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13 Mar 2020 20:21 #1 by Demonseye48
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Would be great if BBC Radio Cumbria could somehow run some repeat commentaries of some memorable games during the Corona virus break i.e. Sunderland Away in the FA Cup, The play off final at Stoke, Leeds Away in the playoffs to name a couple....would give people something to occupy themselves while they are in isolation.....
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13 Mar 2020 20:43 #2 by CCU
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Workington game is on...

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13 Mar 2020 23:48 #3 by Bluedazblue
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CCU wrote: Workington game is on...


If non-league football continues to be played I might attend a Workington game.

It would be interesting to watch a team managed by Danny Grainger.

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14 Mar 2020 02:41 #4 by West Cumbria United fan
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Ay I'm gonna definitely pop along to as many as I can

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14 Mar 2020 06:51 #5 by nobbyblue
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I think Workingtons league will be knocking it on the head after this weekend as well.

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14 Mar 2020 07:49 - 25 Mar 2020 09:18 #6 by nobbyblue
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It’s going to be very hard to get this season finished even with Euros being cancelled creating a bit of space.

Assuming all is well you could finish it off at the start of next season and then play a shortened season but that would be difficult and unfair in its set up.

Scrapping the whole season seems the only way to do it which isn’t ideal.
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14 Mar 2020 07:56 #7 by nobbyblue
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It’s harsh on some clubs. I would feel for the fans of Liverpool and Leeds in particular.
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14 Mar 2020 08:02 #8 by heilkmoon
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Every option is unsatisfactory but I think it’s more likely they’d let the season stand as it is than scrap it.

Enough games have been played for it to be a fair reflection.

Promotion and relegation places as they are, top team in the play off places goes up.

Anyone relegated or missing out should have done better in the games that were played.

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14 Mar 2020 08:04 #9 by nobbyblue
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That’s not going to happen for legal reasons.

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14 Mar 2020 08:07 #10 by nobbyblue
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Villa for example have a game in hand. They’re not going to be too chuffed!

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14 Mar 2020 08:23 #11 by ParcelPete
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Delare the season null and void with no promotion or relegation.
No titles for Liverpool and Celtic and no promotion for Leeds and Barrow,whats not to like.
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14 Mar 2020 08:35 #12 by ParcelPete
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Never mind the football they are talking about cancelling the boat race.

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14 Mar 2020 08:35 #13 by Champions95
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Immediately postpone the euros for a year. That allows for the season to be extended. Scrap the two main European competitions and every domestic cup competition. Then set a final possible restart date now. I would say they have until the last weekend of May to get started again. If they can't then the season is null and void.
Incredibly harsh on liverpol and leeds, incredibly jammy for Norwich, Bolton and stevenage but I don't see an alternative.

European places are trickier. Personally I would start the season in August with a little mini tournament to sort out european qualifications. Liverpool had already mathematically qualified so they get that place automatically.

I also think the fa and the football league need a plan for supporting their clubs financially or the majority of lower league teams won't be getting back up anyway. Pay clubs 75% of potential lost gate receipts. That last bit is clearly not going to happen.

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14 Mar 2020 08:41 #14 by nobbyblue
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I think you could see quite a few clubs go into administration quite quickly.

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14 Mar 2020 08:46 #15 by nobbyblue
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A lady said to me yesterday a few months without football is neither here nor there.

I don’t think she grasped the seriousness of the situation!
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14 Mar 2020 08:57 #16 by carlisleunited
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A lot of players will be contracted until end of June, so it could get very interesting if the season was extended beyond then.

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14 Mar 2020 09:00 #17 by nobbyblue
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Absolute sickener for the likes of Crewe who are top of the league if it’s all null and void. I’d be gutted.
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14 Mar 2020 09:39 #18 by pacirv
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I suppose one thing to do is declare a shortened season, championships and relegation’s would then stand as they are, or go back over clubs last 9 or 10 games and award points on the supposed gain if points from those games, unfair in some clubs as their firm could suddenly improve eg Stevenage but in Liverpool’s case they have already won the title. It’s far from right of course but may be the only half fair way as it may be impossible to finish this seasons matches given the outlook for and timescale of the pandemic.

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14 Mar 2020 09:55 #19 by Champions95
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Crucially though Liverpool haven't already won the title, not technically. I don't think you can just give it to them. Might be different if they can get man city to officially concede but it would still be a hollow victory.

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14 Mar 2020 10:03 #20 by topstepwhinger
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Whilst I think it would be hilarious if this season was declared null and void (striking it from the records as if it had never happened thus depriving Liverpool of their title) I feel in reality the season should just be declared as it now stands. If teams have games in hand their average points per matches played to date could be calculated and added to their present total.
The Euros could be put back a year and next years European club competitions could be started later by missing out the initial pre-qualifying games - basically reverting back to straight knockout competitions as it was before big money took over.

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14 Mar 2020 10:13 #21 by nobbyblue
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You canna just make it up as you go along!

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14 Mar 2020 10:15 #22 by aberdeenblue28
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Financially this is a disaster because teams are paying players with no money coming in. It could really push teams over the edge financially even us. Can the board afford to keep paying without any money going back in.

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14 Mar 2020 10:42 #23 by crunchblue
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They have to finish the season in my opinion, even if it means playing over the summer, not just to sort out relegations/promotions but for lower clubs to claw back some income.

So one idea would be for clubs to treat now like a pre season break, then finish this season whenever it’s suitable to do so, even if that runs into what should be next season. I know there’s the issue of player contracts expiring end of June but that’s a bridge that would have to be crossed at the time.

Then for next season, based on how late it starts, cancel the EFL Cup and EFL Trophy for that season and use the freed up match days to play catch up on fixtures.

Not ideal but it’s the only way I can see it working.
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14 Mar 2020 10:48 #24 by seesaw50
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ParcelPete wrote: Delare the season null and void with no promotion or relegation.
No titles for Liverpool and Celtic and no promotion for Leeds and Barrow,whats not to like.


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14 Mar 2020 10:50 #25 by crunchblue
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One more thing to add, teams in Leagues 1 and 2 are likely to lose money so could try and subsidise that by running with smaller squads next season, so the emergency 28 day loan system should be brought back for 1 season, so if an injury crisis occurs they can get help from higher league clubs with players.

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14 Mar 2020 10:52 #26 by seesaw50
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carlisleunited wrote: A lot of players will be contracted until end of June, so it could get very interesting if the season was extended beyond then.


Extend contracts to say August 31st....if no more footy takes place they've had the close season now in effect ....however paying wages is still a problem and the FA will have to stump up.

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14 Mar 2020 10:58 #27 by topstepwhinger
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nobbyblue wrote: You canna just make it up as you go along!


Why not?
This is an unprecedented situation which no-one could have foreseen and requires decisions to be made which will probably not be covered in any rule book. NB If they are, all well and good.
I am sure there will be legal challenges whatever is decided - however most legal challenges anywhere shouldn't get any further than 'go forth and multiply' and are usually mounted by rich people (or people with rich backers) who can afford to lose. The only certain outcome being rich lawyers getting even richer.

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14 Mar 2020 11:01 #28 by seesaw50
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Send the bill for the whole sorry affair to President Zhi Jinping and his boys.

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14 Mar 2020 11:04 #29 by seesaw50
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CCU wrote: Workington game is on...


Radio Cumbria are covering it live today.

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14 Mar 2020 11:05 #30 by CarlisleWhite
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Forgetting the top two leagues, half the teams in leagues 1 and 2 will go bust. Nearly six months with no income would not be managable for them. I saw somewhere that a third of a clubs income is still gate receipts in these leagues. The Peterborough owner said £500M for league 1 and £2-3ooK for league 2.
We should be okay with the recent money in and the EWM loan facility, but not sure many will be as lucky. Good some might say, but who would be left to compete in the leagues.
On the other hand, maybe it is the financial correction that has been needed in the lower leagues.
Second thing is there will be multiple legal challenges if the leagues are cancelled. There are so many still in with a chance of promotion and European positions (say 10 per division?, that's 40 pissed off club owners).
It has been funny seeing how parochial football supporters are - if it is positive for your team cancel the league and vice versa (and see below).
Think for both reasons (but mainly for the first reason) the leagues have to be finished.
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14 Mar 2020 11:05 #31 by seabird
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Agree with Crunchblue. Play the remainder of this season out hovever long it takes
Delay the Euros until next year.
Scrap all domestic cup competitions next year if necessary.
Consider reformatting or scraping all Europen competitions for next season,countries. need to get their own leagues operating fully first.
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14 Mar 2020 11:06 #32 by seesaw50
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nobbyblue wrote: I think Workingtons league will be knocking it on the head after this weekend as well.


Gad planned to go to Easter Saturdays game as well v City of Liverpool......probably 50 odd years since I've been to Borough Park

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14 Mar 2020 11:07 #33 by seesaw50
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14 Mar 2020 11:08 #34 by ParcelPete
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seesaw50 wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: I think Workingtons league will be knocking it on the head after this weekend as well.


Gad planned to go to Easter Saturdays game as well v City of Liverpool......probably 50 odd years since I've been to Borough Park


You won't notice any change.
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14 Mar 2020 11:10 #35 by topstepwhinger
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The problem is no-one knows who long things are going to take to get back to 'normal', weeks, months, a year?
With regards to the survival of lower league clubs, there is enough money sloshing about at the top end. Who knows, if a gesture was made to help it may just help to bring the 'football family' together!

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14 Mar 2020 11:17 #36 by seabird
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If the first team squad of all premier league clubs gave a weeks wages towards Legue 1 and 2 there should be enough to pay all the Clubs wages for a year including non playing staff.
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14 Mar 2020 11:30 #37 by markredfox73
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Just a thought cancellling all this sport yet folk be out in their hundreds and thousands all over the country in supermarkets, big shopping centres, and on the lash every weekend....

Its already too late..if you get it you get it...


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14 Mar 2020 11:34 #38 by nobbyblue
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topstepwhinger wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: You canna just make it up as you go along!


Why not?
This is an unprecedented situation which no-one could have foreseen and requires decisions to be made which will probably not be covered in any rule book. NB If they are, all well and good.
I am sure there will be legal challenges whatever is decided - however most legal challenges anywhere shouldn't get any further than 'go forth and multiply' and are usually mounted by rich people (or people with rich backers) who can afford to lose. The only certain outcome being rich lawyers getting even richer.


I’m sure there could be some small print somewhere that might cover this problem.

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14 Mar 2020 11:38 #39 by thesilentone
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I think decisions will be made on a day to day basis, a bit like they are on the virus.

The implications are far reaching, the supply chain to the Football League must be huge, some will go to the wall (unless extremely well insured).

It's a bag of shi.....

But, nowt compared to the poor devils that are going to loose there lives.

Italy's economy is already a basket case, this will lead to them being owned by the Germans, and a long period of austerity post the virus, this is going to test everybody.

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14 Mar 2020 12:18 #40 by baggieblue
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If the season was declared null and void would next season start with only 23 teams in division 1? Would the points deduction for Bolton and Macclesfield be carried over?
Although we cannot predict how long this enforced break will be I do feel that the season has to be finished one way or another. This may require postponing the Euros for a year, shortening next season by cancelling all domestic cups and hopefully the European club competitions too. What would thoses red shirted plastic fans watch on T.V. then?

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14 Mar 2020 12:32 #41 by heilkmoon
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Legal challenges would be on a hiding to nothing with very little chance of sympathy or success in the circumstances.

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14 Mar 2020 12:46 #42 by seesaw50
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thesilentone wrote: I think decisions will be made on a day to day basis, a bit like they are on the virus.

The implications are far reaching, the supply chain to the Football League must be huge, some will go to the wall (unless extremely well insured).

It's a bag of shi.....

But, nowt compared to the poor devils that are going to loose there lives.

Italy's economy is already a basket case, this will lead to them being owned by the Germans, and a long period of austerity post the virus, this is going to test everybody.


Chinese doctors arrived in Italy yesterday to advise their doctors ....and are the advance party to offer better terms than the Germans

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14 Mar 2020 12:53 #43 by Dancingbear
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Needs to be a cut off and if the season doesn’t get finished then tough. Interesting that Klopp sees if that way but the Celtic managers first thought was that they should be awarded the title. As Klopp himself says if it saves one persons life then it’s worth it.

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14 Mar 2020 13:56 #44 by nobbyblue
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How do people survive without sport. I’m fed up already! :-D
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14 Mar 2020 14:24 #45 by Waltero
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I'm bored sh..less, I should have been at Grimsby match today but I'm being dragged round the shops,ten more minutes and I'm heading for a pub
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14 Mar 2020 14:34 #46 by NORTHERNSOUL
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aberdeenblue28 wrote: Financially this is a disaster because teams are paying players with no money coming in. It could really push teams over the edge financially even us. Can the board afford to keep paying without any money going back in.


And will the Bedwetters take responsibility for what they've done ? No will they hell as like just like they won't for trashing the country.s economy.

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14 Mar 2020 14:44 #47 by NORTHERNSOUL
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thesilentone wrote: I think decisions will be made on a day to day basis, a bit like they are on the virus.

The implications are far reaching, the supply chain to the Football League must be huge, some will go to the wall (unless extremely well insured).

It's a bag of shi.....

But, nowt compared to the poor devils that are going to loose there lives.

Italy's economy is already a basket case, this will lead to them being owned by the Germans, and a long period of austerity post the virus, this is going to test everybody.


All this shit just save a couple of thousand already sick and infirm people from dying a few months earlier than they might have done.

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14 Mar 2020 14:56 #48 by CarlisleWhite
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heilkmoon wrote: Legal challenges would be on a hiding to nothing with very little chance of sympathy or success in the circumstances.

Yeah, must have missed that legal defence, "it's not right!.
When we are talking 100s of millions of pounds, it is niave to think it won't happen.
And there is no need for it to. Delay the Euros, extend the seson by two months to end of June, couple of weeks delay to new season.

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14 Mar 2020 15:08 #49 by Markovitch
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Second largest group expected to die after pensioners is babies, Barry

Also spongers on tax payers though, so fairs fair

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14 Mar 2020 15:19 #50 by CCU

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carlisleunited wrote: A lot of players will be contracted until end of June, so it could get very interesting if the season was extended beyond then.


Extend contracts to say August 31st....if no more footy takes place they've had the close season now in effect ....however paying wages is still a problem and the FA will have to stump up.


Likely impossible to do, some Player’s will already have moves lined up for July 1st on better wages etc...

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