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Hi all,

We’ll be implementing some behind the scenes changes in the coming weeks.

Upgrading the software that runs the Forum etc, should mainly be stuff that won’t affect you lot, but could be some cosmetic changes too!

We’ll update as/when it happens, in case the site goes clunky or changes suddenly.

May as well get it done whilst football is on hold in these strange times.

Hope you’re all well!

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I like this barrow one. At a glance you can see the threads, how many pages there are, how many replies who was the last poster and when it was posted (actual day rather than just the date)

All neat and tidy.

https://barrowafc.net/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=c72e739f177a1d9327f99a6829c68683


Most independent forums use a similar format/template to the Barrow one. There is nothing wrong with it. Perfectly usable with all the information there to see.
  1. 19-07-2020 15:23
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I like this barrow one. At a glance you can see the threads, how many pages there are, how many replies who was the last poster and when it was posted (actual day rather than just the date)

All neat and tidy.

https://barrowafc.net/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=c72e739f177a1d9327f99a6829c68683
  1. 19-07-2020 12:29
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It's not very user friendly it has to be said. Probably the worst messageboard I've seen.
  1. 19-07-2020 12:23
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This is the view I get when I First press on a thread [attachment]909944D3-D235-43E2-A3E2-31766DE7F5A2.png[/attachment]


Ahh, you need to be logged in to reply, but not to view posts...that's how the site owners want it to be.

It shouldn't be popping up any login prompt to simply view the forum threads.

I'm still chasing the slow reply/page reload issue - it doesn't always happen so is hard to nail down. This is why you clicked reply but thought the page didn't reload...it would have reloaded to see the reply in place if you waited.
  1. 19-07-2020 11:53
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I have logged the slow posting issue with StackIdeas support - also submitted a feature request about the 'Jump to last unread' - this isn't a setting we have at the moment, only to choose if clicking a thread jumps to the first post or last post...which I agree, is not exactly the best. I can't guarantee the jump to last unread will be something implemented quickly, however we should get the slow posting issue fixed promptly.




I suppose jump to last unread has only been about on forums for 20 years to be fair.
  1. 18-07-2020 16:23
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There is griffs site as an alternative, the old old one, you need a good advert blocker though.

Sorry mods - At first I liked this set up as it was easier to read on a mobile/tablet and imagined the functionality would get sorted. At this point now I have to agree with the others in that the old messageboard was far better in terms of functionality and a far better HCI.
  1. 18-07-2020 14:57
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The site really is a shambles
  1. 18-07-2020 14:19
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I've been logged in for days
  1. 18-07-2020 14:18
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Wish I hadn’t logged in to report this as it seems the forum is even poorer for users when they are signed in than those just viewing.
I attached that photo but more through luck than a user friendly site then I pressed reply and it didn’t automatically refresh the thread I had to go out and back in to make sure the post had posted. Can see why people are frustrated with it.
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This is the view I get when I First press on a thread 909944D3-D235-43E2-A3E2-31766DE7F5A2.png
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  1. 18-07-2020 14:04
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Sorry it doesn’t force me to log in, it is as you describe it jumps last post but the log in details block the post it’s just untidy and annoying as I don’t always want to log in as I forget to log out such as this morning and it seems it doesn’t automatically log you out.
  1. 18-07-2020 14:01
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It’s a pain that it automatically jumps to ask you to log in when you click on a thread. I mainly read only so don’t want to log in but it does it on every thread. You then have to cancel out of the log in to see read the thread.


I can check that, it shouldn't be forcing a login as viewing the forum doesn't require an account, leave it with me.


I can't replicate this one, when you click a thread it does jump to the last post, and the login box is beneath this, however it is not prompting me to login to view anything - can you grab a screenshot at all?
  1. 18-07-2020 13:28
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It’s a pain that it automatically jumps to ask you to log in when you click on a thread. I mainly read only so don’t want to log in but it does it on every thread. You then have to cancel out of the log in to see read the thread.


I can check that, it shouldn't be forcing a login as viewing the forum doesn't require an account, leave it with me.
  1. 18-07-2020 13:26
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It’s a pain that it automatically jumps to ask you to log in when you click on a thread. I mainly read only so don’t want to log in but it does it on every thread. You then have to cancel out of the log in to see read the thread.
  1. 18-07-2020 09:30
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I have logged the slow posting issue with StackIdeas support - also submitted a feature request about the 'Jump to last unread' - this isn't a setting we have at the moment, only to choose if clicking a thread jumps to the first post or last post...which I agree, is not exactly the best. I can't guarantee the jump to last unread will be something implemented quickly, however we should get the slow posting issue fixed promptly.
  1. 18-07-2020 09:15
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Agree with most on here this board is 'rubbish' of the highest order.
  1. 17-07-2020 11:42
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Can we not just go back to the old board, this one is the worst of any messgae board I have ever used.
  1. 17-07-2020 10:35
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Going to the last post, every time, isn’t very user friendly.

The features of the last board where better in terms of going to your last unread place, showing the number of unread posts and starting at that place.

I like the layout but it’s lacking in functionality, but saying that we’ve had a kit release and there’s been posts on it, so when there’s news people will use it.

Because there is no alternative though is there.
  1. 17-07-2020 09:56
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Going to the last post, every time, isn’t very user friendly.

The features of the last board where better in terms of going to your last unread place, showing the number of unread posts and starting at that place.

I like the layout but it’s lacking in functionality, but saying that we’ve had a kit release and there’s been posts on it, so when there’s news people will use it.
  1. 16-07-2020 14:29
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Reading the last page so logged on to reply and jumped back to the first page FFS.

Just get rid of this shit! :D
  1. 16-07-2020 12:32
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Where do i start ? This new " site " is a shambles of the highest order. You have to click on icons to see who posted the topic and who the last reply was. It gives dates instead of a simple "today" or yesterday or 1 day ago. You click on a thread and it takes you to the last post !. Who reads a book by starting at the last page ? You try and post a reply and it takes you to the first page not to the comment you wish to reply to. Seems to be a lot of wasted space on the first page. I have noticed not many people are logged on or using this site now .I wonder why !

Yep. Lucky if 6 posts a day now, but the owner of the site and the bloke who did the new site are happy with it.
Almost as if the club have asked them to silence the dissdients by sabotaging the forum :o :o :o
  1. 14-07-2020 14:20
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Where do i start ? This new " site " is a shambles of the highest order. You have to click on icons to see who posted the topic and who the last reply was. It gives dates instead of a simple "today" or yesterday or 1 day ago. You click on a thread and it takes you to the last post !. Who reads a book by starting at the last page ? You try and post a reply and it takes you to the first page not to the comment you wish to reply to. Seems to be a lot of wasted space on the first page. I have noticed not many people are logged on or using this site now .I wonder why !
  1. 14-07-2020 11:48
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Took an age to post a reply
  1. 14-07-2020 11:23
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It’s not very good. As someone else says it takes you to the last post and you have no clue what are the latest posts since you last read the thread... you have to scroll up from the last post all the way back to the top
  1. 14-07-2020 11:22
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When you click on a new thread for the first time, it takes you to the last post, not the starting point!
  1. 11-07-2020 06:45
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The BOD will be all for this change to dampen down the dissenters. The conspiracy theorists could say it's been planned all along since they attended the supporters group meeting and Clibbens having a word in their ear. ;-)
  1. 08-07-2020 14:55
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It's really important that we have a user friendly site in place before the new season starts, whenever that may be.

Without a viable site the voice of the fans, (often the most committed), won't be heard, the BOD will be even less aware of fans' views and their tendency toward mediocrity will go unchecked.

It needs sorted.
  1. 07-07-2020 23:17
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It is improving but it couldn't have got any worse. I'd still like the feature when you open a previously read thread to start at the place you left like it did on the old board.
  1. 06-07-2020 17:38
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Let's just say it's not very good Mods, is it.
  1. 03-07-2020 21:54
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There’s a few people not posting anymore since it’s moved, maybe as there’s nothing to talk about. Has anyone heard from Munchy?

Also NS is quiet.


Aye, I though Munchy would be on here lauding over his Bum Chum :p old Curly Chops getting promotion, come on Munchy don't let us down? he,he ;)
  1. 03-07-2020 16:35
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NS is busy on the Barrow website, keeping them Lancastrians up to date with professional football info.


Crikey! That forum is busy! Easy to navigate too. A bit like the Burnley forum, which is even more busy.
  1. 03-07-2020 16:00
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Some items to look at, thanks for those who passed ideas.

Sometimes we can enable/disable an option, other times it might simply not be a feature we have any control of, however that doesn't mean it can't be done.
  1. 03-07-2020 14:01
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NS is busy on the Barrow website, keeping them Lancastrians up to date with professional football info.
  1. 03-07-2020 13:25
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Did you mention Discourse?

I really hadn't noticed.
  1. 03-07-2020 08:19
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support from Kunena was very difficult to get as it was self-serve


It's a bit inaccurate to suggest that free solutions are always bad for support. It generally comes down to what kind of community there is with that software. Sometimes the paid solutions with paid support are actually worse than the free options with free community support. This is why I thought I'd mention Discourse but appreciate you taking the time to explain why you couldn't migrate.
  1. 02-07-2020 20:56
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There’s a few people not posting anymore since it’s moved, maybe as there’s nothing to talk about. Has anyone heard from Munchy?

Also NS is quiet.
  1. 02-07-2020 20:04
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I'm sure it is far from easy to create a new forum, but here are a couple of suggestions from me.

Could we maybe have the number of pages for each topic on the forum index index page, like at the bottom of the topic page itself? (There seems to be plenty of room)
Also the name and date/time of the topic originator underneath the topic title on the forum index page, with the last poster name and date/time on the right (similar to how it is now)
I think these couple of things would make it easier to navigate.

I do like the clarity and unclutteredness of the new site, but that is maybe because it is lacking a few things.
  1. 02-07-2020 16:15
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Still need the topics to be in date descending order, i.e. latest at top. On main forum page can we have users names under posted by and last reply instead of the stupid icons
  1. 02-07-2020 13:53
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Chris - genuine question. What was the criteria you were trying to meet when you carried out the change? There must have been an essentials and wish list for the new layout. If there was not, why is the site so different to before?
To me, the good things (layout, ease of access, opening at last read posts, etc) have all gone, and the missing bits (edit facility, loading photos, spell checker) are not addressed at all.
It is a disaster, and so far away from being what it should be that it is difficult to see how it can be brought to an easy to use site. It is painful to try and use, and this is with very low useage.


Criteria were polls did not work and the post editor has issues - support from Kunena was very difficult to get as it was self-serve - EasyDiscuss is a paid solution and hence support is baked in. Polls now work and the editor to my knowledge has no issues.

Post editing is still here - we missed a setting early on which we enabled very quickly.

You can upload photos still, so unless I'm missing something that standard users cannot see? I have this when I create a post or reply (though it's the Attachments tab at the bottom now).

Spell Checker - this is a browser thing you can add easily, I use Microsoft Editor which can be added to Chrome or Edge Chromium easily.
  1. 02-07-2020 10:44
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For me, the layout is similar (In fact I may be biased but posts have more clarity for me) and ease of access no different (I click my bookmark and it takes me straight to the Main Forum!). The opening a Thread at the last read has been enquired about though.

Edit facility (Little button that says ‘Edit’ on your Post after you’ve posted it?) and photo uploading are simple, although a spellchecker has never been part of it.
  1. 02-07-2020 10:20
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Chris - genuine question. What was the criteria you were trying to meet when you carried out the change? There must have been an essentials and wish list for the new layout. If there was not, why is the site so different to before?
To me, the good things (layout, ease of access, opening at last read posts, etc) have all gone, and the missing bits (edit facility, loading photos, spell checker) are not addressed at all.
It is a disaster, and so far away from being what it should be that it is difficult to see how it can be brought to an easy to use site. It is painful to try and use, and this is with very low useage.
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Luckily there aren’t that many of them then :p :p
  1. 01-07-2020 20:29
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I got a free upgrade to Sky Q - terrible and going back to Sky HD Plus which was fine.

The same can be said for this site - its terrible - go back to the last format or it will die.


Got any constructive feedback? If you can point out what you want to see, we can look into whether that can be done.

I cannot make a decision to revert back to what was here before - only the website owner can. Kunena is still there, however there is no reverse migration option - any posts made on this new setup cannot be migrated onto the old setup.
  1. 01-07-2020 20:07
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I'm happy with my Sky Q but not this board. Seems to have put a lot of folk off
  1. 01-07-2020 19:53
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I got a free upgrade to Sky Q - terrible and going back to Sky HD Plus which was fine.

The same can be said for this site - its terrible - go back to the last format or it will die.
  1. 01-07-2020 19:46
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Seems we have discovered and hopefully fixed a bug related to the permissions error message - the post ordering has been reverted and test fix applied - I'm more than sure people will be vocal enough and say if it keeps happening!


Most of the fans at this club will just find it a novelty that someone actually listened to their criticism and took it on board. Should've just ignored it and told us to get behind the forum you [censored]


Now, I'm going back into exile again.


Not my style ;)
  1. 01-07-2020 16:10
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Seems we have discovered and hopefully fixed a bug related to the permissions error message - the post ordering has been reverted and test fix applied - I'm more than sure people will be vocal enough and say if it keeps happening!


Most of the fans at this club will just find it a novelty that someone actually listened to their criticism and took it on board. Should've just ignored it and told us to get behind the forum you [censored]


Now, I'm going back into exile again.
  1. 30-06-2020 13:38
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Seems we have discovered and hopefully fixed a bug related to the permissions error message - the post ordering has been reverted and test fix applied - I'm more than sure people will be vocal enough and say if it keeps happening!
  1. 30-06-2020 10:57
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I've just tried the Covid thread and 24th Jan is the latest post I can view now.


That’s the initial post, it gets pinned to the top of Thread’s now.

Guessing you got the ‘you can’t view’ bit when scrolled down?


It's a post by cocaineblues that crops up.
I think it may be a problem with threads pre changeover as recent ones are fine.

You can read latest replies on the thread when you first log in but can't return to last page unless you log out and back in again.

It's an issue when thread title isn't in Bold type and you return to it.

I think :)
  1. 28-06-2020 17:11
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I've just tried the Covid thread and 24th Jan is the latest post I can view now.


That’s the initial post, it gets pinned to the top of Thread’s now.

Guessing you got the ‘you can’t view’ bit when scrolled down?
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