a keg in before every match? Surely they could sell a kegs worth on a matchday.

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A mate of mine reckons that Wetherspoons buy beer which is very close to or even past its sell by date and having tried quite a few different beers in their pubs I must agree. Some of them which I have tried elsewhere taste awful.

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Arragorn wrote: A mate of mine reckons that Wetherspoons buy beer which is very close to or even past its sell by date and having tried quite a few different beers in their pubs I must agree. Some of them which I have tried elsewhere taste awful.


Thats a fallacy that i.m sure Matt will confirm yes they may be willing to accept shorter dated stock than is sent to other quieter pubs because being as busy as they are they know they will sell it well before its date which by the way on keg beer is almost meaningless so long as its stored at the right and constant temperatire

An old story used to be about Butlins where people used to say it was where the countrys supply of going off beer ended up when nothing could have been further from the truth they actually didnt buy most of their main bands in kegs it was brewed specifically for them and delivered in tankers and was stored in massive stainless steel tanks and they got the maximum discount from the volume they bought and the simplicity with which massive amounts that could be delivered in one go with no man handling by one man and his tanker. Larger Working mens clubs had a similar system on a slightly smaller scale.

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Gundog wrote: Service is one thing looking after beer is a completely different science. Serving it once a fortnight is not practical and very bad for the beer. Bottles are the only way forward, there are some really good beers and lagers with a very good shelf life, no kegs, no lines to keep clean and quick service even for numbnuts! Obviously there will be other opinions, but that's mine


Why do you have to look after the beer in between games? Can they not just get a keg in before every match? Surely they could sell a kegs worth on a matchday.


Cask oxidises. Definitely won't last. I certainly wouldnt be drinking a beer that's been sitting in pipes for two weeks. Used to go in Sporting Inn at midday. Took a whole round back. Lager and bitter you couldn't see through,brown Guinness and WKD that was 8 months out of date.

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Gundog wrote: Service is one thing looking after beer is a completely different science. Serving it once a fortnight is not practical and very bad for the beer. Bottles are the only way forward, there are some really good beers and lagers with a very good shelf life, no kegs, no lines to keep clean and quick service even for numbnuts! Obviously there will be other opinions, but that's mine


Why do you have to look after the beer in between games? Can they not just get a keg in before every match? Surely they could sell a kegs worth on a matchday.


If they want real ale that comes in casks and it has to be looked after the whole way through the process, it's very easy for it to go bad through poor cellarmanship.

There's also the conundrum of how much to order, order too little and you may find people like it and you run out, too much and you could have a whole cask of wastage, hence why a lot of clubs are moving towards bottles.

You'd think if they are only buying the occasional cask their margins will be crap so it wouldn't be worth it.

I'd also think their current tie in with Heineken may limit what they can do.

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All this would be irrelevant as if as at most clubs we had an outlet that was selling amounts of draught beer 365 days a year as other clubs do as that way all stock thats needed to be could be collected from the various sales points and returned to and sold from the mother outlet on a needs most first basis to cut any wastage to virtually nil.

The wastage issue isnt what it used to be with the universal use now of microbore pipes and that can be reduced to almost zero if the outlet is being managed by someone who knows what theyre doing rather than some spotty faced student.

The biggest problem with bottled "cask" beers is that for football grounds they would i imagine need to be in plastic bottles and most small breweries dont have the facility to bottle themselves and send it off to a contract bottlers and i would imagine only the larger more expensive plants who wouldnt be interested in small runs have the eqpt that would allow them to do plastic instead of glass bottles.

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Of there is a rule of no glass, couldn't that he got around by pouring the bottled beer into plastic pint glasses ?

I've been to a few couple of non-league grounds who have do that.

Our club seems to be a strange one with the facilities, most clubs try to make themselves the centre of the communities and encourage people to come and have a drink or something to eat throughout the week, whereas CUFC seem to treat customers as the enemy.
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Bottles & cans, if it's good enough for Brian Potter...

That craft beer is [censored] vile by the way. :sick:
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High Street wrote:

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Gundog wrote: Service is one thing looking after beer is a completely different science. Serving it once a fortnight is not practical and very bad for the beer. Bottles are the only way forward, there are some really good beers and lagers with a very good shelf life, no kegs, no lines to keep clean and quick service even for numbnuts! Obviously there will be other opinions, but that's mine


Why do you have to look after the beer in between games? Can they not just get a keg in before every match? Surely they could sell a kegs worth on a matchday.


Cask oxidises. Definitely won't last. I certainly wouldnt be drinking a beer that's been sitting in pipes for two weeks. Used to go in Sporting Inn at midday. Took a whole round back. Lager and bitter you couldn't see through,brown Guinness and WKD that was 8 months out of date.


It wouldn't have been sitting in the pipes for 2 weeks because it's only been delivered the day before. Get a keg in on a Friday, sell on a Saturday, clean pipes on a Saturday night and then repeat the process every fortnight.

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franksidebottom wrote:

High Street wrote:

franksidebottom wrote:

Gundog wrote: Service is one thing looking after beer is a completely different science. Serving it once a fortnight is not practical and very bad for the beer. Bottles are the only way forward, there are some really good beers and lagers with a very good shelf life, no kegs, no lines to keep clean and quick service even for numbnuts! Obviously there will be other opinions, but that's mine


Why do you have to look after the beer in between games? Can they not just get a keg in before every match? Surely they could sell a kegs worth on a matchday.


Cask oxidises. Definitely won't last. I certainly wouldnt be drinking a beer that's been sitting in pipes for two weeks. Used to go in Sporting Inn at midday. Took a whole round back. Lager and bitter you couldn't see through,brown Guinness and WKD that was 8 months out of date.


It wouldn't have been sitting in the pipes for 2 weeks because it's only been delivered the day before. Get a keg in on a Friday, sell on a Saturday, clean pipes on a Saturday night and then repeat the process every fortnight.


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Mashie Niblick wrote: Bottles & cans, if it's good enough for Brian Potter...

That craft beer is [censored] vile by the way. :sick:


Balls to the brewery!

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"Craft"...means gimmick to charge folk through the earth..
Not for me i will stick to handpulled real ale.

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markredfox73 wrote: "Craft"...means gimmick to charge folk through the earth..
Not for me i will stick to handpulled real ale.

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It doesn't but whatever, presumably your a CAMRA member.

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franksidebottom wrote:

High Street wrote:

franksidebottom wrote:

Gundog wrote: Service is one thing looking after beer is a completely different science. Serving it once a fortnight is not practical and very bad for the beer. Bottles are the only way forward, there are some really good beers and lagers with a very good shelf life, no kegs, no lines to keep clean and quick service even for numbnuts! Obviously there will be other opinions, but that's mine


Why do you have to look after the beer in between games? Can they not just get a keg in before every match? Surely they could sell a kegs worth on a matchday.


Cask oxidises. Definitely won't last. I certainly wouldnt be drinking a beer that's been sitting in pipes for two weeks. Used to go in Sporting Inn at midday. Took a whole round back. Lager and bitter you couldn't see through,brown Guinness and WKD that was 8 months out of date.


It wouldn't have been sitting in the pipes for 2 weeks because it's only been delivered the day before. Get a keg in on a Friday, sell on a Saturday, clean pipes on a Saturday night and then repeat the process every fortnight.


And what are you going to do if youve only sold half of it and the rest is left sitting the lines and Cask ?

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Zebby wrote: If its rip off you want my daughter had her xmas netball team party at pizza express near us me and mrs went and sat at a table just to have a chat with some other parents while the kids had a party meal i was gonna have a coke but mrs said have a drink why dont you,so i got a bottle of perroni well it went down nice so had another two thinking nowt of it until i went to pay and it was 6.95 a friggin bottle its lager ffs 21 fking quid




so i took a pepper grinder home on way out ;)


Clearly went for the big 660ml bottles.


only a pint though at end of day..


Not unless a pint is about 15% bigger than they used to be nowadays. Not saying that those prices are reasonable, but a 330ml bottle is not far off the price of a pint of comparative lager in most pubs, so a bottle twice the size is going to be pretty pricey.

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A pint is 568 ml and I would be aggrieved if any pint I had paid for was 238ml short

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