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22 Sep 2018 11:05 - 22 Sep 2018 11:10 #1 by BoardAdmin
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CUSG have been working on a ‘wishlist’ of stuff to improve both the Matchday experience and the general look of things around Brunton Park.

This was started on before we were invited to the last Meeting, but has been forwarded for the next Agenda.

We’ve put the list below, and would like to know which items you think should be prioritised. Feedback and constructive criticism is welcomed. All given will be communicated when the wishlist is discussed.

It’s written in no particular order, and some items may have already had some bits and pieces started on.

Thanks,

Admin.


CUSG ‘WISHLIST’

- Fan Zone (West Stand) Umbrellas, Wall painting and barriers all sourced by Club.

- Fan Zone (West Stand) Branding, PA, seating, may be able to source used from Shepherds Inn via Chairman.

- Family Zone (East Stand) – improve signage and awareness of zone, for example, branding in section 7/8 as an official family zone seated area, plus any new equipment needed in here to update.

- Padded seat area in EWM stand – for hospitality guests on a match day. A specific area for them to sit. In line with other clubs. Improve match day experience.

- Sunset – TV rewiring, fan décor and extra seating.

- Sporting Inn - re-lamp the sunset, the up lighting is defunct and the bar lighting could be updated, new furniture.

- Paddock North catering outlets improvements – expand, shelving etc. In progress

- Warwick Road End – toilets and catering hut area behind stand.

- Tannoy/music system – we have a very old system where only CD’s can be played, needs updated, some stand speakers don’t work 100%.

- Technical systems in all bars and hospitality lounges, for example, Foxy’s Restaurant – install projector with HDMI ability and link projector with other screens in restaurant. Help with non-match day meetings and conferences. Sound system to be updated too, with microphones.

- Stewards vest-cams.

- A camera lens for Media

- Paint and decorate – stairs to Sunset.

- General branding in West Stand.

- Academy camera pole. Extendable height pole to film games and training for player/team review plus camcorder.

- Décor and make good sunset ladies and gents.

- Fan flags £300 per flag

- Disabled Away shelter.

- Disabled home – replace worn out mobile shelter Pioneer south.

- Disabled Home Paddock North Extend.

- Tarmac of executive car park pot holes.

- Improve supporters car park east side poor in winter.

- Large Flat Screen TV IN McConnells Bar.

- Warning lights etc east stand disabled toilets.

- Hospitality Boxes - Roof extractors.

- GPS vests and monitors.Tracks distances of players in training and matches.

- Mini goals X6 pairs.

- Resistance bands 1m long.

- Pair of full size goals.

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22 Sep 2018 11:52 - 22 Sep 2018 12:53 #2 by heilkmoon
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I’d be prioritising basic facilities like an away disabled shelter.

Branding, tarmacing the executive car park and padded seats for hospitality guests don’t sound like they should be at the top of the list for a supporters group to sort out.

Can’t EWM run to a few seat cushions in the stand they sponsor?
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22 Sep 2018 11:55 #3 by Dancingbear
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Tarmacing the executive carpark must be a piss take surely?

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22 Sep 2018 12:38 #4 by Mush
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BoardAdmin wrote: CUSG have been working on a ‘wishlist’ of stuff to improve both the Matchday experience and the general look of things around Brunton Park.

This was started on before we were invited to the last Meeting, but has been forwarded for the next Agenda.

We’ve put the list below, and would like to know which items you think should be prioritised. Feedback and constructive criticism is welcomed. All given will be communicated when the wishlist is discussed.

It’s written in no particular order, and some items may have already had some bits and pieces started on.

Thanks,

Admin.


CUSG ‘WISHLIST’

- Fan Zone (West Stand) Umbrellas, Wall painting and barriers all sourced by Club.

- Fan Zone (West Stand) Branding, PA, seating, may be able to source used from Shepherds Inn via Chairman.

- Family Zone (East Stand) – improve signage and awareness of zone, for example, branding in section 7/8 as an official family zone seated area, plus any new equipment needed in here to update.

- Padded seat area in EWM stand – for hospitality guests on a match day. A specific area for them to sit. In line with other clubs. Improve match day experience.

- Sunset – TV rewiring, fan décor and extra seating.

- Sporting Inn - re-lamp the sunset, the up lighting is defunct and the bar lighting could be updated, new furniture.

- Paddock North catering outlets improvements – expand, shelving etc. In progress

- Warwick Road End – toilets and catering hut area behind stand.

- Tannoy/music system – we have a very old system where only CD’s can be played, needs updated, some stand speakers don’t work 100%.

- Technical systems in all bars and hospitality lounges, for example, Foxy’s Restaurant – install projector with HDMI ability and link projector with other screens in restaurant. Help with non-match day meetings and conferences. Sound system to be updated too, with microphones.

- Stewards vest-cams.

- A camera lens for Media

- Paint and decorate – stairs to Sunset.

- General branding in West Stand.

- Academy camera pole. Extendable height pole to film games and training for player/team review plus camcorder.

- Décor and make good sunset ladies and gents.

- Fan flags £300 per flag

- Disabled Away shelter.

- Disabled home – replace worn out mobile shelter Pioneer south.

- Disabled Home Paddock North Extend.

- Tarmac of executive car park pot holes.

- Improve supporters car park east side poor in winter.

- Large Flat Screen TV IN McConnells Bar.

- Warning lights etc east stand disabled toilets.

- Hospitality Boxes - Roof extractors.

- GPS vests and monitors.Tracks distances of players in training and matches.

- Mini goals X6 pairs.

- Resistance bands 1m long.

- Pair of full size goals.


That's some list!

Should have it all sorted by 3018-19 season :S
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22 Sep 2018 13:15 #5 by 182blue
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Just the resistance bands, for me.

Always think the problem with the bars like the Sunset Suite is that a lot of people hog the seats and tables and don’t buy anything.
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22 Sep 2018 14:13 #6 by NORTHERNSOUL
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182blue wrote: Just the resistance bands, for me.

Always think the problem with the bars like the Sunset Suite is that a lot of people hog the seats and tables and don’t buy anything.


The first item on the agenda should be " will the current board of directors match out of their own pockets pound for pound anything we raise ? "
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22 Sep 2018 16:28 #7 by DeckchairBlue
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

182blue wrote: Just the resistance bands, for me.

Always think the problem with the bars like the Sunset Suite is that a lot of people hog the seats and tables and don’t buy anything.


The first item on the agenda should be " will the current board of directors match out of their own pockets pound for pound anything we raise ? "


Can't see where it says fans will be paying for any of it.
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22 Sep 2018 20:38 #8 by NORTHERNSOUL
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DeckchairBlue wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

182blue wrote: Just the resistance bands, for me.

Always think the problem with the bars like the Sunset Suite is that a lot of people hog the seats and tables and don’t buy anything.


The first item on the agenda should be " will the current board of directors match out of their own pockets pound for pound anything we raise ? "


Can't see where it says fans will be paying for any of it.


Come on DCB you know, I know, the BP cat knows and everyone on here knows why that item is on the agenda of the CUSG.

Because we have a chairman who according to this week's surveys figures has a personal worth of 17.1 million pounds yet refuses to spend it on the club he owns. Ask yourself would you drink in a pub where the owners hadn't spent a penny on it in years and who are now expecting the regulars to pay for all the things that in normal pubs the owners wouldn't hesitate to get their hands in their pockets for.

The absolute minimum for me before any supporters attempt to raise a penny would be a commitment carved in stone from the current directors to personally match any sum the supporters raised.

www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/foo...-villa-leeds-2024729

And then we have the Trust joining in the race to the bottom with this absolutely pathetic statement

The possibility of CUOSC financing or part-financing a replacement electronic scoreboard was discussed. The price of large electronic displays was considered prohibitive but smaller scoreboards could be acquired for under £1,000.
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22 Sep 2018 20:44 #9 by Kessler
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote: Ask yourself would you drink in a pub where the owners hadn't spent a penny on it in years and who are now expecting the regulars to pay for all the things that in normal pubs the owners wouldn't hesitate to get their hands in their pockets for.

The absolute minimum for me before any supporters attempt to raise a penny would be a commitment carved in stone from the current directors to personally match any sum the supporters raised.


Tbh they could probably crowdfund the financing of a new scoreboard from fans. The issue is that the last time they asked the fans for something it was to get Junior Joachim, they got the fans to fork out £10k and ended up playing him for all of 20 minutes and did nowt else. So why the hell would anyone give them more money based on that last experience?
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22 Sep 2018 23:30 #10 by NORTHERNSOUL
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BoardAdmin wrote: CUSG have been working on a ‘wishlist’ of stuff to improve both the Matchday experience and the general look of things around Brunton Park.

This was started on before we were invited to the last Meeting, but has been forwarded for the next Agenda.

We’ve put the list below, and would like to know which items you think should be prioritised. Feedback and constructive criticism is welcomed. All given will be communicated when the wishlist is discussed.

It’s written in no particular order, and some items may have already had some bits and pieces started on.

Thanks,

Admin.


CUSG ‘WISHLIST’

- Fan Zone (West Stand) Umbrellas, Wall painting and barriers all sourced by Club.

- Fan Zone (West Stand) Branding, PA, seating, may be able to source used from Shepherds Inn via Chairman.

- Family Zone (East Stand) – improve signage and awareness of zone, for example, branding in section 7/8 as an official family zone seated area, plus any new equipment needed in here to update.

- Padded seat area in EWM stand – for hospitality guests on a match day. A specific area for them to sit. In line with other clubs. Improve match day experience.

- Sunset – TV rewiring, fan décor and extra seating.

- Sporting Inn - re-lamp the sunset, the up lighting is defunct and the bar lighting could be updated, new furniture.

- Paddock North catering outlets improvements – expand, shelving etc. In progress

- Warwick Road End – toilets and catering hut area behind stand.

- Tannoy/music system – we have a very old system where only CD’s can be played, needs updated, some stand speakers don’t work 100%.

- Technical systems in all bars and hospitality lounges, for example, Foxy’s Restaurant – install projector with HDMI ability and link projector with other screens in restaurant. Help with non-match day meetings and conferences. Sound system to be updated too, with microphones.

- Stewards vest-cams.

- A camera lens for Media

- Paint and decorate – stairs to Sunset.

- General branding in West Stand.

- Academy camera pole. Extendable height pole to film games and training for player/team review plus camcorder.

- Décor and make good sunset ladies and gents.

- Fan flags £300 per flag

- Disabled Away shelter.

- Disabled home – replace worn out mobile shelter Pioneer south.

- Disabled Home Paddock North Extend.

- Tarmac of executive car park pot holes.

- Improve supporters car park east side poor in winter.

- Large Flat Screen TV IN McConnells Bar.

- Warning lights etc east stand disabled toilets.

- Hospitality Boxes - Roof extractors.

- GPS vests and monitors.Tracks distances of players in training and matches.

- Mini goals X6 pairs.

- Resistance bands 1m long.

- Pair of full size goals.



This is the one that bothers me and at the same time gives credence to the rumours that the ones they've used for the last 3 years didn't actually belong to the club but were, in fact, the property of Curles boy wonder.

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23 Sep 2018 08:01 #11 by Lakelandterrier
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The list is something the owners of the club need to be paying for. They own it. We already pay our money through the gates!

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23 Sep 2018 09:19 #12 by lbtufty
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Lakelandterrier wrote: The list is something the owners of the club need to be paying for. They own it. We already pay our money through the gates!


That's the crux of the issue though, we've been told the gate money just covers the current playing squad budget. Every item on the wish list can literally be thought of as anything from a parent club supported youngster in on a one month loan to Gerrard being given an extended deal in January. Even if Jenkins in a moment of clarity supported the fans demands to see both, EWM have for the time being vetoed the buy-now-pay-later approach and his family may as well have taken his name off the savings account. I certainly get the call for the club to fund match every pound the fans raise and in truth, that would be the right thing to do IMHO.

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23 Sep 2018 12:02 - 23 Sep 2018 12:04 #13 by NORTHERNSOUL
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lbtufty wrote:

Lakelandterrier wrote: The list is something the owners of the club need to be paying for. They own it. We already pay our money through the gates!


That's the crux of the issue though, we've been told the gate money just covers the current playing squad budget. Every item on the wish list can literally be thought of as anything from a parent club supported youngster in on a one month loan to Gerrard being given an extended deal in January. Even if Jenkins in a moment of clarity supported the fans demands to see both, EWM have for the time being vetoed the buy-now-pay-later approach and his family may as well have taken his name off the savings account. I certainly get the call for the club to fund match every pound the fans raise and in truth, that would be the right thing to do IMHO.


No Tuffty it's not the club who should be matching it but the directors personally out of their own pockets i.m not sure which is worse and disgusting Jenkins sat there with a net worth of 17.1 million or Nixon and Pattison who.ve clearly contributed nothing for years and have the bloody cheek to send this list to CUOSG.

And then we have the bloody Trust who clearly can't get involved in any fundraising appeal off their own back for fear that it would expose just how hated and despised there leaders really are.

Theres only one answer a total clearout of all these wa.nkers from Brunton Park as the words piss up and brewery are now coming to the fore each and every day.
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23 Sep 2018 12:26 - 23 Sep 2018 12:36 #14 by nobbyblue
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I agree NS how about Nixon and Pattinson dipping into their pockets after all they own the club.

I needed a door for my hoose recently and I had to buy it myself. :unsure:
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23 Sep 2018 13:57 #15 by bejustandfearprokas
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Stewards Vest Cams?! Does any club have these?

Sure some business could easily sort out the mini goals, full size goals and the HDMI screens etc.
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23 Sep 2018 14:53 #16 by DeckchairBlue
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Surely this shows how shit position the club is in financially if they need help to even get this kind of stuff.

They are talking about improving the matchday experience but seemingly expecting the fans to pay for all of the improvements themselves.

I really do hope this is more a list of works and items that the club sees as needing doing/buying rather than a begging letter to have it paid for by others.
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23 Sep 2018 16:22 #17 by cufcdeano
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Kessler wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote: Ask yourself would you drink in a pub where the owners hadn't spent a penny on it in years and who are now expecting the regulars to pay for all the things that in normal pubs the owners wouldn't hesitate to get their hands in their pockets for.

The absolute minimum for me before any supporters attempt to raise a penny would be a commitment carved in stone from the current directors to personally match any sum the supporters raised.


Tbh they could probably crowdfund the financing of a new scoreboard from fans. The issue is that the last time they asked the fans for something it was to get Junior Joachim, they got the fans to fork out £10k and ended up playing him for all of 20 minutes and did nowt else. So why the hell would anyone give them more money based on that last experience?


But as supporters we had no idea that Curle would blow the 10k on Joachim and play him for just 20 minutes. Had we known that, people wouldn't have crowdfunded.

Not saying I agree with it, but here we have a list of things that we know the money would be spent on.

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23 Sep 2018 16:32 #18 by CCU
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cufcdeano wrote: But as supporters we had no idea that Curle would blow the 10k on Joachim and play him for just 20 minutes. Had we known that, people wouldn't have crowdfunded.


I know several folk who didn’t contribute for exactly this reason!

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23 Sep 2018 17:03 #19 by franksidebottom
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Kessler wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote: Ask yourself would you drink in a pub where the owners hadn't spent a penny on it in years and who are now expecting the regulars to pay for all the things that in normal pubs the owners wouldn't hesitate to get their hands in their pockets for.

The absolute minimum for me before any supporters attempt to raise a penny would be a commitment carved in stone from the current directors to personally match any sum the supporters raised.


Tbh they could probably crowdfund the financing of a new scoreboard from fans. The issue is that the last time they asked the fans for something it was to get Junior Joachim, they got the fans to fork out £10k and ended up playing him for all of 20 minutes and did nowt else. So why the hell would anyone give them more money based on that last experience?


Did the club actually ask the fans for the crowdfunding? I was under the impression that someone on here got the idea from Grimsby buying Bogle with crowdfunding money and set up a Carlisle one.

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23 Sep 2018 17:07 - 23 Sep 2018 17:12 #20 by franksidebottom
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bejustandfearprokas wrote: Stewards Vest Cams?! Does any club have these?

Sure some business could easily sort out the mini goals, full size goals and the HDMI screens etc.


Exactly what we were talking about yesterday in the pub pre-match, is there nobody at the club who has the front and face to go around local businesses to get these sort of items for nothing? For example walk in the Sony Centre, ask for a £500 plasma in return for a surround promoting the shop saying it was kindly donated by the Sony Centre. Someone like Knighton or Martin Hudson would have the charisma and charm to have half a dozen free Tv’s within a week!

Similar scenario with the painting of the staircase to the Sunset. Can they not find a fan who’s a decorator and offer him a free season ticket if he did the work or a table in foxy’s for a game? I’d imagine slapping a bit of emulsion on a staircase would only be a day’s work for a decent painter.

When you’re in Carlisle United's position it’s all about getting things for nothing. Let’s face it - we’re desperate!

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23 Sep 2018 17:12 #21 by CCU
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franksidebottom wrote:

bejustandfearprokas wrote: Stewards Vest Cams?! Does any club have these?

Sure some business could easily sort out the mini goals, full size goals and the HDMI screens etc.


Exactly what we were talking about yesterday in the pub pre-match, is there nobody at the club who has the front and face to go around local businesses to get these sort of items for nothing? For example walk in the Sony Centre, ask for a £500 plasma in return for a surround promoting the shop saying it was kindly donated by the Sony Centre. Someone like Knighton or Martin Hudson would have the charisma and charm to have half a dozen free Tv’s within a week!


Probably more that it’ll be a job going through a Yellow Pages (Do they still exist?!) and making up a list of Companies we haven’t pissed off!

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23 Sep 2018 17:24 #22 by mattcufc
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Was thinking when read this yesterday I’ve an old projector screen which we don’t use anymore as the remote control sensor didn’t work on it, but it still works manually. Couple of plasmas which were replaced pre World Cup as well sitting in a cupboard. Quite like the idea of a sponsored by surround but don’t think it would work as Nixon sees us as conflicting because want the same customers.

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23 Sep 2018 17:26 #23 by munchymagic
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franksidebottom wrote:

bejustandfearprokas wrote: Stewards Vest Cams?! Does any club have these?

Sure some business could easily sort out the mini goals, full size goals and the HDMI screens etc.


Exactly what we were talking about yesterday in the pub pre-match, is there nobody at the club who has the front and face to go around local businesses to get these sort of items for nothing? For example walk in the Sony Centre, ask for a £500 plasma in return for a surround promoting the shop saying it was kindly donated by the Sony Centre. Someone like Knighton or Martin Hudson would have the charisma and charm to have half a dozen free Tv’s within a week!

Similar scenario with the painting of the staircase to the Sunset. Can they not find a fan who’s a decorator and offer him a free season ticket if he did the work or a table in foxy’s for a game? I’d imagine slapping a bit of emulsion on a staircase would only be a day’s work for a decent painter.

When you’re in Carlisle United's position it’s all about getting things for nothing. Let’s face it - we’re desperate!


I disagree, why should any person or business get anything done for nowt?

Like Nobby said he needed a front door and nobody but himself was willing to fund the door, how does Pioneer maintain its properties?

I would feel differently if this was a community ran club but Jenkins thinks that we are all [censored] and has the cheek to expect things done for free when it suits him then he's back to his normal self of saying sod all and keeping his wallet shut.

When the bloke is worth circa 20m then I have no sympathy for him as we know that he has got the money just that he will not spend it, fair enough if he wants to trim the playing budget but letting the ground fall into rack and ruin when it is avoidable is inexcusable.

When you start to treat your own business and customers with contempt then it is time to get out.
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23 Sep 2018 17:41 #24 by Dancingbear
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munchymagic wrote:

franksidebottom wrote:

bejustandfearprokas wrote: Stewards Vest Cams?! Does any club have these?

Sure some business could easily sort out the mini goals, full size goals and the HDMI screens etc.


Exactly what we were talking about yesterday in the pub pre-match, is there nobody at the club who has the front and face to go around local businesses to get these sort of items for nothing? For example walk in the Sony Centre, ask for a £500 plasma in return for a surround promoting the shop saying it was kindly donated by the Sony Centre. Someone like Knighton or Martin Hudson would have the charisma and charm to have half a dozen free Tv’s within a week!

Similar scenario with the painting of the staircase to the Sunset. Can they not find a fan who’s a decorator and offer him a free season ticket if he did the work or a table in foxy’s for a game? I’d imagine slapping a bit of emulsion on a staircase would only be a day’s work for a decent painter.

When you’re in Carlisle United's position it’s all about getting things for nothing. Let’s face it - we’re desperate!


I disagree, why should any person or business get anything done for nowt?

Like Nobby said he needed a front door and nobody but himself was willing to fund the door, how does Pioneer maintain its properties?

I would feel differently if this was a community ran club but Jenkins thinks that we are all [censored] and has the cheek to expect things done for free when it suits him then he's back to his normal self of saying sod all and keeping his wallet shut.

When the bloke is worth circa 20m then I have no sympathy for him as we know that he has got the money just that he will not spend it, fair enough if he wants to trim the playing budget but letting the ground fall into rack and ruin when it is avoidable is inexcusable.

When you start to treat your own business and customers with contempt then it is time to get out.


But Munch have you forgotten we the fans own 25.1% of the club?

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23 Sep 2018 17:48 #25 by carwash
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CCU wrote:

cufcdeano wrote: But as supporters we had no idea that Curle would blow the 10k on Joachim and play him for just 20 minutes. Had we known that, people wouldn't have crowdfunded.


I know several folk who didn’t contribute for exactly this reason!


The reason the Club now has Holdsworth is the board had no idea that Curle would blow over £30k on Jamal Campbell-Ryce's wages and play him for one decent 45 minute spell.

I think many more people and businesses might be interested in supporting the Club in a money-raising promotion push now as Laffy says the Club is under new management.

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23 Sep 2018 17:49 #26 by DeckchairBlue
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Dancingbear wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

franksidebottom wrote:

bejustandfearprokas wrote: Stewards Vest Cams?! Does any club have these?

Sure some business could easily sort out the mini goals, full size goals and the HDMI screens etc.


Exactly what we were talking about yesterday in the pub pre-match, is there nobody at the club who has the front and face to go around local businesses to get these sort of items for nothing? For example walk in the Sony Centre, ask for a £500 plasma in return for a surround promoting the shop saying it was kindly donated by the Sony Centre. Someone like Knighton or Martin Hudson would have the charisma and charm to have half a dozen free Tv’s within a week!

Similar scenario with the painting of the staircase to the Sunset. Can they not find a fan who’s a decorator and offer him a free season ticket if he did the work or a table in foxy’s for a game? I’d imagine slapping a bit of emulsion on a staircase would only be a day’s work for a decent painter.

When you’re in Carlisle United's position it’s all about getting things for nothing. Let’s face it - we’re desperate!


I disagree, why should any person or business get anything done for nowt?

Like Nobby said he needed a front door and nobody but himself was willing to fund the door, how does Pioneer maintain its properties?

I would feel differently if this was a community ran club but Jenkins thinks that we are all [censored] and has the cheek to expect things done for free when it suits him then he's back to his normal self of saying sod all and keeping his wallet shut.

When the bloke is worth circa 20m then I have no sympathy for him as we know that he has got the money just that he will not spend it, fair enough if he wants to trim the playing budget but letting the ground fall into rack and ruin when it is avoidable is inexcusable.

When you start to treat your own business and customers with contempt then it is time to get out.


But Munch have you forgotten we the fans own 25.1% of the club?


Then the Trust and their membership can cover 25.1% of the costs involved can't they. I'm sure they'd have no problem with that...
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23 Sep 2018 18:40 #27 by Laffy
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carwash wrote:

CCU wrote:

cufcdeano wrote: But as supporters we had no idea that Curle would blow the 10k on Joachim and play him for just 20 minutes. Had we known that, people wouldn't have crowdfunded.


I know several folk who didn’t contribute for exactly this reason!


The reason the Club now has Holdsworth is the board had no idea that Curle would blow over £30k on Jamal Campbell-Ryce's wages and play him for one decent 45 minute spell.

I think many more people and businesses might be interested in supporting the Club in a money-raising promotion push now as Laffy says the Club is under new management.


I don’t think there is any chance of businesses putting money up until PD shows his hand and regime change is complete-why would you when he is worth a billion so the temptation is to let him do it?

For all intents and purposes,the Club is now being run to a tune and a budget set by EWM and there is accountability at last for the actions of the key management.After all,its their money which is propping it up.This lack of accountability was always the problem in the past in my view-and KC and his insane bonus structure simply highlighted it.The back Office is being professionalised-something I planned to do myself.Just like the player pool;if you aren’t good enough,you aren’t allowed to play

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23 Sep 2018 18:41 #28 by franksidebottom
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munchymagic wrote:

franksidebottom wrote:

bejustandfearprokas wrote: Stewards Vest Cams?! Does any club have these?

Sure some business could easily sort out the mini goals, full size goals and the HDMI screens etc.


Exactly what we were talking about yesterday in the pub pre-match, is there nobody at the club who has the front and face to go around local businesses to get these sort of items for nothing? For example walk in the Sony Centre, ask for a £500 plasma in return for a surround promoting the shop saying it was kindly donated by the Sony Centre. Someone like Knighton or Martin Hudson would have the charisma and charm to have half a dozen free Tv’s within a week!

Similar scenario with the painting of the staircase to the Sunset. Can they not find a fan who’s a decorator and offer him a free season ticket if he did the work or a table in foxy’s for a game? I’d imagine slapping a bit of emulsion on a staircase would only be a day’s work for a decent painter.

When you’re in Carlisle United's position it’s all about getting things for nothing. Let’s face it - we’re desperate!


I disagree, why should any person or business get anything done for nowt?

Like Nobby said he needed a front door and nobody but himself was willing to fund the door, how does Pioneer maintain its properties?

I would feel differently if this was a community ran club but Jenkins thinks that we are all [censored] and has the cheek to expect things done for free when it suits him then he's back to his normal self of saying sod all and keeping his wallet shut.

When the bloke is worth circa 20m then I have no sympathy for him as we know that he has got the money just that he will not spend it, fair enough if he wants to trim the playing budget but letting the ground fall into rack and ruin when it is avoidable is inexcusable.

When you start to treat your own business and customers with contempt then it is time to get out.


It happens all the time munchy, businesses are approached all the time from charities, organisations and individuals to donate items. Whether it be prizes for a raffle, food for a food bank, football kit or equipment for a kids team. Some businesses openly offer to help as its good PR for them and good advertising. How do you think the club gets hold of its cars? For example, if Sony did give the club a plasma for the bar which the club put up alongside a sign saying it was kindly donated by The Sony Centre, how many folk would then see the shop in a good light? You never know, someone might even see the telly and think it’s dead smart and go and buy one for themselves!! Why do you think some betting firms pay out early on some bets? Why do you think some window and paving companies offer slightly reduced prices if you put a sign up in your garden after having work done by them? It’s all about PR and advertising.

You are right in one respect though and it’s already been eluded to here, the club has pissed off a lot of local people and businesses and many might point blank refuse to help out. The point I’m trying to make is that the club need someone with a bit of presence, a few contacts and a bit of charisma to go and charm people into helping, easier said than done though given our recent history and the football club’s reputation locally. The worst they can say is no however.

One more thing, don’t go falling for Barry’s guess that Jenkins has £20m cash floating around his bank account. It’s that much of a guess than he’s changed it to £17.1m lately. Unless of course he’s totally correct and AJ has spent nearly £3m in the last month!!

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23 Sep 2018 18:43 #29 by franksidebottom
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Laffy wrote:

carwash wrote:

CCU wrote:

cufcdeano wrote: But as supporters we had no idea that Curle would blow the 10k on Joachim and play him for just 20 minutes. Had we known that, people wouldn't have crowdfunded.


I know several folk who didn’t contribute for exactly this reason!


The reason the Club now has Holdsworth is the board had no idea that Curle would blow over £30k on Jamal Campbell-Ryce's wages and play him for one decent 45 minute spell.

I think many more people and businesses might be interested in supporting the Club in a money-raising promotion push now as Laffy says the Club is under new management.


I don’t think there is any chance of businesses putting money up until PD shows his hand and regime change is complete-why would you when he is worth a billion so the temptation is to let him do it?

For all intents and purposes,the Club is now being run to a tune and a budget set by EWM and there is accountability at last for the actions of the key management.After all,its their money which is propping it up.This lack of accountability was always the problem in the past in my view-and KC and his insane bonus structure simply highlighted it.The back Office is being professionalised-something I planned to do myself.Just like the player pool;if you aren’t good enough,you aren’t allowed to play


I’m not talking about businesses putting money in or investing in the club. I’m talking about donating a free telly or a day’s work painting a staircase. Small fry in the scheme of things.

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23 Sep 2018 18:57 #30 by Laffy
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Ok-why would a local business donate anything when;

A-the club doesn’t pay its bills,allegedly,and;

B-it’s now run by one of the UKs richest men with a Chairman who is also worth a few quid and;

C-The Bribery Act which is making a massive impact on client entertaining and gifts(I kid you not)

I would rather give money or goods to a more deserving cause to be honest.

These days,sponsors want something back-a good day out,entertainment-a return on their investment so long as it’s outside the reach of the Bribery Act.Sadly the current offering is not up to scratch or value for money.
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23 Sep 2018 19:09 #31 by munchymagic
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franksidebottom wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

franksidebottom wrote:

bejustandfearprokas wrote: Stewards Vest Cams?! Does any club have these?

Sure some business could easily sort out the mini goals, full size goals and the HDMI screens etc.


Exactly what we were talking about yesterday in the pub pre-match, is there nobody at the club who has the front and face to go around local businesses to get these sort of items for nothing? For example walk in the Sony Centre, ask for a £500 plasma in return for a surround promoting the shop saying it was kindly donated by the Sony Centre. Someone like Knighton or Martin Hudson would have the charisma and charm to have half a dozen free Tv’s within a week!

Similar scenario with the painting of the staircase to the Sunset. Can they not find a fan who’s a decorator and offer him a free season ticket if he did the work or a table in foxy’s for a game? I’d imagine slapping a bit of emulsion on a staircase would only be a day’s work for a decent painter.

When you’re in Carlisle United's position it’s all about getting things for nothing. Let’s face it - we’re desperate!


I disagree, why should any person or business get anything done for nowt?

Like Nobby said he needed a front door and nobody but himself was willing to fund the door, how does Pioneer maintain its properties?

I would feel differently if this was a community ran club but Jenkins thinks that we are all [censored] and has the cheek to expect things done for free when it suits him then he's back to his normal self of saying sod all and keeping his wallet shut.

When the bloke is worth circa 20m then I have no sympathy for him as we know that he has got the money just that he will not spend it, fair enough if he wants to trim the playing budget but letting the ground fall into rack and ruin when it is avoidable is inexcusable.

When you start to treat your own business and customers with contempt then it is time to get out.


It happens all the time munchy, businesses are approached all the time from charities, organisations and individuals to donate items. Whether it be prizes for a raffle, food for a food bank, football kit or equipment for a kids team. Some businesses openly offer to help as its good PR for them and good advertising. How do you think the club gets hold of its cars? For example, if Sony did give the club a plasma for the bar which the club put up alongside a sign saying it was kindly donated by The Sony Centre, how many folk would then see the shop in a good light? You never know, someone might even see the telly and think it’s dead smart and go and buy one for themselves!! Why do you think some betting firms pay out early on some bets? Why do you think some window and paving companies offer slightly reduced prices if you put a sign up in your garden after having work done by them? It’s all about PR and advertising.

You are right in one respect though and it’s already been eluded to here, the club has pissed off a lot of local people and businesses and many might point blank refuse to help out. The point I’m trying to make is that the club need someone with a bit of presence, a few contacts and a bit of charisma to go and charm people into helping, easier said than done though given our recent history and the football club’s reputation locally. The worst they can say is no however.

One more thing, don’t go falling for Barry’s guess that Jenkins has £20m cash floating around his bank account. It’s that much of a guess than he’s changed it to £17.1m lately. Unless of course he’s totally correct and AJ has spent nearly £3m in the last month!!


As I said Frank circa 20m so he will still be dragging in shedloads of interest on this amount and extra money coming in from Pioneer - and the hungry get cannot manage to get a scoreboard sorted until now and that list could be well covered by himself alone.

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23 Sep 2018 19:31 #32 by Bumble
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I am guessing that the club have been asked to provide a list, and it gives plenty of different things for fans to choose to raise money for.

It also draws attention to things that small busnesses can get involved with.

Going back a few years many of these jobs would have been done by local firms whose owners were fans. Many of these firms have been pissed off for various reasons in recent years but I would imagine the commercial dept will now be trying to get those firms back on board, I hope so.

There are a lot of things on the list that I feel would be better sorted by other means but there is certainly plenty that fans could raise money for. I would like to know how the money will be raised. I know CUSAT and the London Branch both raise money for the club but if the group is going to do more I would like to know how they propose to raise the money and what particular thing monies are being raised for.

I noticed a scoreboard isn't on their wishlist so thy are maybe confident in getting one elsewhere.

For me top of the list is suitable shelter for disabled away supporters. Present facilities are a disgrace, you wouldn't house a dog in the open with no shelters for two hours. Folk are having to sit out in the open in their wheelchairs, it needs sorting,

I really can't see £300 flags as very high on the list but everyone will have different thoughts.
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23 Sep 2018 19:35 #33 by franksidebottom
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Laffy wrote: Ok-why would a local business donate anything when;

A-the club doesn’t pay its bills,allegedly,and;

B-it’s now run by one of the UKs richest men with a Chairman who is also worth a few quid and;

C-The Bribery Act which is making a massive impact on client entertaining and gifts(I kid you not)

I would rather give money or goods to a more deserving cause to be honest.

These days,sponsors want something back-a good day out,entertainment-a return on their investment so long as it’s outside the reach of the Bribery Act.Sadly the current offering is not up to scratch or value for money.


Local businesses may donate for a number of reasons.

They’re owned or ran by a supporter
Good advertising
Good PR
They aren’t aware that Day runs the club
Some businesses will have budgets for this sort of thing
A return for their investment (already mentioned a table in foxy’s or a season ticket)

Like I’ve already mentioned, local firms obviously are willing to donate to the club. Was a car not gifted to Paul Murray lately? The club have a lottery car which was donated. Is a car not donated for the Blues Lotto yearly draw? Not sure of the ins and outs of these deals and arrangements but it does prove it does happen, you’ll have to ask the relevant car dealerships why they do it and what they feel they get out of it.

I know you would rather give things to a more deserving cause and I can understand this, if I owned a business I wouldn’t give to the club in its current guise either, but that’s not to say that plenty of others would. I’m confident in saying that if the someone with a bit of something about them went around the shops in the area that they would be able to come up with a free telly for the football club, no problem.

Look at it like this. What’s the difference between sponsoring a player for the season for £400 (which people currently do and basically involves getting your name in the programme) and donating a telly and getting your name on the wall next to it?

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23 Sep 2018 19:43 #34 by franksidebottom
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munchymagic wrote:

franksidebottom wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

franksidebottom wrote:

bejustandfearprokas wrote: Stewards Vest Cams?! Does any club have these?

Sure some business could easily sort out the mini goals, full size goals and the HDMI screens etc.


Exactly what we were talking about yesterday in the pub pre-match, is there nobody at the club who has the front and face to go around local businesses to get these sort of items for nothing? For example walk in the Sony Centre, ask for a £500 plasma in return for a surround promoting the shop saying it was kindly donated by the Sony Centre. Someone like Knighton or Martin Hudson would have the charisma and charm to have half a dozen free Tv’s within a week!

Similar scenario with the painting of the staircase to the Sunset. Can they not find a fan who’s a decorator and offer him a free season ticket if he did the work or a table in foxy’s for a game? I’d imagine slapping a bit of emulsion on a staircase would only be a day’s work for a decent painter.

When you’re in Carlisle United's position it’s all about getting things for nothing. Let’s face it - we’re desperate!


I disagree, why should any person or business get anything done for nowt?

Like Nobby said he needed a front door and nobody but himself was willing to fund the door, how does Pioneer maintain its properties?

I would feel differently if this was a community ran club but Jenkins thinks that we are all [censored] and has the cheek to expect things done for free when it suits him then he's back to his normal self of saying sod all and keeping his wallet shut.

When the bloke is worth circa 20m then I have no sympathy for him as we know that he has got the money just that he will not spend it, fair enough if he wants to trim the playing budget but letting the ground fall into rack and ruin when it is avoidable is inexcusable.

When you start to treat your own business and customers with contempt then it is time to get out.


It happens all the time munchy, businesses are approached all the time from charities, organisations and individuals to donate items. Whether it be prizes for a raffle, food for a food bank, football kit or equipment for a kids team. Some businesses openly offer to help as its good PR for them and good advertising. How do you think the club gets hold of its cars? For example, if Sony did give the club a plasma for the bar which the club put up alongside a sign saying it was kindly donated by The Sony Centre, how many folk would then see the shop in a good light? You never know, someone might even see the telly and think it’s dead smart and go and buy one for themselves!! Why do you think some betting firms pay out early on some bets? Why do you think some window and paving companies offer slightly reduced prices if you put a sign up in your garden after having work done by them? It’s all about PR and advertising.

You are right in one respect though and it’s already been eluded to here, the club has pissed off a lot of local people and businesses and many might point blank refuse to help out. The point I’m trying to make is that the club need someone with a bit of presence, a few contacts and a bit of charisma to go and charm people into helping, easier said than done though given our recent history and the football club’s reputation locally. The worst they can say is no however.

One more thing, don’t go falling for Barry’s guess that Jenkins has £20m cash floating around his bank account. It’s that much of a guess than he’s changed it to £17.1m lately. Unless of course he’s totally correct and AJ has spent nearly £3m in the last month!!


As I said Frank circa 20m so he will still be dragging in shedloads of interest on this amount and extra money coming in from Pioneer - and the hungry get cannot manage to get a scoreboard sorted until now and that list could be well covered by himself alone.


Whether it’s £20m or circa £20m you’ve still fallen into the trap of using Barry’s fictitious figure! Is this simply made up of cash and earning interest or is it tied up and not currently gaining any returns or is it a figure based on his total assets? Has he got any money coming in from Pioneer? Is he still involved at all? I’m not saying he has or hasn’t and I’m not having a go at you, what I’m trying to say is none of us know what AJ’s financial situation is, we haven’t got a clue, it’s total guesswork.

It seems it’s another one of those made up statements which trotted out enough times on here suddenly becomes fact!

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23 Sep 2018 19:46 #35 by nobbyblue
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franksidebottom wrote:

Laffy wrote:

carwash wrote:

CCU wrote:

cufcdeano wrote: But as supporters we had no idea that Curle would blow the 10k on Joachim and play him for just 20 minutes. Had we known that, people wouldn't have crowdfunded.


I know several folk who didn’t contribute for exactly this reason!


The reason the Club now has Holdsworth is the board had no idea that Curle would blow over £30k on Jamal Campbell-Ryce's wages and play him for one decent 45 minute spell.

I think many more people and businesses might be interested in supporting the Club in a money-raising promotion push now as Laffy says the Club is under new management.


I don’t think there is any chance of businesses putting money up until PD shows his hand and regime change is complete-why would you when he is worth a billion so the temptation is to let him do it?

For all intents and purposes,the Club is now being run to a tune and a budget set by EWM and there is accountability at last for the actions of the key management.After all,its their money which is propping it up.This lack of accountability was always the problem in the past in my view-and KC and his insane bonus structure simply highlighted it.The back Office is being professionalised-something I planned to do myself.Just like the player pool;if you aren’t good enough,you aren’t allowed to play


I’m not talking about businesses putting money in or investing in the club. I’m talking about donating a free telly or a day’s work painting a staircase. Small fry in the scheme of things.


If it's such small fry Frank why don't you donate a telly.:cheer:

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23 Sep 2018 19:58 #36 by franksidebottom
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Small fry in the scheme of running a football club ya big wally!

I’ve already said I wouldn’t give the club anything in its current guise but that’s not to say plenty of others would. I’ll pay my ticket money as and when I go but that’s it. The boy’s not even getting a strip for his birthday this year, I’d rather buy him an England strip.

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23 Sep 2018 20:03 #37 by Bumble
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It always surprises that the club don't use the fans more. I guess it takes organisation to get right and I know some folk think using fans rather than professionals is somehow second best but to me it makes a lot of sense.

Not everyone is in a position to gift things to the club but you would think there are fans who would be happy to do jobs for the club for a season ticket.

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23 Sep 2018 20:03 #38 by nobbyblue
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Small fry for the club? You're not making any sense.

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23 Sep 2018 20:17 #39 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CCU wrote:

cufcdeano wrote: But as supporters we had no idea that Curle would blow the 10k on Joachim and play him for just 20 minutes. Had we known that, people wouldn't have crowdfunded.


I know several folk who didn’t contribute for exactly this reason!


Yes me for one. If i.m contributing i.d want to be choosing the player to invest in not leaving It to Curles boy wonder Dykes.

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23 Sep 2018 20:28 #40 by NORTHERNSOUL
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franksidebottom wrote:

bejustandfearprokas wrote: Stewards Vest Cams?! Does any club have these?

Sure some business could easily sort out the mini goals, full size goals and the HDMI screens etc.


Exactly what we were talking about yesterday in the pub pre-match, is there nobody at the club who has the front and face to go around local businesses to get these sort of items for nothing? For example walk in the Sony Centre, ask for a £500 plasma in return for a surround promoting the shop saying it was kindly donated by the Sony Centre. Someone like Knighton or Martin Hudson would have the charisma and charm to have half a dozen free Tv’s within a week!

Similar scenario with the painting of the staircase to the Sunset. Can they not find a fan who’s a decorator and offer him a free season ticket if he did the work or a table in foxy’s for a game? I’d imagine slapping a bit of emulsion on a staircase would only be a day’s work for a decent painter.

When you’re in Carlisle United's position it’s all about getting things for nothing. Let’s face it - we’re desperate!


But why pay 500 quid in the first place I was selling 42inch screens £190 in the run-up to the world cup earlier this summer so you could have had 3 for every one of your 500 quid ones. But you're right about Knighton and Martin they got loads of stuff for free hell I should know I was on the end of it a couple of times. I remember when I put up a years supply of beer for a raffle ?

I may be wrong but isn't a recently retired fan of many years standing who comes on here a former painter and decorator and I guess a free season ticket would be right up his street.

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23 Sep 2018 20:33 #41 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CCU wrote:

franksidebottom wrote:

bejustandfearprokas wrote: Stewards Vest Cams?! Does any club have these?

Sure some business could easily sort out the mini goals, full size goals and the HDMI screens etc.


Exactly what we were talking about yesterday in the pub pre-match, is there nobody at the club who has the front and face to go around local businesses to get these sort of items for nothing? For example walk in the Sony Centre, ask for a £500 plasma in return for a surround promoting the shop saying it was kindly donated by the Sony Centre. Someone like Knighton or Martin Hudson would have the charisma and charm to have half a dozen free Tv’s within a week!


Probably more that it’ll be a job going through a Yellow Pages (Do they still exist?!) and making up a list of Companies we haven’t pissed off!


And on that subject, anybody know what they did to piss AST off as I see they didn't do the vynils on the club shop this year and it was the printers that Jenkins owns that did it

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23 Sep 2018 20:43 #42 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dancingbear wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

franksidebottom wrote:

bejustandfearprokas wrote: Stewards Vest Cams?! Does any club have these?

Sure some business could easily sort out the mini goals, full size goals and the HDMI screens etc.


Exactly what we were talking about yesterday in the pub pre-match, is there nobody at the club who has the front and face to go around local businesses to get these sort of items for nothing? For example walk in the Sony Centre, ask for a £500 plasma in return for a surround promoting the shop saying it was kindly donated by the Sony Centre. Someone like Knighton or Martin Hudson would have the charisma and charm to have half a dozen free Tv’s within a week!

Similar scenario with the painting of the staircase to the Sunset. Can they not find a fan who’s a decorator and offer him a free season ticket if he did the work or a table in foxy’s for a game? I’d imagine slapping a bit of emulsion on a staircase would only be a day’s work for a decent painter.

When you’re in Carlisle United's position it’s all about getting things for nothing. Let’s face it - we’re desperate!


I disagree, why should any person or business get anything done for nowt?

Like Nobby said he needed a front door and nobody but himself was willing to fund the door, how does Pioneer maintain its properties?

I would feel differently if this was a community ran club but Jenkins thinks that we are all [censored] and has the cheek to expect things done for free when it suits him then he's back to his normal self of saying sod all and keeping his wallet shut.

When the bloke is worth circa 20m then I have no sympathy for him as we know that he has got the money just that he will not spend it, fair enough if he wants to trim the playing budget but letting the ground fall into rack and ruin when it is avoidable is inexcusable.

When you start to treat your own business and customers with contempt then it is time to get out.


But Munch have you forgotten we the fans own 25.1% of the club?


Exactly DB if we had a properly functioning club and Trust the Trust would have said give us the list and leave it to us in the way that they used to in the AS/KR/JC days.

They could find tradesmen to do work for payment in kind. companies willing to offer goods and manpower for nothing ala DIY SOS and do a crowdfunding to pay for the rest but while those [censored] are in charge theres not a cat in hells chance of that is there? They're despised nearly as much as Jenkins and co are.

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23 Sep 2018 20:50 #43 by NORTHERNSOUL
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franksidebottom wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

franksidebottom wrote:

bejustandfearprokas wrote: Stewards Vest Cams?! Does any club have these?

Sure some business could easily sort out the mini goals, full size goals and the HDMI screens etc.


Exactly what we were talking about yesterday in the pub pre-match, is there nobody at the club who has the front and face to go around local businesses to get these sort of items for nothing? For example walk in the Sony Centre, ask for a £500 plasma in return for a surround promoting the shop saying it was kindly donated by the Sony Centre. Someone like Knighton or Martin Hudson would have the charisma and charm to have half a dozen free Tv’s within a week!

Similar scenario with the painting of the staircase to the Sunset. Can they not find a fan who’s a decorator and offer him a free season ticket if he did the work or a table in foxy’s for a game? I’d imagine slapping a bit of emulsion on a staircase would only be a day’s work for a decent painter.

When you’re in Carlisle United's position it’s all about getting things for nothing. Let’s face it - we’re desperate!


I disagree, why should any person or business get anything done for nowt?

Like Nobby said he needed a front door and nobody but himself was willing to fund the door, how does Pioneer maintain its properties?

I would feel differently if this was a community ran club but Jenkins thinks that we are all [censored] and has the cheek to expect things done for free when it suits him then he's back to his normal self of saying sod all and keeping his wallet shut.

When the bloke is worth circa 20m then I have no sympathy for him as we know that he has got the money just that he will not spend it, fair enough if he wants to trim the playing budget but letting the ground fall into rack and ruin when it is avoidable is inexcusable.

When you start to treat your own business and customers with contempt then it is time to get out.


It happens all the time munchy, businesses are approached all the time from charities, organisations and individuals to donate items. Whether it be prizes for a raffle, food for a food bank, football kit or equipment for a kids team. Some businesses openly offer to help as its good PR for them and good advertising. How do you think the club gets hold of its cars? For example, if Sony did give the club a plasma for the bar which the club put up alongside a sign saying it was kindly donated by The Sony Centre, how many folk would then see the shop in a good light? You never know, someone might even see the telly and think it’s dead smart and go and buy one for themselves!! Why do you think some betting firms pay out early on some bets? Why do you think some window and paving companies offer slightly reduced prices if you put a sign up in your garden after having work done by them? It’s all about PR and advertising.

You are right in one respect though and it’s already been eluded to here, the club has pissed off a lot of local people and businesses and many might point blank refuse to help out. The point I’m trying to make is that the club need someone with a bit of presence, a few contacts and a bit of charisma to go and charm people into helping, easier said than done though given our recent history and the football club’s reputation locally. The worst they can say is no however.

One more thing, don’t go falling for Barry’s guess that Jenkins has £20m cash floating around his bank account. It’s that much of a guess than he’s changed it to £17.1m lately. Unless of course he’s totally correct and AJ has spent nearly £3m in the last month!!


I.m perfectly happy to say I was mistaken and it turns out Jenkins is actually a pauper as hes now down to his last 17 Million But the point is Frank its no longer a guess or are you saying all the work done on the 92 clubs wasn't real and simply made up or are you saying the rest is true and its only Uncle Herberts thats a falsehood ?

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23 Sep 2018 20:58 #44 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: Ok-why would a local business donate anything when;

A-the club doesn’t pay its bills,allegedly,and;

B-it’s now run by one of the UKs richest men with a Chairman who is also worth a few quid and;

C-The Bribery Act which is making a massive impact on client entertaining and gifts(I kid you not)

I would rather give money or goods to a more deserving cause to be honest.

These days,sponsors want something back-a good day out,entertainment-a return on their investment so long as it’s outside the reach of the Bribery Act.Sadly the current offering is not up to scratch or value for money.


Andrew if you've money you're desperate to give away just set up a charitable foundation like Andy Holt did he gives away loads of 5k grants to lots of organisations and I believe its tax efficient too And no you don't have to be a charity to benefit a local amateur club asked him if he had any spare breeze blocks and he gave them 5 grand all they had to do was match it with other donations or raise an equivalent amount themselves [ they actually found two other companies willing to donate 2.5k each ] so had 10 grand in a week when all they were originally after was a few blocks to rebuild a wall.

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23 Sep 2018 21:07 #45 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Bumble wrote: I am guessing that the club have been asked to provide a list, and it gives plenty of different things for fans to choose to raise money for.

It also draws attention to things that small busnesses can get involved with.

Going back a few years many of these jobs would have been done by local firms whose owners were fans. Many of these firms have been pissed off for various reasons in recent years but I would imagine the commercial dept will now be trying to get those firms back on board, I hope so.

There are a lot of things on the list that I feel would be better sorted by other means but there is certainly plenty that fans could raise money for. I would like to know how the money will be raised. I know CUSAT and the London Branch both raise money for the club but if the group is going to do more I would like to know how they propose to raise the money and what particular thing monies are being raised for.

I noticed a scoreboard isn't on their wishlist so thy are maybe confident in getting one elsewhere.

For me top of the list is suitable shelter for disabled away supporters. Present facilities are a disgrace, you wouldn't house a dog in the open with no shelters for two hours. Folk are having to sit out in the open in their wheelchairs, it needs sorting,

I really can't see £300 flags as very high on the list but everyone will have different thoughts.


There is a simple solution to the provision of disabled viewing areas for both home and away fans all it takes it to get it passed by the SAG and get a builder in for a week and someone to donate a load of concrete and you have a solution that would last 20 years But the club seem more interested in getting local companies to erect what look like allotment sheds that simply aren't fit for purpose.

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23 Sep 2018 21:22 #46 by NORTHERNSOUL
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franksidebottom wrote:

Laffy wrote: Ok-why would a local business donate anything when;

A-the club doesn’t pay its bills,allegedly,and;

B-it’s now run by one of the UKs richest men with a Chairman who is also worth a few quid and;

C-The Bribery Act which is making a massive impact on client entertaining and gifts(I kid you not)

I would rather give money or goods to a more deserving cause to be honest.

These days,sponsors want something back-a good day out,entertainment-a return on their investment so long as it’s outside the reach of the Bribery Act.Sadly the current offering is not up to scratch or value for money.


Local businesses may donate for a number of reasons.

They’re owned or ran by a supporter
Good advertising
Good PR
They aren’t aware that Day runs the club
Some businesses will have budgets for this sort of thing
A return for their investment (already mentioned a table in foxy’s or a season ticket)

Like I’ve already mentioned, local firms obviously are willing to donate to the club. Was a car not gifted to Paul Murray lately? The club have a lottery car which was donated. Is a car not donated for the Blues Lotto yearly draw? Not sure of the ins and outs of these deals and arrangements but it does prove it does happen, you’ll have to ask the relevant car dealerships why they do it and what they feel they get out of it.

I know you would rather give things to a more deserving cause and I can understand this, if I owned a business I wouldn’t give to the club in its current guise either, but that’s not to say that plenty of others would. I’m confident in saying that if the someone with a bit of something about them went around the shops in the area that they would be able to come up with a free telly for the football club, no problem.

Look at it like this. What’s the difference between sponsoring a player for the season for £400 (which people currently do and basically involves getting your name in the programme) and donating a telly and getting your name on the wall next to it?


I think you.ll find the provision of cars is totally different from other things as I understand it dealerships acquire these vehicles from the manufacturers for meeting sales targets on the condition they do not sell them from new for a profit and so let the likes of the club have use of them for a year and then sell them on at that point to get around the no-sale condition.

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23 Sep 2018 21:29 #47 by NORTHERNSOUL
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franksidebottom wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

franksidebottom wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

franksidebottom wrote:

bejustandfearprokas wrote: Stewards Vest Cams?! Does any club have these?

Sure some business could easily sort out the mini goals, full size goals and the HDMI screens etc.


Exactly what we were talking about yesterday in the pub pre-match, is there nobody at the club who has the front and face to go around local businesses to get these sort of items for nothing? For example walk in the Sony Centre, ask for a £500 plasma in return for a surround promoting the shop saying it was kindly donated by the Sony Centre. Someone like Knighton or Martin Hudson would have the charisma and charm to have half a dozen free Tv’s within a week!

Similar scenario with the painting of the staircase to the Sunset. Can they not find a fan who’s a decorator and offer him a free season ticket if he did the work or a table in foxy’s for a game? I’d imagine slapping a bit of emulsion on a staircase would only be a day’s work for a decent painter.

When you’re in Carlisle United's position it’s all about getting things for nothing. Let’s face it - we’re desperate!


I disagree, why should any person or business get anything done for nowt?

Like Nobby said he needed a front door and nobody but himself was willing to fund the door, how does Pioneer maintain its properties?

I would feel differently if this was a community ran club but Jenkins thinks that we are all [censored] and has the cheek to expect things done for free when it suits him then he's back to his normal self of saying sod all and keeping his wallet shut.

When the bloke is worth circa 20m then I have no sympathy for him as we know that he has got the money just that he will not spend it, fair enough if he wants to trim the playing budget but letting the ground fall into rack and ruin when it is avoidable is inexcusable.

When you start to treat your own business and customers with contempt then it is time to get out.


It happens all the time munchy, businesses are approached all the time from charities, organisations and individuals to donate items. Whether it be prizes for a raffle, food for a food bank, football kit or equipment for a kids team. Some businesses openly offer to help as its good PR for them and good advertising. How do you think the club gets hold of its cars? For example, if Sony did give the club a plasma for the bar which the club put up alongside a sign saying it was kindly donated by The Sony Centre, how many folk would then see the shop in a good light? You never know, someone might even see the telly and think it’s dead smart and go and buy one for themselves!! Why do you think some betting firms pay out early on some bets? Why do you think some window and paving companies offer slightly reduced prices if you put a sign up in your garden after having work done by them? It’s all about PR and advertising.

You are right in one respect though and it’s already been eluded to here, the club has pissed off a lot of local people and businesses and many might point blank refuse to help out. The point I’m trying to make is that the club need someone with a bit of presence, a few contacts and a bit of charisma to go and charm people into helping, easier said than done though given our recent history and the football club’s reputation locally. The worst they can say is no however.

One more thing, don’t go falling for Barry’s guess that Jenkins has £20m cash floating around his bank account. It’s that much of a guess than he’s changed it to £17.1m lately. Unless of course he’s totally correct and AJ has spent nearly £3m in the last month!!


As I said Frank circa 20m so he will still be dragging in shedloads of interest on this amount and extra money coming in from Pioneer - and the hungry get cannot manage to get a scoreboard sorted until now and that list could be well covered by himself alone.


Whether it’s £20m or circa £20m you’ve still fallen into the trap of using Barry’s fictitious figure! Is this simply made up of cash and earning interest or is it tied up and not currently gaining any returns or is it a figure based on his total assets? Has he got any money coming in from Pioneer? Is he still involved at all? I’m not saying he has or hasn’t and I’m not having a go at you, what I’m trying to say is none of us know what AJ’s financial situation is, we haven’t got a clue, it’s total guesswork.

It seems it’s another one of those made up statements which trotted out enough times on here suddenly becomes fact!


It's not fictitious at all just read the article I linked to above they have applied the same criteria to each and every one of the 92 club owners and credit the sources they used to do so.

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23 Sep 2018 22:26 #48 by nobbyblue
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CCU wrote:

franksidebottom wrote:

bejustandfearprokas wrote: Stewards Vest Cams?! Does any club have these?

Sure some business could easily sort out the mini goals, full size goals and the HDMI screens etc.


Exactly what we were talking about yesterday in the pub pre-match, is there nobody at the club who has the front and face to go around local businesses to get these sort of items for nothing? For example walk in the Sony Centre, ask for a £500 plasma in return for a surround promoting the shop saying it was kindly donated by the Sony Centre. Someone like Knighton or Martin Hudson would have the charisma and charm to have half a dozen free Tv’s within a week!


Probably more that it’ll be a job going through a Yellow Pages (Do they still exist?!) and making up a list of Companies we haven’t pissed off!


And on that subject, anybody know what they did to piss AST off as I see they didn't do the vynils on the club shop this year and it was the printers that Jenkins owns that did it


Jenkins doesn't own H&H Reeds Printers.

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23 Sep 2018 22:38 #49 by Laffy
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Laffy wrote: Ok-why would a local business donate anything when;

A-the club doesn’t pay its bills,allegedly,and;

B-it’s now run by one of the UKs richest men with a Chairman who is also worth a few quid and;

C-The Bribery Act which is making a massive impact on client entertaining and gifts(I kid you not)

I would rather give money or goods to a more deserving cause to be honest.

These days,sponsors want something back-a good day out,entertainment-a return on their investment so long as it’s outside the reach of the Bribery Act.Sadly the current offering is not up to scratch or value for money.


Andrew if you've money you're desperate to give away just set up a charitable foundation like Andy Holt did he gives away loads of 5k grants to lots of organisations and I believe its tax efficient too And no you don't have to be a charity to benefit a local amateur club asked him if he had any spare breeze blocks and he gave them 5 grand all they had to do was match it with other donations or raise an equivalent amount themselves [ they actually found two other companies willing to donate 2.5k each ] so had 10 grand in a week when all they were originally after was a few blocks to rebuild a wall.


I give a lot away to charity every year-and I enjoy doing it.Bought an electric wheelchair earlier this year at a Variey Club do on condition I could hand it over to the young lad myself and boy did it give me a buzz.

But that is not the same as handing over cash or goods to a football club owned by well heeled individuals.Far from it.The future of the Trust is probably as a charitable foundation however and me and others would happily donate if the money was used to promote football and related stuff in the community

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23 Sep 2018 22:38 #50 by franksidebottom
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nobbyblue wrote: Small fry for the club? You're not making any sense.


So a professional football league club which turns over a few million pounds a year trying to source a plasma telly isn’t small fry? Makes perfect sense.

“Yeah, I know of Barry. Bit of a fantasist” - John Courtenay 2003

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