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21 Jan 2020 19:25 #51 by Alan
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Question for the supporters Group.

Over the last year what positive contributions have you made to the club ?

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21 Jan 2020 19:44 #52 by Mush
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Arragorn wrote: Don't you mean lass :)


Is it a bird? Is it a bloke? How should I know? Sorry I spoke!
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21 Jan 2020 20:20 #53 by Kessler
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Not a bird, the club don't employ avians.

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21 Jan 2020 20:22 #54 by pigeonpete
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well something avian is shitting on the seats
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21 Jan 2020 20:29 #55 by Kessler
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pigeonpete wrote: well something avian is shitting on the seats


Well I can confirm that's not me :)

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21 Jan 2020 20:29 #56 by CCU
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Kessler wrote: Not a bird, the club don't employ avians.


Yes they do!

www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/16750825.meet...e-mess-making-birds/

:)

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21 Jan 2020 20:32 #57 by Kessler
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CCU wrote:

Kessler wrote: Not a bird, the club don't employ avians.


Yes they do!

www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/16750825.meet...e-mess-making-birds/

:)


Damn, I've been outed.

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21 Jan 2020 21:29 #58 by Lakelandterrier
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Kessler wrote: Not a bird, the club don't employ avians.



There are certainly a few bird brains though!

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21 Jan 2020 21:31 #59 by munchymagic
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Kessler wrote:

CCU wrote:

Kessler wrote: Not a bird, the club don't employ avians.


Yes they do!

www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/16750825.meet...e-mess-making-birds/

:)


Damn, I've been outed.


You outed yourself when you confirmed that you didn't eat meat....

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21 Jan 2020 22:39 #60 by Kessler
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munchymagic wrote:

Kessler wrote:

CCU wrote:

Kessler wrote: Not a bird, the club don't employ avians.


Yes they do!

www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/16750825.meet...e-mess-making-birds/

:)


Damn, I've been outed.


You outed yourself when you confirmed that you didn't eat meat....


I don't need to, most of the birds fly away when they see me.

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22 Jan 2020 14:07 #61 by CUFC52
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When he came to Carlisle United David Holdsworth promised accountability, can I ask who is accountable for the following ?

What can only be described as car crash of a last 12 months, going from 3rd in the leauge, the most in form team in the country, to 4th bottom:

Player transfers?
Appointment of Pressley?
Extension of Pressley?
Spending or managing the Branthwaite, Mccaron and FA cup money? (Whoever’s responsibility this is a dialogue or statement to fans would be appreciated)

Ground improvements?
Match day experience?
Marketing?
Attracting new sponsors?
Responsible for the bid which Barrow subsequently laughed at ?

It’s been well documented David Holdsworth was the man who selected Chris Beech, based on him being accountable for this, will the board be removing him from his potion if we are relegated (Been claims from the club we have the power too, not sure we do though).

What objectives does Holdsworth have in his role ? How is his performance measured ?

What is Kev Dobinsons role within the club?

Suerly our director of football should be responsible for shaping a vision for our transfers and progress, what is ours ?
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22 Jan 2020 14:12 #62 by CUFC52
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In 2013 John Nixon stated:

"That's the challenge (The Championship), and if we aren't up for that challenge, we shouldn't be putting football on here every week"

Why is he deemed suitable to be on both boards, given his undisputed failure at his aims?
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22 Jan 2020 14:14 #63 by CCU
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Kevin Dobinson was covered last Month.

Q11: www.carlisleunited.co.uk/siteassets/docu...2019---version-2.pdf

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22 Jan 2020 14:16 #64 by CUFC52
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Finally, you mentioned previously, the board were ensure etc about how to repair their relationship with fans, have they thought about apologising ?

A sorry for the last 12 years (blue yonder, billionaire, stadium falling down, lack of engagement, that’s before the football side) might go a long way with some fans.
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22 Jan 2020 15:17 #65 by paddockite
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Question for John Nixon.

Back in 2013/14, you said in numerous interviews that the club could not move to the next level (The Championship), or support its managers without a new stadium.

What have we done since to 1. Get a new stadium. 2. Improve facilities, to a standard that they're ready to move through the leagues.

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22 Jan 2020 15:43 #66 by Mullen103
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Apologies for an extra two - somethings rattled me!

In the EFL statement dated 22nd January about Andrew Jenkins, It states apparently written by Mr Jenkins that “it’s always been our own money”

Erm am I missing something here? Under Jenkins 1st distraous tenure we could no longer pay debts and he had too sell to Michael Knighton. Under his 2nd tenure, also turning out be a disaster he was on the beg and now in debt to EWM for a reported £2 million. How on earth can he stare it’s always been his own money, that’s a plain lie and a ludicrous thing to say as it’s wrong!

In a piece written in the program by Andrew Jenkins in our penultimate season we had in league 1. Andrew Jenkins stated we were going through what was the darkest period he could remember. We are now 4th bottom in tier 4? What does he think now? When is he going to do the right thing and leave?

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22 Jan 2020 17:31 #67 by Kessler
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I've had a look and two of my questions can be merged into one. Can questions 5 and 6 in my post be deleted and replaced with

"You said before that fans are allowed to criticize and that it's part and parcel of running a club, but at a recent match day briefing we were told that banners which criticize the BOD weren’t allowed. I don’t know whether this was a misunderstanding by the supervisor, or whether they were given that instruction from above. Can you clarify if fans are allowed to bring in banners which criticize the BOD?"

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23 Jan 2020 13:02 #68 by Kessler
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And if CUFC52 is ok with it I'm happy for the question I asked about directors improving the relationship with fans to be merged with his question. Maybe something like this if he is ok with it?

"At the last meeting you said the directors could improve/repair the relationship with fans by engaging and talking to fans directly, sharing more information openly and honestly, demonstrating good stewardship of the club, and making decisions in the interests of the club. Can you give a couple of specific examples where they have made progress on this since the last meeting, and have they thought about apologizing?"

Just trying to see if any questions can be merged as it seems there is a lot of questions this month (a sad reflection on the club as the ideal would be to run the club so well that few/no questions need to be asked)
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23 Jan 2020 13:48 #69 by CCU
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I’ll sort the request from yesterday, but won’t be merging that question with somebody elses. They’ll be collated so similar ones are together, and may be answered as so but it’s not for us to join two different peoples Q’s into one...

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23 Jan 2020 14:14 #70 by Kessler
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CCU wrote: I’ll sort the request from yesterday, but won’t be merging that question with somebody elses. They’ll be collated so similar ones are together, and may be answered as so but it’s not for us to join two different peoples Q’s into one...


Thanks, just saw there is quite a lot of questions and realized that mine and CUFC52 had asked a similar question, but whatever format you think is best. Cheers for getting the request from yesterday sorted.

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24 Jan 2020 15:18 #71 by CUFC52
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To quote Lummy: “ I think the signings show where we are, cost cutting, bank the money that comes in and pray we limp over the line (not my words, those of PD man).”

We’ll have to believe him cause no one from the club will confirm or deny.

So my questions is if this is the clubs attitude to football, why should fans come down to Brunton Park on a Saturday ? (Please don’t give me cause it’s your team spiel etc... we’ve been doing this for many years, and this is arguably the worst team in living memory of the younger fans).

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24 Jan 2020 15:33 #72 by CCU
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Kessler’s title of most Q’s asked is in danger here 52...

;)

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24 Jan 2020 16:03 #73 by Arragorn
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Q for NC. What is the connection if any between CUFC and Eden Valley Sport Ltd of Global House Castle St. Carlisle?
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24 Jan 2020 18:43 #74 by Mullen103
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

heilkmoon wrote: Can we have an update on the "mystery proposal" of June that led to the resignation of John Kukuc.

What was nature of the proposal made that apparently had to be agreed to on a "tight timescale", was it agreed to/passed and what is the timescale for releasing this information to the supporters?


Don't see any need to ask that at the meeting the bloke comes on here he should be spilling the beans directly on here.


Could be legalities NS as to why he can’t!

I know when I was on a board we had a 5 year restriction.

I maybe haven’t looked in the right place but I can’t find anything in the policy/constitution about it, but it tends to be standard.

I don’t know Kukics situation but if he spilt it could have job implications/ trust implications etc etc.

The only way to know for certain what it is is to get your Blackpool lot to join and do a vote of no confidence/remove the current board then you’ll have full control what you can/can’t do.

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24 Jan 2020 19:02 #75 by Waltero
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Email the trust Richard and ask them if it is in their Constitution and if so where. If not then sell them the reasons. If they say it's an NDA then you know they're lying

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25 Jan 2020 00:23 #76 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mullen103 wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

heilkmoon wrote: Can we have an update on the "mystery proposal" of June that led to the resignation of John Kukuc.

What was nature of the proposal made that apparently had to be agreed to on a "tight timescale", was it agreed to/passed and what is the timescale for releasing this information to the supporters?


Don't see any need to ask that at the meeting the bloke comes on here he should be spilling the beans directly on here.


Could be legalities NS as to why he can’t!

I know when I was on a board we had a 5 year restriction.

I maybe haven’t looked in the right place but I can’t find anything in the policy/constitution about it, but it tends to be standard.

I don’t know Kukics situation but if he spilt it could have job implications/ trust implications etc etc.

The only way to know for certain what it is is to get your Blackpool lot to join and do a vote of no confidence/remove the current board then you’ll have full control what you can/can’t do.


Blackpool Lot ??

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26 Jan 2020 13:58 #77 by Mullen103
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The people you had set up to come into the trust.

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26 Jan 2020 15:57 #78 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mullen103 wrote: The people you had set up to come into the trust.


Richard i.m not going to explain it again but it certainly didn't involve anybody from Blackpool

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26 Jan 2020 16:13 #79 by Mullen103
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Mullen103 wrote: The people you had set up to come into the trust.


Richard i.m not going to explain it again but it certainly didn't involve anybody from Blackpool


Wherever there from, I’m sure you said Blackpool, if you’ve got the numbers get them on then you can set the constitution/agenda once your voted in.

Otherwise you’ll have to stick to the rules, however ridiculous they may be as those that are in charge make them.

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26 Jan 2020 16:50 - 26 Jan 2020 19:25 #80 by Sammy Taylor
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Mullen103 wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Mullen103 wrote: The people you had set up to come into the trust.


Richard i.m not going to explain it again but it certainly didn't involve anybody from Blackpool


Wherever there from, I’m sure you said Blackpool, if you’ve got the numbers get them on then you can set the constitution/agenda once your voted in.

Otherwise you’ll have to stick to the rules, however ridiculous they may be as those that are in charge make them.


Mullen are you on some sort of wind up ?

Why the hell would you want people from Blackpool or wherever on the Board of CUIST ?

Whats wrong with genuine fans from the Carlisle area ?
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26 Jan 2020 17:32 #81 by Mullen103
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I don’t

But if NS wants the trust to act in the way he wants, the only way to do that is to get people into trust positions or himself to be able to do that.

I’m sure NS said he had those people - if that’s the case then nows the time to get them onboard , if not then the trust can act/set rules however they want.

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26 Jan 2020 19:24 - 26 Jan 2020 19:27 #82 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Sammy Taylor wrote:

Mullen103 wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Mullen103 wrote: The people you had set up to come into the trust.


Richard i.m not going to explain it again but it certainly didn't involve anybody from Blackpool


Wherever there from, I’m sure you said Blackpool, if you’ve got the numbers get them on then you can set the constitution/agenda once your voted in.

Otherwise you’ll have to stick to the rules, however ridiculous they may be as those that are in charge make them.


Mullen are you on some sort of wind up ?

Why the hell would you want people from Blackpool or wherever on the Board of CUIST ?

Whats wrong with genuine fans from the Carlisle area ?


You tell me

There are over a thousand members on here if just a third of them joined the trust the present incumbents would be gone in a matter of months but like everything else, for some reason or another the people of North Cumbria just don't seem to be up for a fight of any sort anymore
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27 Jan 2020 13:33 #83 by CCU
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For the Club:

Page 33 of the Club’s Charter has this passage:

5. Media
The directors of 1921 will hold open media briefings on an ongoing basis. The aim is to hold them every 6 weeks.


What’s happened to these? They seem to have vanished (Similar to the last 2 parts of the DH interviews over the Summer!). Regular interaction with Supporters through both these Meetings via the local Media and the more traditional Forums are surely a key communication outlet?

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27 Jan 2020 15:30 #84 by Arragorn
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Question for the club. Was the attendance figure for the Cardiff City replay deliberately undercounted or did someone's calculator fail?
The attendance for Cardiff minus their fans was given as 4033. Walsall attendance 3811. Difference 222. There were far more than 222 extra home fans at the Cardiff match and that's not just my opinion either. Which attendance figure is wrong?
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30 Jan 2020 13:40 #85 by Kessler
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Mods can I just confirm that questions 5 and 6 from me will be merged/replaced with this

"You said before that fans are allowed to criticize and that it's part and parcel of running a club, but at a recent match day briefing we were told that banners which criticize the BOD weren’t allowed. I don’t know whether this was a misunderstanding by the supervisor, or whether they were given that instruction from above. Can you clarify if fans are allowed to bring in banners which criticize the BOD?"

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30 Jan 2020 13:43 #86 by CCU
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I told you didn’t I?

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30 Jan 2020 13:45 #87 by Kessler
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CCU wrote: I told you didn’t I?


I saw the original post hasn't been edited. I assume you're just going to collect the questions and make the necessary edits after that before passing them on, but just wanted to check.

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30 Jan 2020 13:49 #88 by melbourneblues
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Oh God he/she’s back.

Mullen is a virgin.
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30 Jan 2020 14:33 #89 by Mullen103
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I just want to make sure that my questions will be at the top of the response sheet IE question 1 - can’t be bothered to trapes through the sheet.

Plus I was here first ;)

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30 Jan 2020 16:47 #90 by Kessler
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I just want to make sure that Mullen has made sure his questions will be top of the sheet.

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30 Jan 2020 17:08 #91 by seesaw50
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Getting boring again
Some of these "questions" are ancient history and more a pop at JN
Everyone knows his role is limited now and past quotes are now irrelevant.
CCU ...which other of the supporters groups ask relevant questions?

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30 Jan 2020 17:14 #92 by Sammy Taylor
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Kessler wrote: Mods can I just confirm that questions 5 and 6 from me will be merged/replaced with this

"You said before that fans are allowed to criticize and that it's part and parcel of running a club, but at a recent match day briefing we were told that banners which criticize the BOD weren’t allowed. I don’t know whether this was a misunderstanding by the supervisor, or whether they were given that instruction from above. Can you clarify if fans are allowed to bring in banners which criticize the BOD?"



Kessler......The Simple answer to that question is..NO.

I don`t think to many fans would appreciate a few idiots waving a banner around while they are trying to watch the game.

If they`ve got nothing better to do don`t bother going to the match.!

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30 Jan 2020 17:45 - 30 Jan 2020 17:46 #93 by CCU
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seesaw50 wrote: CCU ...which other of the supporters groups ask relevant questions?


Odd one now and again, but most seem to say anything their Members would ask is often covered by you lot asking via here...

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30 Jan 2020 19:28 - 30 Jan 2020 19:47 #94 by Mullen103
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Why isn’t/did Andrew Jenkins attend the directors fans forum?

Why isn’t/did John Jackson attend the fans forum?

I presume the meeting is this Monday coming, can we therefore get assurances that the minutes/answers will be published prior to Friday’s forum

At least we’re not Stockport
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30 Jan 2020 19:35 #95 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mullen103 wrote: Why isn’t/did attend the directors fans forum?

Why isn’t/did John Jackson attend the fans forum?

I presume the meeting is this Monday coming, can we therefore get assurances that the minutes/answers will be published prior to Friday’s forum


If this is one of the two statutory forums then it's an owners forum, not a directors forum, Jackson is not an owner and in this context, the directors on the 1921 board and in fact that entity itself is actualy irrellevant.

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Thanks for all the Q’s folks. We’ll populate them onto the Sheet and send over later tonight.

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07 Feb 2020 07:37 - 07 Feb 2020 07:38 #97 by CCU
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Ere Kessler, was finishing off the Q&A sheet last night, ready for publication later today, realised I accidentally missed your last Q off. Must’ve accidentally deleted when I was faffing about with your merged 5 & 6 just before it. Will pop it to the top of the sheet for the next Meeting...

(The attendances have dropped one)

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07 Feb 2020 08:27 #98 by Kessler
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CCU wrote: Ere Kessler, was finishing off the Q&A sheet last night, ready for publication later today, realised I accidentally missed your last Q off. Must’ve accidentally deleted when I was faffing about with your merged 5 & 6 just before it. Will pop it to the top of the sheet for the next Meeting...

(The attendances have dropped one)


The attendances have dropped a lot more than one! :P

But seriously that's ok, and thanks for letting me know.

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07 Feb 2020 09:32 #99 by Kessler
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When do they get published? I'm glued to my screen.

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07 Feb 2020 10:29 #100 by CCU
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Shouldn’t be long, usual aim is around Midday...

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