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22 Feb 2020 22:38 #6001 by ExiledJock
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Barrow's McBride chemical factory to close with over 100 redundancies. Work moving to Luxembourg and France.

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22 Feb 2020 22:44 #6002 by Chilledsilly
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23 Feb 2020 00:29 #6003 by High Street
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They’ve said themselves that its closing due to falling demand in washing powder.
But don’t let things like facts get in the way of a late night posting.
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23 Feb 2020 03:19 #6004 by Markovitch
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Brexiteers don't wash?
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23 Feb 2020 10:02 #6005 by Yorkie Blue
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Closure plan announced 3 months ago, there you go, remainers living in the past as usual.

Stay safe, stay healthy all.

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23 Feb 2020 10:27 #6006 by topstepwhinger
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Yorkie Blue wrote: Closure plan announced 3 months ago, there you go, remainers living in the past as usual.

And how long has Brexit been dragging on for - lets see, oh coming up for 4 years.......

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23 Feb 2020 13:19 #6007 by Dentonholmersimpson
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topstepwhinger wrote:

Yorkie Blue wrote: Closure plan announced 3 months ago, there you go, remainers living in the past as usual.

And how long has Brexit been dragging on for - lets see, oh coming up for 4 years.......


Just shows, if you had voted for the winning side it could have been over ages ago.
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23 Feb 2020 13:38 #6008 by topstepwhinger
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Dentonholmersimpson wrote:

topstepwhinger wrote:

Yorkie Blue wrote: Closure plan announced 3 months ago, there you go, remainers living in the past as usual.

And how long has Brexit been dragging on for - lets see, oh coming up for 4 years.......


Just shows, if you had voted for the winning side it could have been over ages ago.


You mean my vote would have meant we would have had all the free trade deals done, no problems with the Irish border, the UK all pulling together, businesses booming and the NHS awash with money.
That's fine, I'm happy to wait.

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23 Feb 2020 15:55 #6009 by munchymagic
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topstepwhinger wrote:

Dentonholmersimpson wrote:

topstepwhinger wrote:

Yorkie Blue wrote: Closure plan announced 3 months ago, there you go, remainers living in the past as usual.

And how long has Brexit been dragging on for - lets see, oh coming up for 4 years.......


Just shows, if you had voted for the winning side it could have been over ages ago.


You mean my vote would have meant we would have had all the free trade deals done, no problems with the Irish border, the UK all pulling together, businesses booming and the NHS awash with money.
That's fine, I'm happy to wait.


Well the sarcastic bit about business booming will be interesting in a years time as we will be able to get some insight into this from Laffy.

And isn't it funny that that the person with the business is saying 'bring it on' and embracing Brexit whereas people like yourself with no multi national company is shitting himself about the future for business in Britain - you couldn't make it up really.

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23 Feb 2020 16:01 #6010 by CCU
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The true effect of leaving the EU can only be measured in 5/10/20 years and longer.

There’ll be initial peaks and troughs but a true, and fair, picture will be seen in the years to come.

Too many folk forget we’re the sixth biggest economy in the World! This isn’t Hungary or Estonia (With no disrespect intended) leaving, it’s the UK!

Onwards...

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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23 Feb 2020 16:17 #6011 by Chilledsilly
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If only youd voted for the winners ??

Hahaha
Bit of a silly attitude ?
winner or a loser ?
Think it goes a bit deeper than that...hahaha

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23 Feb 2020 16:25 #6012 by orfc
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munchymagic wrote:

topstepwhinger wrote:

Dentonholmersimpson wrote:

topstepwhinger wrote:

Yorkie Blue wrote: Closure plan announced 3 months ago, there you go, remainers living in the past as usual.

And how long has Brexit been dragging on for - lets see, oh coming up for 4 years.......


Just shows, if you had voted for the winning side it could have been over ages ago.


You mean my vote would have meant we would have had all the free trade deals done, no problems with the Irish border, the UK all pulling together, businesses booming and the NHS awash with money.
That's fine, I'm happy to wait.


Well the sarcastic bit about business booming will be interesting in a years time as we will be able to get some insight into this from Laffy.

And isn't it funny that that the person with the business is saying 'bring it on' and embracing Brexit whereas people like yourself with no multi national company is shitting himself about the future for business in Britain - you couldn't make it up really.


The guy who makes a living turning around firms in difficulties welcomes situation that puts firms in difficulties non-shock

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23 Feb 2020 16:37 #6013 by Bruntonpasty
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Would some counselling help orfc? Perhaps you and a few others on here, who are clearly struggling to come to terms with our leaving the EU, perhaps you could get some sort of group discount? Is there not any sort of helpline you could call?
Yours, etc, concerned of Cumbria.

They don't like it up 'em!
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23 Feb 2020 16:46 #6014 by Laffy
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The reason the factory is closing is because of lower demand for their core product-it’s got [censored] all to do with Brexit.Lower demand usually means consolidation of manufacturing capability or closure.

The biggest challenge to all manufacturing is this corona virus-and I think you will see a lot of offshore supply chains being onshored going forward.Probably good news for the UK.

Brexit has so far been good for UK manufacturing by weakening the pound.Contrast this with most of the rest of the EU who are unable to use currency valuation to protect margin eg Greece.

We had a Greek travel business that I bought in 2004 for a song simply because the previous owners got fat on making currency gains by booking beds early in the season and paying for them in October.The Greeks would invariably devalue every summer by 25pc to stay competitive.Joining the EU destroyed the Greek economy and the Greek company I bought as it forgot about making margin

Blaming Brexit is lazy and frankly wrong-but no doubt it will be trotted out every time a weak company needs to make difficult decisions.
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23 Feb 2020 17:09 #6015 by Piglet_Phoenix
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So "lower demand" can never be caused by a "weakening of the pound", according to Lapping.

And according to Lapping any companies experiencing difficulties in the next few years will be down to "laziness" not due to the economic impact of Brexit.

Seems like those with vested interests already have their doctrine prepared come what may. I wonder what Lapping's motivation is here? Offshore accounts and overseas investments perhaps?
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23 Feb 2020 17:32 #6016 by Laffy
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Once again you show yourself up to be a total buffoon Piglet.I think you will find that offshore accounts and overseas investments are taxed on UK residents like me whether I like it or not.

I also noted that a weak currency is good for UK manufacturing as it encourages a uk supply chain and also makes it easier to export.

A strong pound encourages offshoring supply chains and hurts exporting.

Still with me Pig?

We owned a stake in Endura, the Uk cycling brand which manufactures in Scotland .It struggled pre Brexit vote because a strong pound inhibited exporting goods to the EU.Post the vote, the pound weakened and our revenue and profit went up due to an upswing in EU sales.

I also noted that companies do get lazy-that’s a fact and just like Carlisle United, unless you regularly refresh business plans, directors and product, you are destined to fail.Why?Because there is always someone out there trying to beat you.

That’s your lessons finished for the day Pig
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23 Feb 2020 23:52 #6017 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: The reason the factory is closing is because of lower demand for their core product-it’s got [censored] all to do with Brexit.Lower demand usually means consolidation of manufacturing capability or closure.

The biggest challenge to all manufacturing is this corona virus-and I think you will see a lot of offshore supply chains being onshored going forward.Probably good news for the UK.

Brexit has so far been good for UK manufacturing by weakening the pound.Contrast this with most of the rest of the EU who are unable to use currency valuation to protect margin eg Greece.

We had a Greek travel business that I bought in 2004 for a song simply because the previous owners got fat on making currency gains by booking beds early in the season and paying for them in October.The Greeks would invariably devalue every summer by 25pc to stay competitive.Joining the EU destroyed the Greek economy and the Greek company I bought as it forgot about making margin

Blaming Brexit is lazy and frankly wrong-but no doubt it will be trotted out every time a weak company needs to make difficult decisions.



And once we.ve left and [censored] them off we.ll be free to bung directors a couple of hundred grand to ensure the right plants stay open while Macron and Merkel stand there with their mouths open unable to understand why all their plants are closing and ours are thriving and that will be the start of the end for the EU and its economy.

I believe its called free market forces.

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24 Feb 2020 01:10 #6018 by Piglet_Phoenix
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I note the assertion a weak pound assists exports into the EU.

Can anyone spot the mistake here (for long term prosperity anyway)?

What happens if Boris and co don't strike a trade deal for you by the end of whenever it's supposed to be?

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24 Feb 2020 01:40 #6019 by munchymagic
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Any decent company will have contingency plans for all scenarios, some options will obviously suit themselves more than others but regardless they are going to have to run with it.

With living in Canada Piglet did you vote to leave or remain - I only ask because just about all ex-pats I know who voted to stay come across that just because they live in a different country then anyone who voted to leave is obviously not of their persuasion and is just a narrow minded idiot as they themselves are now so well-travelled.

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24 Feb 2020 06:31 #6020 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Piglet_Phoenix wrote: I note the assertion a weak pound assists exports into the EU.

Can anyone spot the mistake here (for long term prosperity anyway)?

What happens if Boris and co don't strike a trade deal for you by the end of whenever it's supposed to be?


Let's hope he doesn't. then we can spend the next 50 years pissing on the frogs and the krauts while we watch them spunk their cash away on propping up the East Europeans and providing a home for any old Muslim who fancies it.
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24 Feb 2020 07:20 #6021 by Laffy
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Oh dear-the squabbling over lack of cash because we have left has begun already.

www.ft.com/content/5be6faf2-54e4-11ea-8841-482eed0038b1
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24 Feb 2020 08:37 #6022 by orfc
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Bruntonpasty wrote: Would some counselling help orfc? Perhaps you and a few others on here, who are clearly struggling to come to terms with our leaving the EU, perhaps you could get some sort of group discount? Is there not any sort of helpline you could call?
Yours, etc, concerned of Cumbria.


I'm super, thanks for asking ;-)

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24 Feb 2020 09:29 #6023 by sirjimmyglass
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Laffy wrote: I also noted that a weak currency is good for UK manufacturing as it encourages a uk supply chain and also makes it easier to export.

Problem here is that we're going to send all the buggers back to the hell holes they've come from, leaving a shortfall in the manufacturing workforce. We can't invite any of them back though, because it isn't "skilled labour".

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24 Feb 2020 10:34 #6024 by ExiledJock
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Most of us aren't manufacturers. Ordinary people are importers - food, fuel, clothes, the basics. A weaker pound = rising bills.

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24 Feb 2020 11:47 #6025 by Laffy
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I agree-which is why a cheap pound should encourage more UK manufacturing and lessen our reliance on imports.It will be a long process however.Meantime, the government should cut taxes and borrow to restore our infrastructure.

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24 Feb 2020 12:26 #6026 by NORTHERNSOUL
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sirjimmyglass wrote:

Laffy wrote: I also noted that a weak currency is good for UK manufacturing as it encourages a uk supply chain and also makes it easier to export.

Problem here is that we're going to send all the buggers back to the hell holes they've come from, leaving a shortfall in the manufacturing workforce. We can't invite any of them back though, because it isn't "skilled labour".


There's a massive pool of work-ready British workers who are just getting by on Temporary and no hours contracts just waiting to be snapped up if employers get realistic and offer decent wages and 40-hour contracts the only losers will be the likes of Amazon who.ll no longer have their supply of desparados to exploit
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24 Feb 2020 12:53 #6027 by High Street
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Does sharing a house with 5 others, come naturally to Eastern Europeans? It seem thats how they manage to live on Minimum wage.

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24 Feb 2020 13:55 #6028 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Munchy, since leaving I haven't voted.

Politically speaking, I don't think it's fair for me to bugger off and then influence the democratic process for everyone who has to deal with things day to day who has remained resident in the UK.

Would be cheeky as fk for me to sit comfortably over here dictating whether the country should leave or remain, despite my UK pension and investments.

There are a few ethical questions I wouldn't be able to reconcile. Truly, deep down, if you no longer live in the UK what's really motivating your vote?

In fact, I'd remove the right to vote for anyone who no longer lives in the UK.
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24 Feb 2020 16:51 #6029 by Laffy
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Why Pig-we actually agree on this!

See below-the virus is much bigger for the world economy

One trillion dollars wiped off global stock markets amid coronavirus panic – live updates

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24 Feb 2020 17:44 #6030 by munchymagic
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Piglet_Phoenix wrote: Munchy, since leaving I haven't voted.

Politically speaking, I don't think it's fair for me to bugger off and then influence the democratic process for everyone who has to deal with things day to day who has remained resident in the UK.

Would be cheeky as fk for me to sit comfortably over here dictating whether the country should leave or remain, despite my UK pension and investments.

There are a few ethical questions I wouldn't be able to reconcile. Truly, deep down, if you no longer live in the UK what's really motivating your vote?

In fact, I'd remove the right to vote for anyone who no longer lives in the UK.


I agree with you but there are many who don't.

I think it is up to fifteen years or something abroad and you are still eligible but like you say what would be motivating your vote.

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24 Feb 2020 17:57 #6031 by Markovitch
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The weak pound will help cycle manufacturers when we are in the EU but as soon as we leave tariffs of 20-40% will wipe out any gains. It must also be a seasonal business?
Once Boris removes all the safety requirements they'll be wiped out by cheap foreign imports anyway

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24 Feb 2020 18:08 #6032 by howoldboy
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Markovitch wrote: The weak pound will help cycle manufacturers when we are in the EU but as soon as we leave tariffs of 20-40% will wipe out any gains. It must also be a seasonal business?
Once Boris removes all the safety requirements they'll be wiped out by cheap foreign imports anyway


Surely it is a cyclical business?
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24 Feb 2020 19:18 #6033 by munchymagic
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Markovitch wrote: The weak pound will help cycle manufacturers when we are in the EU but as soon as we leave tariffs of 20-40% will wipe out any gains. It must also be a seasonal business?
Once Boris removes all the safety requirements they'll be wiped out by cheap foreign imports anyway


Once Boris removes all the safety requirements it will be back to how it used to be in kids parks with the witches hat and all those other great things that we all enjoyed in our youth, scuffed knees and all from slipping over whilst pushing the roundabout.

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24 Feb 2020 20:18 #6034 by Arragorn
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In your dreams Munchy. The nanny state we now live it won't allow it.
Things will get worse when the evil Cummings fully takes over.
We are heading for a dictatorship with Boris the buffoon as a figurehead with no say in what happens. Cummings already has a yes man in No.11.

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24 Feb 2020 20:22 #6035 by Laffy
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I can’t wait-fed up with all the snowflake rubbish.Even Dianne Abbott has decided to call it a day.Just that mad cow Chacrobhati to admit she secretly fancies Boris and we are off to the races.

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24 Feb 2020 20:30 #6036 by orfc
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Bring back lead paint in toys and smoking near gas leaks!

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24 Feb 2020 21:24 #6037 by Markovitch
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I actually can't wait. We have 4 chimneys. It cost thousands just to get 1 rebuilt. Over 2m of birds nest. Send a 7 year old up there done in no time. Pay the little [censored] in Marko truck tickets, just what these idle kids need. For lunch, chlorinated corn flake. Bring it on Boris. Look at the empire when we had these laws. And no floods

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24 Feb 2020 21:41 #6038 by Laffy
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You sound like the boy from Hovis

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24 Feb 2020 22:45 #6039 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: Why Pig-we actually agree on this!

See below-the virus is much bigger for the world economy

One trillion dollars wiped off global stock markets amid coronavirus panic – live updates


Exactly why we should be doing everything we can to spread this to the rest of China if this hangs around for 5 years it could set their economy back 3 decades.

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24 Feb 2020 22:55 #6040 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Arragorn wrote: In your dreams Munchy. The nanny state we now live it won't allow it.
Things will get worse when the evil Cummings fully takes over.
We are heading for a dictatorship with Boris the buffoon as a figurehead with no say in what happens. Cummings already has a yes man in No.11.


Not dreams at all if everybody who objects to pc crap just ignores it and does what they want it will gone in 5 years with Boris.s help. Simple way to do it is to legalise warning notices again.

I, ve got a 100 quid bet on thatCummings is gone in a year Even more likely now that his home address and family details appear to be common knowledge on the dark web.

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24 Feb 2020 22:57 #6041 by munchymagic
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In this world of global warming it is a shame that we cannot 'tap' into making profit from what the country naturally produces - water.

A pipeline leading into Europe filled with water and one coming back the other way with the oil in which they are swapping it for.

Obviously we can only give them what we don't need and it would be sourced at the point that it goes into the sea and fills the pipeline from multiple outlets.

Before anyone hammers me for the stupidity of this idea it was just a thought :)
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25 Feb 2020 01:14 #6042 by seesaw50
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Laffy wrote: I agree-which is why a cheap pound should encourage more UK manufacturing and lessen our reliance on imports.It will be a long process however.Meantime, the government should cut taxes and borrow to restore our infrastructure.


I'm thinking that's exactly what will happen, borrowing will rise dramatically....await the budget , boris has more up his sleeve than his arm

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25 Feb 2020 01:23 #6043 by seesaw50
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In the meantime, all gone wrong in Ireland..Varadka resigns after his election disaster, but stays on temp to oversee the EU budget shenanigans and RoI's contribution just went up, thanks to their near neighbour's exit.... So much for his EU pals, and not liked at home it would appear. Hope the Republic doesn't need any financial help anytime soon, cant see the UK helping out again.

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25 Feb 2020 03:46 #6044 by Markovitch
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munchymagic wrote: In this world of global warming it is a shame that we cannot 'tap' into making profit from what the country naturally produces - water.

A pipeline leading into Europe filled with water and one coming back the other way with the oil in which they are swapping it for.

Obviously we can only give them what we don't need and it would be sourced at the point that it goes into the sea and fills the pipeline from multiple outlets.

Before anyone hammers me for the stupidity of this idea it was just a thought :)


England is predicted to run out of water in 25 years.

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25 Feb 2020 08:00 #6045 by Bruntonpasty
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Who by? A link perhaps? And there's me thinking climate change was making things warmer and wetter...... Oo er missus!

They don't like it up 'em!

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25 Feb 2020 09:50 #6046 by carwash
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Markovitch wrote:

munchymagic wrote: In this world of global warming it is a shame that we cannot 'tap' into making profit from what the country naturally produces - water.

A pipeline leading into Europe filled with water and one coming back the other way with the oil in which they are swapping it for.

Obviously we can only give them what we don't need and it would be sourced at the point that it goes into the sea and fills the pipeline from multiple outlets.

Before anyone hammers me for the stupidity of this idea it was just a thought :)


England is predicted to run out of water in 25 years.


The predictions said that the South East of England will suffer regular water shortages based on current population growth. That was looking true until August last year when the aquifers were running at the lowest levels in over 25 years. Since then there has been 3 times the normal amount of rainfall. There is always talk about using the river and canal system to bring water down to London from the north.

As for munchy's pipelines, we are now very dependent on interconnectors to bring in electricity from Ireland and the continent.

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25 Feb 2020 14:12 #6047 by Flatcap
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At the moment I think the Coronavirus is doing more to curb immigration, rather than Brexit.

Trouble with the virus is that those visitors in the viral hot spots are desperate to leave, which could result in them importing it into their own back yard.

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25 Feb 2020 14:45 #6048 by Markovitch
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www.businessinsider.com/england-is-set-t...ars-2019-3?r=US&IR=T

That virus thing has cut CO2 outputs in China by 25%
www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-coronavirus...issions-by-a-quarter

6 Americans have it. Killing more slowly than sofas

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