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Some of the post's are now becoming Trup'esq.

We have an unknown virus killing people across the planet, and our Government should have been prepared, what, like every other Government in Europe, Russia, India and the America's ?

Some on here need a reality check.

Corbyn is shoe-horned back in to keep Unisons money coming, should their be a public inquiry, about cronyism and Labour looking after it's mates ? Did they hold a ballot amongst members to see if they wanted the Antisemitic back ?

It seems to have slipped the news that recent Labour NEC elections has seen the old left of left including Momentum securing more influence.

Public procurement is a snail, a monster created by policy and procedure that has so much Union influence all over it, we used to throw all Council tenders in the bin.

No one was sitting around twiddling their thumbs, and finding someone just to read the 50 page pre-q document was out of the question. Which is why all Government and Local Council contacts have fallen into the hands of very large corporates, who take forever to get the job done, and now have the Councils by the short and curly's.

Then their is the private sector, that get's on with it, and during a pandemic that is what we needed to do. A time to throw away the procedure manual, and worry about it later.

However, the furore has had the desired affect, it's shifted the Corbyn debacle to story no 2 or 3 on the news.
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Corbyn is shoe-horned back in to keep Unisons money coming, should their be a public inquiry, about cronyism and Labour looking after it's mates ? Did they hold a ballot amongst members to see if they wanted the Antisemitic back ?


I thought they had suspended Corbyn. Did they suspend an anti semite as well and if so who was it?

It seems to have slipped the news that recent Labour NEC elections has seen the old left of left including Momentum securing more influence.


I think unions having more influence can only be a good thing. Employers can't always be relied on to treat staff well, so workers need organizations with a bit of clout to defend their corner.

Then their is the private sector, that get's on with it, and during a pandemic that is what we needed to do.


Yes that highly efficient private sector. Remind me how well the test and trace system is doing under the management of Serco?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-54974373

Totally outrageous this whole PPE procurement issue, and government transparency.

I'm sure Lapping can defend them.
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Corbyn is an Independent MP currently.

He may be allowed back in the Labour Party, but Starmer has NOT reinstated the Whip, so he isn’t in the Labour Parliamentary Group...
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Sorry but I don’t believe in racketeering-but to counter the argument, I’m sure securing PPE was more important than worrying about its provenance.The headlines at the time were ‘we need more PPE’

Said before Kes, the way out of debt is to inflate so expect more of the same for a while
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Corbyn is shoe-horned back in to keep Unisons money coming, should their be a public inquiry, about cronyism and Labour looking after it's mates ? Did they hold a ballot amongst members to see if they wanted the Antisemitic back ?


I thought they had suspended Corbyn. Did they suspend an anti semite as well and if so who was it?

It seems to have slipped the news that recent Labour NEC elections has seen the old left of left including Momentum securing more influence.


I think unions having more influence can only be a good thing. Employers can't always be relied on to treat staff well, so workers need organizations with a bit of clout to defend their corner.

Then their is the private sector, that get's on with it, and during a pandemic that is what we needed to do.


Yes that highly efficient private sector. Remind me how well the test and trace system is doing under the management of Serco?




"We’ve seen multiple claims that suggest the recently launched NHS Test and Trace app for England and Wales is not made by and owned by the NHS, but by Serco, a private company that is contracted to provide a range of public services.

Firstly, Serco played no role in the creation of the NHS Test and Trace app. This is shown in numerous ways—the company is not listed as a group involved in the app, which includes arms of the NHS, as well as staff from the private firm Accenture, and the company is not mentioned in relation to the app in coverage

Serco is not listed as processing any data in the app’s privacy notice.

Confusion may have stemmed from the fact that Serco does play a role in the Test and Trace process, rather than the app itself. Along with other companies, Serco is contracted to manage facilities at some regional test sites as well as some aspects of contact tracing via call centres for pillar 2 tests, (which are tests taken by members of the public). However, this work is separate from the app.

It’s unclear where this claim first originated, although Russia Today did claim Serco were behind the app in May.

Contracts awarded to Serco by the government can be found in the awarded and closed section of gov.uk’s Contracts Finder tool."
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Sorry but I don’t believe in racketeering-but to counter the argument, I’m sure securing PPE was more important than worrying about its provenance.The headlines at the time were ‘we need more PPE’


True but the fact contracts only seem to have gone to Conservative donors and businessmen and not Labour suggests deliberate choice from the government.

Said before Kes, the way out of debt is to inflate so expect more of the same for a while


Did you read up about MMT, you said you'd have a look at it and give me your thoughts?
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There is nothing to say companies with Labour donors were not used in the procurement process - it just doesn't make as good a headline.
I've no problems with the government short circuiting the procurement process in order to obtain PPE as speed was obviously of the essence.
What I do have a problem with (and this is a general gripe) is why do governments/councils etc use 'consultants', when more often than not they have the necessary expertise in house. I can only assume that they can them blame the 'consultants' when things go tits up.
All it generally does is cream off a huge slice of the budget to line some fat cat pockets.
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All it generally does is cream off a huge slice of the budget to line some fat cat pockets.


Can I tempt you towards socialism?
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Kessler, I don't pretend to know enough about the subject to be honest and certainly do want to get into some deep, intellectual debate on it (I will leave that to you and Laffy)
I think I err somewhere between Capitalism and Socialism and I can see benefits in both without going into extremes in either direction...and I think we as a country have the balance just about right.
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Thanks Top-I agree with you

If contracts were pushed towards Labour, I’m sure they wouldn’t have found their way anywhere the Jewish community.

As usual, the media headlines mask the reality-we were screaming for PPE
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The same top.

I like some socialist views, like looking after the vulnerable etc etc. I can’t support the extreme policies as it’ll create a lazy society.

I like some capalist views as it gives you something to aim for. Too extreme and it looks after the rich and buggers the poor.
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Thanks Top-I agree with you

If contracts were pushed towards Labour, I’m sure they wouldn’t have found their way anywhere the Jewish community.

As usual, the media headlines mask the reality-we were screaming for PPE


The Tory's could go round shooting people for no reason and you'd still defend them and you'd somehow get a dig in about Corbyn too! :o
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Just being topical mush.Corbyn is a stain on Britain with his anti western views, combined with his anti Semitic rhetoric.He would cause an argument in a Quaker House.

I challenge anyone to come up with anything better on PPE given the urgency
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I never realised the Jewish community had so much support on this board.
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I wonder how Corbyn would would have fared had he campaigned to remain instead of constantly sitting on the fence seemingly waiting to see which way the wind blew.
Had he done so he may well have received a vote from me (my first ever for labour), but how many died in the wool labour voters would he have lost had he done so?
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Just being topical mush.Corbyn is a stain on Britain with his anti western views, combined with his anti Semitic rhetoric.He would cause an argument in a Quaker House.

I challenge anyone to come up with anything better on PPE given the urgency


Johnson is univolved ape/man who lies constantly. Tory's have aways looked after the rich and still do.
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Shopping centre owner British Land takes £1bn hit to portfolio. Value of property company’s retail assets decline as Covid-19 drives down rental income

I know you disagree Laffy but I'm not feeling too good about property right now. My ISA used to include one of their property index funds but I changed the allocation a while ago. I'll wait to see what happens with the virus and Brexit uncertainty.
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"I wonder how Corbyn would would have fared had he campaigned to remain instead of constantly sitting on the fence seemingly waiting to see which way the wind blew.
Had he done so he may well have received a vote from me (my first ever for labour), but how many died in the wool labour voters would he have lost had he done so?"

Regardless of anyone's personal feelings towards Corbyn , from a Brexit position he was screwed either way. It was easy for Johnson ("get Brexit done";) and Swanson ("get Brexit stopped";) but the Labour support was split. Whichever way he went Corbyn was going to lose support. In the end, unfortunately, by not committing he lost both!
I know people who wouldn't vote Labour because he wouldn't back a second referendum and there were clearly others who changed their vote because they felt he was obstructing the process. In the end his approach was to try to fight the election on everything but Brexit and that failed as well.

The result : the biggest national crisis since WW2 is now being handled by a thick as pig shit tv personality.
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People say that Corbyn is racist. He spent his youth campaigning against apartheid, that's not a man who discriminates. Meanwhile Boris makes openly racist remarks like saying Muslim women look like "letterboxes" and he is given a free pass?
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The trouble nowadays is people go by personalities more than policies

Boris may actually be the kind of serial absent dad the conservatives would demonise if he was called Dean or Errol and came from a council estate, but has successfully built an image as a knockabout what-ho Rudyard Kipling character. Corbyn however came over as a stubborn, humourless college lecturer who spent his spare time writing pamphlets on the deficiencies of the party rulebook.

Starmer in comparison gives off a Spock-like air of logic and competence that people like, esp compared to the current government.
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I agree Champion. Corbyn was really in a no win situation, and as I said earlier the Downing Street cat would have won the election if it was committed to leave given that so many had been had been sucked in by the lies and false promises.
Not to worry we are meant to get a deal within the next few days, where both sides will claim victory and joe public will not have a clue how to navigate their way through the PR nonsense.
Even after the deal they will still need to start to decide what to do regarding minor details like financial services and Northern Ireland, but never mind I am sure it will all be worth it in the end.............
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Corbyn is Twittering this morning about the failure of privatised companies during the Pandemic, he is blaming Serco (again) for the failure of Test and Trace.

Their are 35 Companies involved in T&T, four of them are owned by the NHS. here are some of the players.

I wonder how much of Jezza's support comes from the Ruskies........


"Thirty-five organisations are listed as “data processors” involved in the NHS Test and Trace system but only four are NHS bodies. Four are Lighthouse Labs (see below).

A further four are Public Health England bodies and another is the Ministry of Defence."

The remaining 22 are private companies:

ACF Technologies – provided software to enable you to book a test at a regional test site
Amazon – provides logistics for home delivery of test kits, collecting completed test kits from homes and delivering them to labs
Amazon Web Services (AWS) – provides digital solution for ordering home test kits
AstraZeneca – analyses samples from the completed test kits
Barcode warehouse – provides bar codes for test kits
Boots – provides testers and test supervisors on regional test sites
Deloitte – manages the registration and appointment booking, provides the capability for users to enter sample bar codes and responsible for holding data captured by the registration system and making it available to the NHS
DHL – collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
EMIS Health – provides Keystone product to enable NPEx to link your test result to your GP record
Experience Lab – provides user or market research for people who have undertaken tests
G4S – provides facilities management for some regional test sites
Jigsaw24 – provides mobile phones and SIMs for the mobile test units apps
Kuenhe + Nagel – Collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
Levy – provides facilities management for some regional test sites
Palantir – analyses anonymised data
Randox – supplies home test kits, analyses the samples, informs you of the result of your Randox home test
Royal Mail Group – collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
Serco -– provides facilities management for some regional test sites”
ServerLabs – builds the “digital solution”
Sodexo – provides testers on regional test sites, and facilities management for some regional test sites
Teleperformance – provides call centre assistance
TransUnion – provides identity verification checks as part of the registration process for a home test kit
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Test reply....will it be slow?
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This reply still took a while to post. You mods should really ask for your money back, EasyDiscuss is terrible and the support seems non existent. If only there was alternative forum software to use with free support, then we could have proper "Discourse" without waiting ages for replies to be posted.
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Test reply....will it be slow?


Yes
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Test
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So, what about El Donald, what horrors will he unleash on the World before leaving ?

It looks like the Middle East and Afghanistan are his targets. Pulling out Yank troops will allow a bloodbath, with the Taliban taking power in Afghanistan and ISIS regaining ground in Iraq.

A political civil war in America, and whatever other poison he can drum up.

I'm surprise he hasn't Nuked anybody yet, but theirs time I suppose.
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Donald's now been phoning republican election officials to change their mind which IS electoral interference and illegal
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Corbyn is Twittering this morning about the failure of privatised companies during the Pandemic, he is blaming Serco (again) for the failure of Test and Trace.

Their are 35 Companies involved in T&T, four of them are owned by the NHS. here are some of the players.

I wonder how much of Jezza's support comes from the Ruskies........


"Thirty-five organisations are listed as “data processors” involved in the NHS Test and Trace system but only four are NHS bodies. Four are Lighthouse Labs (see below).

A further four are Public Health England bodies and another is the Ministry of Defence."

The remaining 22 are private companies:

ACF Technologies – provided software to enable you to book a test at a regional test site
Amazon – provides logistics for home delivery of test kits, collecting completed test kits from homes and delivering them to labs
Amazon Web Services (AWS) – provides digital solution for ordering home test kits
AstraZeneca – analyses samples from the completed test kits
Barcode warehouse – provides bar codes for test kits
Boots – provides testers and test supervisors on regional test sites
Deloitte – manages the registration and appointment booking, provides the capability for users to enter sample bar codes and responsible for holding data captured by the registration system and making it available to the NHS
DHL – collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
EMIS Health – provides Keystone product to enable NPEx to link your test result to your GP record
Experience Lab – provides user or market research for people who have undertaken tests
G4S – provides facilities management for some regional test sites
Jigsaw24 – provides mobile phones and SIMs for the mobile test units apps
Kuenhe + Nagel – Collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
Levy – provides facilities management for some regional test sites
Palantir – analyses anonymised data
Randox – supplies home test kits, analyses the samples, informs you of the result of your Randox home test
Royal Mail Group – collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
Serco -– provides facilities management for some regional test sites”
ServerLabs – builds the “digital solution”
Sodexo – provides testers on regional test sites, and facilities management for some regional test sites
Teleperformance – provides call centre assistance
TransUnion – provides identity verification checks as part of the registration process for a home test kit


22 companies plus four public ones to run a test and trace system. Far too many.. Imagine trying to keep an eye on that many. It looks like a case of complication for the sake of it, or jobs for the boys..
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Corbyn is Twittering this morning about the failure of privatised companies during the Pandemic, he is blaming Serco (again) for the failure of Test and Trace.

Their are 35 Companies involved in T&T, four of them are owned by the NHS. here are some of the players.

I wonder how much of Jezza's support comes from the Ruskies........


"Thirty-five organisations are listed as “data processors” involved in the NHS Test and Trace system but only four are NHS bodies. Four are Lighthouse Labs (see below).

A further four are Public Health England bodies and another is the Ministry of Defence."

The remaining 22 are private companies:

ACF Technologies – provided software to enable you to book a test at a regional test site
Amazon – provides logistics for home delivery of test kits, collecting completed test kits from homes and delivering them to labs
Amazon Web Services (AWS) – provides digital solution for ordering home test kits
AstraZeneca – analyses samples from the completed test kits
Barcode warehouse – provides bar codes for test kits
Boots – provides testers and test supervisors on regional test sites
Deloitte – manages the registration and appointment booking, provides the capability for users to enter sample bar codes and responsible for holding data captured by the registration system and making it available to the NHS
DHL – collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
EMIS Health – provides Keystone product to enable NPEx to link your test result to your GP record
Experience Lab – provides user or market research for people who have undertaken tests
G4S – provides facilities management for some regional test sites
Jigsaw24 – provides mobile phones and SIMs for the mobile test units apps
Kuenhe + Nagel – Collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
Levy – provides facilities management for some regional test sites
Palantir – analyses anonymised data
Randox – supplies home test kits, analyses the samples, informs you of the result of your Randox home test
Royal Mail Group – collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
Serco -– provides facilities management for some regional test sites”
ServerLabs – builds the “digital solution”
Sodexo – provides testers on regional test sites, and facilities management for some regional test sites
Teleperformance – provides call centre assistance
TransUnion – provides identity verification checks as part of the registration process for a home test kit


22 companies plus four public ones to run a test and trace system. Far too many.. Imagine trying to keep an eye on that many. It looks like a case of complication for the sake of it, or jobs for the boys..


So, like Corbyn, do you think the NHS could have handled it on their own. ?
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Did you get your Financial Times today Laffy?

Replies posting quickly now, thanks mods whatever you did seems to be working.
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22 companies plus four public ones to run a test and trace system. Far too many.. Imagine trying to keep an eye on that many. It looks like a case of complication for the sake of it, or jobs for the boys..

Do you know of one organisation who had the capability of organising the whole thing ?.....and don't say the NHS, as they have been a bit busy of late.
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Did you get your Financial Times today Laffy?

Replies posting quickly now, thanks mods whatever you did seems to be working.


Laffys probably busy on the phone to Boris to demand Patel is relieved of her duties given his zero tolerance stance on antisemitism
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It's the nett result of Civil Servants not liking being told what to do.

When you have pompous ' permanent' clubs in the Civil service that think they run affairs not the Government, and a minister who wan'ts action now, not a good recipe for abiding by Club rules. "Why do it now, when we could spin it out for the next 12 months, " and " you can't tell me what to do"

I would not last 10 mins in a public position.
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I think Boris should sack her.A bully is a bully-I have sacked managers who send threatening e mails on a Friday night so it spoils the weekend for employees and families.I was bullied early on in my career and swore then that I would never treat someone the way I was treated

Sack her and move on-she will never shake the story off
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But she reduced shop lifting, during lockdown, to an all time low.

Hero!
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I think Boris should sack her.A bully is a bully-I have sacked managers who send threatening e mails on a Friday night so it spoils the weekend for employees and families.I was bullied early on in my career and swore then that I would never treat someone the way I was treated

Sack her and move on-she will never shake the story off


The great man 'Boris' has backed her though Laffy!

No matter what you say about Corbyn he's got a lot more morals than Johnson and Co. What's your opinion on Matt Hancock?
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She couldnt stop the flow of illegal immigrants across the Channel & still cant. She should be sacked for that.
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I think Hancock is alright-in fact I don’t think the govt have done a bad job.Time will tell of course but across Europe, broadly same performance.

Corbyn is an anti western enemy of the state.He has morals-based largely on Marxist theory.He has spent his life objecting-it was no surprise he would be found out as a leader as it’s not his instinct.I look forward to his mate Ian Lavery challenging Starmer-he has so much baggage, it will make Boris look like Mother Theresa
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It's the nett result of Civil Servants not liking being told what to do.

When you have pompous ' permanent' clubs in the Civil service that think they run affairs not the Government, and a minister who wan'ts action now, not a good recipe for abiding by Club rules. "Why do it now, when we could spin it out for the next 12 months, " and " you can't tell me what to do"

I would not last 10 mins in a public position.


Christ’s sake, Civil Servants are there to deliver Government policy and that’s what they do. I was a Home Office CS for 35 years and that’s what we all did. Ministers are always difficult but Private Office staff and Ministers generally reach a working arrangement quite quickly. A problem sometimes arises when a Minster demands that something be done that is clearly impossible because just asking for something doesn’t mean that it’s attainable. Most Ministers accept that there may be a solution that that will take more time or more resources than they expect, in other words Ministers need to have their expectations managed. Priti Patel was clearly not up for that, and went off on one. Several times in three different Government Departments. Once would have been accepted as her having a bad day. More is completely unacceptable. Sack the bitch.
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I agree Griff-she has become the news.Not the first time for her.What’s the point of a Code if it’s ignored?
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I think Hancock is alright-in fact I don’t think the govt have done a bad job.Time will tell of course but across Europe, broadly same performance.

Hancock is alright and the government have done a good job??
God you do wear blue tinted glasses! :o
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Corbyn is Twittering this morning about the failure of privatised companies during the Pandemic, he is blaming Serco (again) for the failure of Test and Trace.

Their are 35 Companies involved in T&T, four of them are owned by the NHS. here are some of the players.

I wonder how much of Jezza's support comes from the Ruskies........


"Thirty-five organisations are listed as “data processors” involved in the NHS Test and Trace system but only four are NHS bodies. Four are Lighthouse Labs (see below).

A further four are Public Health England bodies and another is the Ministry of Defence."

The remaining 22 are private companies:

ACF Technologies – provided software to enable you to book a test at a regional test site
Amazon – provides logistics for home delivery of test kits, collecting completed test kits from homes and delivering them to labs
Amazon Web Services (AWS) – provides digital solution for ordering home test kits
AstraZeneca – analyses samples from the completed test kits
Barcode warehouse – provides bar codes for test kits
Boots – provides testers and test supervisors on regional test sites
Deloitte – manages the registration and appointment booking, provides the capability for users to enter sample bar codes and responsible for holding data captured by the registration system and making it available to the NHS
DHL – collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
EMIS Health – provides Keystone product to enable NPEx to link your test result to your GP record
Experience Lab – provides user or market research for people who have undertaken tests
G4S – provides facilities management for some regional test sites
Jigsaw24 – provides mobile phones and SIMs for the mobile test units apps
Kuenhe + Nagel – Collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
Levy – provides facilities management for some regional test sites
Palantir – analyses anonymised data
Randox – supplies home test kits, analyses the samples, informs you of the result of your Randox home test
Royal Mail Group – collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
Serco -– provides facilities management for some regional test sites”
ServerLabs – builds the “digital solution”
Sodexo – provides testers on regional test sites, and facilities management for some regional test sites
Teleperformance – provides call centre assistance
TransUnion – provides identity verification checks as part of the registration process for a home test kit


22 companies plus four public ones to run a test and trace system. Far too many.. Imagine trying to keep an eye on that many. It looks like a case of complication for the sake of it, or jobs for the boys..


So, like Corbyn, do you think the NHS could have handled it on their own. ?


No.

Local authorities should have been more involved. They have managed to contact over 80% of cases they have been given where the National Tracing System failed to trace.. And they are only allowed to contact trace those who have tested positive. They are not allowed to trace those who have been in contact with positive cases as these have to be referred back to the National Tracing System.
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22 companies plus four public ones to run a test and trace system. Far too many.. Imagine trying to keep an eye on that many. It looks like a case of complication for the sake of it, or jobs for the boys..


Do you know of one organisation who had the capability of organising the whole thing ?.....and don't say the NHS, as they have been a bit busy of late.

Yes and No.

Yes.
The one organization running it is the government.

No
The government doesn't seem capable of organizing it.

The National Test and Trace system can't even contact all those in the same household, Which means they are trying to count those as positive tracings . One household even got 45 calls from the National Tracing System. I wonder if they can claim that each of those calls was a positive tracing.
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@Laffy any gold in your portfolio? There was an article in the FT yesterday suggesting it will be on a sustained downward trend. I thought about saving up to add a little bit to mine a while ago but decided not to. It feels like pure speculation because the gold doesn't actually do anything by itself, you're just hoping someone else will eventually pay more for it. With a tracker fund you can look at the list of companies you'll be invested in and see how they actually make their money, for example a car company manufactures cars and sells at a profit which is what gives the shares value.
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Corbyn is Twittering this morning about the failure of privatised companies during the Pandemic, he is blaming Serco (again) for the failure of Test and Trace.

Their are 35 Companies involved in T&T, four of them are owned by the NHS. here are some of the players.

I wonder how much of Jezza's support comes from the Ruskies........


"Thirty-five organisations are listed as “data processors” involved in the NHS Test and Trace system but only four are NHS bodies. Four are Lighthouse Labs (see below).

A further four are Public Health England bodies and another is the Ministry of Defence."

The remaining 22 are private companies:

ACF Technologies – provided software to enable you to book a test at a regional test site
Amazon – provides logistics for home delivery of test kits, collecting completed test kits from homes and delivering them to labs
Amazon Web Services (AWS) – provides digital solution for ordering home test kits
AstraZeneca – analyses samples from the completed test kits
Barcode warehouse – provides bar codes for test kits
Boots – provides testers and test supervisors on regional test sites
Deloitte – manages the registration and appointment booking, provides the capability for users to enter sample bar codes and responsible for holding data captured by the registration system and making it available to the NHS
DHL – collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
EMIS Health – provides Keystone product to enable NPEx to link your test result to your GP record
Experience Lab – provides user or market research for people who have undertaken tests
G4S – provides facilities management for some regional test sites
Jigsaw24 – provides mobile phones and SIMs for the mobile test units apps
Kuenhe + Nagel – Collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
Levy – provides facilities management for some regional test sites
Palantir – analyses anonymised data
Randox – supplies home test kits, analyses the samples, informs you of the result of your Randox home test
Royal Mail Group – collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
Serco -– provides facilities management for some regional test sites”
ServerLabs – builds the “digital solution”
Sodexo – provides testers on regional test sites, and facilities management for some regional test sites
Teleperformance – provides call centre assistance
TransUnion – provides identity verification checks as part of the registration process for a home test kit


22 companies plus four public ones to run a test and trace system. Far too many.. Imagine trying to keep an eye on that many. It looks like a case of complication for the sake of it, or jobs for the boys..


So, like Corbyn, do you think the NHS could have handled it on their own. ?


No.

Local authorities should have been more involved. They have managed to contact over 80% of cases they have been given where the National Tracing System failed to trace.. And they are only allowed to contact trace those who have tested positive. They are not allowed to trace those who have been in contact with positive cases as these have to be referred back to the National Tracing System.



One of the weakest areas during lock down has been enforcement. This has been blatantly politicised by the likes of Brurnham, Khan, The Mackem Miner, and several other Labour run Councils " we're not going into tier x without the loot from the Government (taxpayers) dosh." what message did that send to local residents ? What chance of the militant left following the Governments rules ? The only one who played ball was the Mayor in Liverpool.

So, if Local authorities cannot help enforce lock-down, what chance had they with Track and Trace ?
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This has been blatantly politicised by the likes of Brurnham, Khan, The Mackem Miner, and several other Labour run Councils " we're not going into tier x without the loot from the Government (taxpayers) dosh."


I don't see how that is politicizing anything, they're just saying they need adequate financial support to help individuals and businesses whose income will be affected by the restrictions.

What a world we live in, where asking for enough money to prevent people being homeless and starving to death is seen as "politicizing". That's capitalism for you.
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