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13 Sep 2017 08:38 #1 by Lakelandterrier
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Form vs his talk, for me he has to go.

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13 Sep 2017 08:45 #2 by a66blue
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Agreed he is clueless

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13 Sep 2017 09:08 #3 by pedals
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I just can't see him turning this around now. All teams have runs of bad form, that's to be expected, but as has been said time and time again, this has been going on since Christmas and it's now the middle of September the following year. Some of the players who were here during our horrendous run last season have gone and been replaced by new ones (Mark Gillespie for Bonham/George being the best example), and we're still getting the same results.

Our summer recruitment this year was really poor compared to the previous year and whilst it's been well documented that we're struggling financially, Curle has to work with what he has, which is still a lot more than other teams in this league who are far more competitive than we are at the moment. I'm not sure the dressing room is behind him because the current run of defeats aren't just narrow losses where we've been unlucky to lose, they're by big margins like it was towards the end of Abbott's tenure and during the entirety of Kavanagh's. 6 different players played yesterday and it was another really poor performance. I don't think Curle has a clear plan because if he was so confident in what he was doing, he wouldn't need to change things around every week. I didn't think we were bottom half/relegation candidates but we're playing that way and we're in a mess.

I've no idea who would replace him if he were to leave. I'd hope that the board wouldn't be stupid enough to promote someone from within, but who knows. What's clear is that this really isn't working now and something has to change. I very much doubt Curle would walk as he knows that he hasn't pulled up trees anywhere else and was out of work for a couple of years before we appointed him. For all the touting himself around last season, he knows this is possibly last chance saloon for him in club management and he needs to get it right. I can't see the board sacking him either as he'll be able to leave for nothing in the summer, so they'll most likely hang on until then. It's a worrying time and I can't see anything changing soon.
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13 Sep 2017 10:19 #4 by Deano19
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If he had a big squad i would maybe give him more time but 7 games in and he has tried every formation, Every player which way and still doesn't have a clue what his best side is or what the base of his side should be.

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13 Sep 2017 10:27 #5 by shaldon1
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I do think everyone is much to premature in wanting KC to go.With the squad we have mid table is best we can hope for and that is attainable. These are early days and given time I am sure it can be turned round.
Question for Laffy. Could PD sell the loan to someone else. I ask because he lives in Dubai he could have some very wealthy connections.

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13 Sep 2017 10:30 #6 by Markovitch
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We are currently below Yeovil, a team captained by James Bailey.

Pedals hit the nail on the head. I don't have any confidence he can turn this round. My fear is that the good players like Adams, Jones and Tom Miller will put in transfer requests. Curle will be given the money plus a hundred grand by the ever understanding Jenkins and he'll blow that as well. I would give Curle until 30 October, if we are not in or round 7th by then thank you and goodnight. Jenks will give him a new contract though
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13 Sep 2017 10:45 #7 by Laffy
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I doubt they will have the cash to sack him!

I would leave him intact and stick with him-we have had worse

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13 Sep 2017 10:55 #8 by sussexrob
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Laffy is right, they cannot afford to sack him. Unfortunately we are stuck with him for the forseeable. Do not rate him personally, never have , but prepared to give him the benefit earlier this season, trouble is he seems to have lost the dressing room, and not sure how he can get them back playing like they are capable of. I actually think the squad is not bad, he just cannot figure out who and how to play, needs the balls to drop Adams, and only pick players that are 100% fit.

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13 Sep 2017 10:59 #9 by Markovitch
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His contract expires in the summer? At best he could hope to receive £50k to pay up his contract. Worse case scenario is that he wins a tribunal case where he gets the maximum £74200, the club can plead poverty and pay him that over 2 years after the Henning Berg case. He also has to pay his own legal fees thanks to Theresa May. They can take away first team management duties and give those to Edmondson, put Curle in charge of scouting the Southern Counties League.

Its not just players who can be made to train with the u16s. Its a results game and he's not performing, surely for the club this is better than giving him money to spend which he wastes

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13 Sep 2017 11:20 #10 by Mullen103
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Laffy wrote: I doubt they will have the cash to sack him!

I would leave him intact and stick with him-we have had worse


If your group took over and were in this position, how long would you give him to turn it around?

We can't afford to sack him, we may in the not too distant future can't afford not to sack him. I'd give him Saturday at least but if there's no choice but to sack him, it will likely be Edmondson. It's a sad situation.

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13 Sep 2017 11:36 #11 by sirjimmyglass
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Deano19 wrote: If he had a big squad i would maybe give him more time but 7 games in and he has tried every formation, Every player which way and still doesn't have a clue what his best side is or what the base of his side should be.


This is one of the things that annoys me the most. He's not interested in his best team. He's interested in which team he thinks will stop the opposition from playing, so our best 11 is going to, and always will change.

I'm not a fan of chopping and changing managers just for the sake of it, because there is nothing to say that the grass will be greener with someone else at the helm. But this can only go on for so long and it's getting pretty tiresome. At the start of last season I was looking forward to going to the games and expecting us to do well; I feel like I'm back to going to games because I feel like I should now.
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13 Sep 2017 11:50 #12 by Deano19
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I get what some are saying about would a new manager be any better but I would like a manager that is at least going to try and play attractive football & let me enjoy watching a game of football & get my moneys worth.

I don't mind post Christmas how results come because 3 points can make a huge difference at that stage but we are 7 games in and the only game i have properly came away after enjoying the 90 mins are the league cup games. But if you are trying to scrape points and stop the opposition's tactics at this early stage then we are in for a long season.

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13 Sep 2017 12:54 #13 by Laffy
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I would give him the benefit of the doubt and at least another month.He did a great job in turning things round and deserves some support and loyalty.With no budget,any new guy will need to work with what he has and I don't think he has lost the players either.Their body language says otherwise.

Marko-the club has been here several times recently with affordability of the axe.Its a difficult one.

I would give KC time but that's just my personal view.
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13 Sep 2017 13:17 #14 by Lakelandterrier
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Laffy wrote: I would give him the benefit of the doubt and at least another month.He did a great job in turning things round and deserves some support and loyalty.With no budget,any new guy will need to work with what he has and I don't think he has lost the players either.Their body language says otherwise.

Marko-the club has been here several times recently with affordability of the axe.Its a difficult one.

I would give KC time but that's just my personal view.


He has had 3 years to sort out schoolboy defending. We are still poor as a defensive unit.
We have no set pattern of play. No system which the players do week in week out. It changes far too much, we hoofed the ball up for second half of last season and failed.
Too many defeats already this season.
There is no fight. No pride. Same excuses from
Players and Curle.
It needs to change.

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13 Sep 2017 13:24 #15 by franksidebottom
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Personally I feel Curle has built a decent squad over the last year or so. Only last week folk were commenting on the strength of our bench and the first 17/18 are more than capable of challenging at the top end of the division in my eyes. However, for one reason or another it just isn't happening, whether that's down to the manager, the style of play, the tactics or the players not playing for Curle I don't know but the manner of these last few defeats smacks of the latter and in such situations there's only ever one loser.

One of the strengths of Curle's time here and something which has pulled us through on a fair few occasions has been the spirit and battling, never say die attitude. We were going behind in games, sometimes by more than one goal and you still got the feeling we would win, we were scoring late late goals to win games, we were winning games and getting good away points with 10 men. These qualities would often make up for the team's limitations, perhaps even papering over the cracks but they were serving us well. However, over the last 9 months the battling qualities seem to have slowly diminished which are exposing the team's limitations to a point where we are getting soundly beat without as much as a whimper. Once the spirit goes you're struggling.

The team still has quality as was shown against Sunderland and the first half against Mansfield but these are outweighed by inept performances like last night and Saturday.

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13 Sep 2017 13:56 #16 by Wukkie
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It doesn't take long for some folk to get the knives out. They must have been sharpening them in anticipation for the first bad run we had this season. I predicted this is the season he'd leave by November and it seems the end is nigh but people want to look at the club and have a look who would replace him (Edmo) and ask yourselves would we be any better off?

Yes we've had a poor start but that's all it is. I expected us to finish around mid-table with the poor recruitment and the players who have left so our position is of no surprise to me. We won't go up or down and the Manager is delivering exactly what the BOD want, a nice comfortable L2 position.
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13 Sep 2017 14:03 #17 by NORTHERNSOUL
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I wouldnt sack him just yet

But to say we cant afford to sack him is crap you just relieve him off his duties bring someone else in and carry on paying him to sit at home no big sum to find just the ability to pay the new guys wages each week in addition

For me the bigger issue would be how many of the backroom staff would you send with him West ? Dykes ? Tracey ? Fearn ? Thats when it starts to get expensive if you put them all on leave and then replace them.

I said it not long after Curle arrived that what was missing from the set up was a proper coach with years of experience of doing just that. How the hell can you be the coach all week then not sit in the dug out during a match ? What we.re short of is an Arthur Cox to Bob Stokoe or a Peter Taylor to Brian Clough.

I believe that the bits of the job Curle does well he does very well but he and the rest of his team are sadly lacking in the ability to actually coach the players to play better. to teach the players to get better to coach them in set routines to coach them to to negate the opposition in other words go back to basics drop the fancy new statistics and theories crap this is league 2 for fucks sake yes league 2 where football is played on the grass and not on a laptop.

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13 Sep 2017 14:05 - 13 Sep 2017 14:06 #18 by Deano19
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13 Sep 2017 14:27 #19 by Bluesmad
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It's all good and well saying sack him but who the hell are we going to get to replace him? Pointless sacking him at this stage. If there is going to be a managerial change do it at the end of the season.

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13 Sep 2017 14:37 #20 by franksidebottom
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I'd much prefer Gavin Skelton to Edmondson.

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13 Sep 2017 14:39 - 13 Sep 2017 14:43 #21 by Deano19
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I think we'd be surprised by the amount of people who would want to do it, Had plenty of managers stating they would like to work with a budget like ours

People forget how close we were to a return for McDonald last time had he not demanded silly wages.
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13 Sep 2017 15:07 #22 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Deano19 wrote: I think we'd be surprised by the amount of people who would want to do it, Had plenty of managers stating they would like to work with a budget like ours

People forget how close we were to a return for McDonald last time had he not demanded silly wages.


Or Story made that lunchtime dash across town to stick his oar in

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13 Sep 2017 15:09 #23 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Bluesmad wrote: It's all good and well saying sack him but who the hell are we going to get to replace him? Pointless sacking him at this stage. If there is going to be a managerial change do it at the end of the season.


The obvious candidate is sat twiddling his thumbs doing nothing worthwhile at the seaside

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13 Sep 2017 15:12 #24 by Markovitch
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Wukkie wrote: It doesn't take long for some folk to get the knives out. They must have been sharpening them in anticipation for the first bad run we had this season. I predicted this is the season he'd leave by November and it seems the end is nigh but people want to look at the club and have a look who would replace him (Edmo) and ask yourselves would we be any better off?

Yes we've had a poor start but that's all it is. I expected us to finish around mid-table with the poor recruitment and the players who have left so our position is of no surprise to me. We won't go up or down and the Manager is delivering exactly what the BOD want, a nice comfortable L2 position.


As opposed to the people who were sharpening their knives to blame the Board?

The budget is in or around the play off positions, the team isn't. So why blame Jenkins?
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13 Sep 2017 15:17 #25 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Markovitch wrote:

Wukkie wrote: It doesn't take long for some folk to get the knives out. They must have been sharpening them in anticipation for the first bad run we had this season. I predicted this is the season he'd leave by November and it seems the end is nigh but people want to look at the club and have a look who would replace him (Edmo) and ask yourselves would we be any better off?

Yes we've had a poor start but that's all it is. I expected us to finish around mid-table with the poor recruitment and the players who have left so our position is of no surprise to me. We won't go up or down and the Manager is delivering exactly what the BOD want, a nice comfortable L2 position.


As opposed to the people who were sharpening their knives to blame the Board?

The budget is in or around the play off positions, the team isn't. So why blame Jenkins?


Because Jenkins answer as usual will be to sit there and do or say nothing

Well whether the required action is bunging 250k in or sacking Curle or somthing else what isnt the answer is to sit there and do or say nowt

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13 Sep 2017 16:03 - 13 Sep 2017 16:04 #26 by CCU
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Our next four games are these...

Barnet (H)
Crewe (A)
Stevenage (H)
Crawley (A)

If we've a total of under 13pts (We're on 7 currently) at 5pm on 30th September, then he should be gone.

Four entirely winnable games against opposition we should be beating.

A fair period to sort the current run of form IMO.

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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13 Sep 2017 16:25 #27 by pacirv
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Wouldn't matter who our manager is as long as we have our present owners there's only one way the club is going and it ain't up.
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13 Sep 2017 16:54 #28 by sirjimmyglass
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We should have gone up last season, despite who owns the club.
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13 Sep 2017 17:07 #29 by munchymagic
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Some bed wetting to the extreme here, the season has only just started.

We still have players out injured/just coming back and just look at the board that Keith has to work with.

With the current rumblings we will be lucky to finish third bottom considering at this rate the players will probably be playing for nothing at that stage.

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13 Sep 2017 17:27 #30 by thetashkentterror
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O'Sullivan the only player injured?

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13 Sep 2017 17:30 #31 by munchymagic
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Kennedy and Etuhu just coming back yesterday and the perma-unfit Bennett....

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13 Sep 2017 17:57 #32 by Stamfordblue
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I certainly agree the current position has to be sorted but would sacking Curle achieve anything. Firstly the pay off would take funds away from any potential signings in January (don't laugh), second would another manager be able to improve things with the current squad particularly given its lack of depth and finally who would we end up with. If past experience is anything to go by it will be the cheapest option i.e. Edmundson or similar.

I doubt anything would change if Curle left as the real problem is the board and lack of investment and that ain't gonna change anytime soon.

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13 Sep 2017 18:41 #33 by Markovitch
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munchymagic wrote: Some bed wetting to the extreme here, the season has only just started.

We still have players out injured/just coming back and just look at the board that Keith has to work with.

With the current rumblings we will be lucky to finish third bottom considering at this rate the players will probably be playing for nothing at that stage.


Munch man do we really have to keep doing this?? He gets a higher proportion of the turnover given to him to sign players than 20 other managers in the division. The weakness of the board in the past is that they have been too loyal, keeping Abbott and Kavanagh way past their sell by dates. I can't imagine a better board for an underachieving manager to work for.

And isn't the fact that we had so many players injured before the season started a sign of weakness in the football management? Better fitness training should mean less injuries, not 25% of the first team squad out for a couple of months.

The board is a dream for him to work with
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13 Sep 2017 22:56 #34 by munchymagic
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Markovitch wrote:

munchymagic wrote: Some bed wetting to the extreme here, the season has only just started.

We still have players out injured/just coming back and just look at the board that Keith has to work with.

With the current rumblings we will be lucky to finish third bottom considering at this rate the players will probably be playing for nothing at that stage.


Munch man do we really have to keep doing this?? He gets a higher proportion of the turnover given to him to sign players than 20 other managers in the division. The weakness of the board in the past is that they have been too loyal, keeping Abbott and Kavanagh way past their sell by dates. I can't imagine a better board for an underachieving manager to work for.

And isn't the fact that we had so many players injured before the season started a sign of weakness in the football management? Better fitness training should mean less injuries, not 25% of the first team squad out for a couple of months.

The board is a dream for him to work with


Is this the same board who allowed Keith so sign x players then realised that they didn't have the money to pay their wages even before Christmas arrived, what do you think that did for morale when Jenkins couldn't pay his staff??

You have a go at Laffy all the time Marko for having no money but check this lot in charge now, they don't have a pot to piss in, much to the extent that they had to 'borrow' the EWM piss pot.

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13 Sep 2017 23:11 #35 by munchymagic
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When you look at things in hindsight - no wonder Ellis was glad to piss off last January on loan to the 'inferior' Forest Green, the lure of regular paid wages to pay his mortgage must have been a great incentive.

Must have been gutted to return to our tinpot set up wondering if and when he will get paid by a bloke with twenty million quid burning away in his pocket.

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13 Sep 2017 23:24 - 13 Sep 2017 23:25 #36 by Mullen103
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Thing is Munchy we've heard rumours of players not getting paid but nothing from them themselves.

I heard the rumour last season bonuses were paid months late when they were promised before xmas but were still getting paid regular wages.

There's now rumours of players getting regular wages late, if that was the case I'd expect some to grumble announce it and Curle to use it as an excuse.

I've no idea the truth in the latest ones.
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13 Sep 2017 23:53 #37 by munchymagic
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Nah it's one of those things that you keep your trap shut about, no money means vultures come swooping over your players and it isn't professional to disclose, well I wouldn't anyhow.

We haven't got the eighth biggest budget or whatever in the league if we cannot afford to pay the players, all fur coat and no knickers springs to mind.

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14 Sep 2017 01:48 #38 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Take all this with a pinch of salt if wages and even bonuses [ if as is said they form a high percentage of a players monthly income ] wernt being paid or was being paid significantly late it would only take one player to report it to the pfa and very quickly it would become common knowledge in the game. Remember Morecambe last year the pfa made it public with the wages just 14 days late.

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14 Sep 2017 07:37 #39 by Markovitch
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munchymagic wrote: Some bed wetting to the extreme here, the season has only just started.

We still have players out injured/just coming back and just look at the board that Keith has to work with.

With the current rumblings we will be lucky to finish third bottom considering at this rate the players will probably be playing for nothing at that stage.


Munch man do we really have to keep doing this?? He gets a higher proportion of the turnover given to him to sign players than 20 other managers in the division. The weakness of the board in the past is that they have been too loyal, keeping Abbott and Kavanagh way past their sell by dates. I can't imagine a better board for an underachieving manager to work for.

And isn't the fact that we had so many players injured before the season started a sign of weakness in the football management? Better fitness training should mean less injuries, not 25% of the first team squad out for a couple of months.

The board is a dream for him to work with


Is this the same board who allowed Keith so sign x players then realised that they didn't have the money to pay their wages even before Christmas arrived, what do you think that did for morale when Jenkins couldn't pay his staff??

You have a go at Laffy all the time Marko for having no money but check this lot in charge now, they don't have a pot to piss in, much to the extent that they had to 'borrow' the EWM piss pot.


If wages hadn't been paid we would have had a transfer embargo, we just signed Bennett so I don't buy that at all.

There were obviously cash flow issues hence the threatened court cases but Jenkins went out and fund raised. I still don't get this idea that one guy goes out to raise funds, fails, but he is a hero, Jenkins shows how its done and hes a zero. Just doesn't make sense.

When Curle was on TV he said 'we are building something at Carlisle'. That is my bug bear, he's not. There is no consistent style of play or tactics, no strategy to games, no strategy to youth development, scouting or analytics. He just chucks shit on a wall and hopes some of it sticks.

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14 Sep 2017 08:59 #40 by wetheriggscufc
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We can't afford to be paying him and his staff until the end of the season as well as a new coaching team. So whether he should be or shouldn't be sacked is the tip of the iceberg.

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14 Sep 2017 09:03 #41 by CCU
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wetheriggscufc wrote: We can't afford to be paying him and his staff until the end of the season as well as a new coaching team. So whether he should be or shouldn't be sacked is the tip of the iceberg.


Something a lot of folk forget. It's not just Curle, it's the three amigos too...

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14 Sep 2017 09:16 #42 by seesaw50
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Markovitch wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

Markovitch wrote:

munchymagic wrote: Some bed wetting to the extreme here, the season has only just started.

We still have players out injured/just coming back and just look at the board that Keith has to work with.

With the current rumblings we will be lucky to finish third bottom considering at this rate the players will probably be playing for nothing at that stage.


Munch man do we really have to keep doing this?? He gets a higher proportion of the turnover given to him to sign players than 20 other managers in the division. The weakness of the board in the past is that they have been too loyal, keeping Abbott and Kavanagh way past their sell by dates. I can't imagine a better board for an underachieving manager to work for.

And isn't the fact that we had so many players injured before the season started a sign of weakness in the football management? Better fitness training should mean less injuries, not 25% of the first team squad out for a couple of months.

The board is a dream for him to work with


Is this the same board who allowed Keith so sign x players then realised that they didn't have the money to pay their wages even before Christmas arrived, what do you think that did for morale when Jenkins couldn't pay his staff??

You have a go at Laffy all the time Marko for having no money but check this lot in charge now, they don't have a pot to piss in, much to the extent that they had to 'borrow' the EWM piss pot.


If wages hadn't been paid we would have had a transfer embargo, we just signed Bennett so I don't buy that at all.

There were obviously cash flow issues hence the threatened court cases but Jenkins went out and fund raised. I still don't get this idea that one guy goes out to raise funds, fails, but he is a hero, Jenkins shows how its done and hes a zero. Just doesn't make sense.

When Curle was on TV he said 'we are building something at Carlisle'. That is my bug bear, he's not. There is no consistent style of play or tactics, no strategy to games, no strategy to youth development, scouting or analytics. He just chucks shit on a wall and hopes some of it sticks.


Last paragraph is harsh I'd say ....dip in form yes its come sooner rather than later this season.......have to keep it real and such statements help nobody .

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14 Sep 2017 09:21 #43 by Dancingbear
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seesaw50 wrote:

Markovitch wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

Markovitch wrote:

munchymagic wrote: Some bed wetting to the extreme here, the season has only just started.

We still have players out injured/just coming back and just look at the board that Keith has to work with.

With the current rumblings we will be lucky to finish third bottom considering at this rate the players will probably be playing for nothing at that stage.


Munch man do we really have to keep doing this?? He gets a higher proportion of the turnover given to him to sign players than 20 other managers in the division. The weakness of the board in the past is that they have been too loyal, keeping Abbott and Kavanagh way past their sell by dates. I can't imagine a better board for an underachieving manager to work for.

And isn't the fact that we had so many players injured before the season started a sign of weakness in the football management? Better fitness training should mean less injuries, not 25% of the first team squad out for a couple of months.

The board is a dream for him to work with


Is this the same board who allowed Keith so sign x players then realised that they didn't have the money to pay their wages even before Christmas arrived, what do you think that did for morale when Jenkins couldn't pay his staff??

You have a go at Laffy all the time Marko for having no money but check this lot in charge now, they don't have a pot to piss in, much to the extent that they had to 'borrow' the EWM piss pot.


If wages hadn't been paid we would have had a transfer embargo, we just signed Bennett so I don't buy that at all.

There were obviously cash flow issues hence the threatened court cases but Jenkins went out and fund raised. I still don't get this idea that one guy goes out to raise funds, fails, but he is a hero, Jenkins shows how its done and hes a zero. Just doesn't make sense.

When Curle was on TV he said 'we are building something at Carlisle'. That is my bug bear, he's not. There is no consistent style of play or tactics, no strategy to games, no strategy to youth development, scouting or analytics. He just chucks shit on a wall and hopes some of it sticks.


Last paragraph is harsh I'd say ....dip in form yes its come sooner rather than later this season.......have to keep it real and such statements help nobody .


There isn't usually a lot I agree with Marko on but I do on this. He's obsessed with picking a team to try and stop the opposition rather than focus on our own players and pick his strongest team. Having to make 6 changes after a defeat isn't the action of someone who's confident in the players he's signed.

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14 Sep 2017 11:09 #44 by Markovitch
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I wouldn't mind if they actually stopped the opposition from playing. The end of the Coventry game was a like a training session for them sweeping forward

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14 Sep 2017 14:21 #45 by Urban Designer
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This 'dip in form' has lasted since January! Is it 6 league wins in 2017?

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14 Sep 2017 14:53 #46 by Laffy
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I'm no hero Marko-it certainly doesn't feel like it at my end.History.

We have had a poor start to the season-after a pretty good couple of seasons.No need to panic yet and as you noted,it's too late for cash injections anyway so material squad manoeuvres are challenging.

The last thing the Club needs just now is fan desertion-and change to create the illusion of progress is never a good move either.There is no compelling reason to axe KC after a handful of games.A couple of wins and we will be back on the front foot.

I won't be there Saturday as away abroad but I would encourage all to get behind the team.

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14 Sep 2017 15:19 #47 by Mullen103
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote: Take all this with a pinch of salt if wages and even bonuses [ if as is said they form a high percentage of a players monthly income ] wernt being paid or was being paid significantly late it would only take one player to report it to the pfa and very quickly it would become common knowledge in the game. Remember Morecambe last year the pfa made it public with the wages just 14 days late.


I'm with you on this I think.

However i heard the bonuses thing of a lot of people, i'm not sure what the law states in terms of bonus pay if they were getting their regular pay. I presume it depends on the contracts, to what's in it.

But if the pay, as someone put, was 10 days late i'd imagine we would of heard a lot more about it.

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14 Sep 2017 16:05 - 14 Sep 2017 16:07 #48 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: I'm no hero Marko-it certainly doesn't feel like it at my end.History.

We have had a poor start to the season-after a pretty good couple of seasons.No need to panic yet and as you noted,it's too late for cash injections anyway so material squad manoeuvres are challenging.

The last thing the Club needs just now is fan desertion-and change to create the illusion of progress is never a good move either.There is no compelling reason to axe KC after a handful of games.A couple of wins and we will be back on the front foot.

I won't be there Saturday as away abroad but I would encourage all to get behind the team.


No Andrew Fan desertion is exactly what is needed

Do you really think nothing would happen if we had 3 sub 1k home attendances on the trot ? its called fan power and its the only thing Arsehole like Jenkins will listen to. In the meantime they.ll just do what theyre doing pandering to the four thousand mushrooms like you and cutting the budget to match the income available.

Cut the income to a level where they cant do that and change is inevitable sooner rather than later.

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14 Sep 2017 16:24 #49 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mullen103 wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote: Take all this with a pinch of salt if wages and even bonuses [ if as is said they form a high percentage of a players monthly income ] wernt being paid or was being paid significantly late it would only take one player to report it to the pfa and very quickly it would become common knowledge in the game. Remember Morecambe last year the pfa made it public with the wages just 14 days late.


I'm with you on this I think.

However i heard the bonuses thing of a lot of people, i'm not sure what the law states in terms of bonus pay if they were getting their regular pay. I presume it depends on the contracts, to what's in it.

But if the pay, as someone put, was 10 days late i'd imagine we would of heard a lot more about it.


Except that wages and most likley bonuses are paid by BACS and there only two ways for a BACS wages payment to fail and that s if the actual amount is required to be inputted [and theres no default amount set ] and if were talking about fixed wage amounts as per contracts and not variable bonus amounts that would be set at the start date of their contract to recur on say the 30th of the month the only way it would fail then would be if there wasnt the money in the account to cover it in which case it would pay out the amounts in could with whats in it until the account was empty.

Last year during the crisis at Morecambe one of their directors Rod Taylor explained why some people had been paid and some hadnt and it was down to the fact that the people whos amount was fixed and was just set to recur had been paid and those whose amounts varied each month and needed to be manually inputted hadnt as this hadnt been done as if things go legal inputting the amounts knowing you dont have the cash in the account to cover them is seen as an illegal act [ in the same way as writing a cheque knowing you didnt have the funds to cover it was ] and that makes sense if you think about it.

I personally do not believe for reputational reasons Andrew Jenkins would allow a months wages not to be paid and in addition were talking about the period here when the club is cash rich having just banked the season ticket money and the monies due from the FL PL and TV deals.

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14 Sep 2017 18:28 #50 by Laffy
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It's personal choice NS-I prefer to watch my team than any other.Im also not in boycott mood after only 7 matches-that's football and we have no more right than any other club to be in the top 3.Our budget probably merits a top 6 finish so on that basis,the issue at the moment lies with KC and the players.As Lummy said last night,they need a win to get some confidence back.

To be honest,the big picture stuff isn't going to change this season's on pitch activity.If anything,it's a distraction.Where the directors can make a difference now is engagement,improving match day stuff etc.This season,catering has been a total shambles but now sorted so they are listening.

Change at the top is inevitable-I think we just have to be patient.PD's involvement and loan makes this more likely in my view though I'm not of the view it will be him who executes a deal. More likely he can push through some sort of positive restructure.
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