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17 Feb 2020 21:42 #51 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mouldy wrote: My thoughts on allowing anonymous questions are now somewhat based on previous experience at CUSG. I lost count of the number of times I said something like ‘Richard Mullen may well a chap who likes to criticise the club but surely we can learn from that and use it to our benefit?’ or similarly defend someone that I actually have no real affiliation to other than both supporting (in our own unique ways!) CUFC.

It was almost as if it wasn’t a worthy or relevant question because of who had asked it. It is simply not right to discriminate based on someone in attendances personal opinion of an individual - folk are entitled to their say (within reason and lawfulness obviously!). Sorry for using you as an example Mullen, just the most relevant I could think of - I know you’re thick skinned enough to handle it.

I would also add to this that I actually think (despite what some think themselves) some of the questions would disappear if they couldn’t have anonymity. Probing or potentially tricky questions, for example. I’m pretty certain if Kessler was made to write full name and DOB on the questions they’d probably stop asking 115 each meeting. I know some of them are answered in previous meetings or perhaps not going to be answered clearly due to confidentiality etc but I personally think having the platform to ask anonymously is important to get a broad spectrum of the fan base reached. With the outrage based on minutes being delayed I hate to imagine the fiasco if questions were ever not welcomed from a certain source; or unknown source in this instance.

I think it’s working fine as it is. If folk want to know who everyone is, try asking them. If they don’t want to disclose it, sorry.

Really sorry to hear someone has been sending you unwanted emails, Bumble. If you send us the email addresses we will cross check them with registered users and can send a note to them if needed. Not sure on this and can check but I don’t think you have to show your email on your log in profile - maybe try changing it to see if that helps?

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As I said above there's a pretty good chance the whole thing will be out of your hands anyway. And the sooner that's the case the better even tho it could have serious implications for my business I would still back it to the hilt.

If you arent willing to put your name to your question or statement there can only be one reason and that's that you have something to hide and I really don't understand why the moderator of a message board would support people hiding behind user names when clearly everyone identifying themselves would do away with all the shite we.ve had from the boards number one supporter of crap produced from behind the cloak of anonymity.
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17 Feb 2020 21:46 #52 by Kessler
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Mullen103 wrote: I think previously they(Cusg) thought all questions by me where all against them club and I had an agenda of somekind - the only agenda I had was to make the club better and to be fair when the club/clibbens have listened acted on something I’ve praised them and criticised where necessary


I think this is one area where I can sometimes fall short (my own fault). I do ask a lot of questions but that's because there's a lot of things about the way the club is being run that bothers me. The only way we're going to get change is if we ask the difficult questions and let the club know when we are unhappy about stuff, and refuse to be fobbed off. The problem is if you focus on that too much, you can sometimes overlook the good things they are doing and forget to give credit wheres its due. I know that's something I need to improve on as I can get a bit obsessed about stuff.

Yeah Barry I would stop using the forum if it required real names. That would probably would make some happy but I think it would also discourage people from coming forward to ask questions and the whole point of the Q&A is to encourage as much fan participation as possible about the questions that matter to them.

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17 Feb 2020 21:47 #53 by Kessler
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Mouldy wrote: My thoughts on allowing anonymous questions are now somewhat based on previous experience at CUSG. I lost count of the number of times I said something like ‘Richard Mullen may well a chap who likes to criticise the club but surely we can learn from that and use it to our benefit?’ or similarly defend someone that I actually have no real affiliation to other than both supporting (in our own unique ways!) CUFC.

It was almost as if it wasn’t a worthy or relevant question because of who had asked it. It is simply not right to discriminate based on someone in attendances personal opinion of an individual - folk are entitled to their say (within reason and lawfulness obviously!). Sorry for using you as an example Mullen, just the most relevant I could think of - I know you’re thick skinned enough to handle it.

I would also add to this that I actually think (despite what some think themselves) some of the questions would disappear if they couldn’t have anonymity. Probing or potentially tricky questions, for example. I’m pretty certain if Kessler was made to write full name and DOB on the questions they’d probably stop asking 115 each meeting. I know some of them are answered in previous meetings or perhaps not going to be answered clearly due to confidentiality etc but I personally think having the platform to ask anonymously is important to get a broad spectrum of the fan base reached. With the outrage based on minutes being delayed I hate to imagine the fiasco if questions were ever not welcomed from a certain source; or unknown source in this instance.

I think it’s working fine as it is. If folk want to know who everyone is, try asking them. If they don’t want to disclose it, sorry.

Really sorry to hear someone has been sending you unwanted emails, Bumble. If you send us the email addresses we will cross check them with registered users and can send a note to them if needed. Not sure on this and can check but I don’t think you have to show your email on your log in profile - maybe try changing it to see if that helps?

Anyway, next question...


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As I said above there's a pretty good chance the whole thing will be out of your hands anyway. And the sooner that's the case the better even tho it could have serious implications for my business I would still back it to the hilt.

If you arent willing to put your name to your question or statement there can only be one reason and that's that you have something to hide and I really don't understand why the moderator of a message board would support people hiding behind user names when clearly everyone identifying themselves would do away with all the shite we.ve had from the boards number one supporter of crap produced from behind the cloak of anonymity.


What about because I don't want you smashing in my door at 3am in the morning with a couple of thugs, like you have previously threatened? What about because I don't want to lose my extra income?

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17 Feb 2020 21:48 #54 by cousinscotty
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The first CUFC Messageboard that I joined, way back when, was done by email and the vast majority of members used their real names. This was back in the dark days of FGB (Knighton) and the march around the ground.

I would have no problem with ditching the usernames and going for honesty.
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17 Feb 2020 21:49 #55 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Kessler wrote:

Mouldy wrote: My thoughts on allowing anonymous questions are now somewhat based on previous experience at CUSG. I lost count of the number of times I said something like ‘Richard Mullen may well a chap who likes to criticise the club but surely we can learn from that and use it to our benefit?’ or similarly defend someone that I actually have no real affiliation to other than both supporting (in our own unique ways!) CUFC.

It was almost as if it wasn’t a worthy or relevant question because of who had asked it. It is simply not right to discriminate based on someone in attendances personal opinion of an individual - folk are entitled to their say (within reason and lawfulness obviously!). Sorry for using you as an example Mullen, just the most relevant I could think of - I know you’re thick skinned enough to handle it.

I would also add to this that I actually think (despite what some think themselves) some of the questions would disappear if they couldn’t have anonymity. Probing or potentially tricky questions, for example. I’m pretty certain if Kessler was made to write full name and DOB on the questions they’d probably stop asking 115 each meeting. I know some of them are answered in previous meetings or perhaps not going to be answered clearly due to confidentiality etc but I personally think having the platform to ask anonymously is important to get a broad spectrum of the fan base reached. With the outrage based on minutes being delayed I hate to imagine the fiasco if questions were ever not welcomed from a certain source; or unknown source in this instance.

I think it’s working fine as it is. If folk want to know who everyone is, try asking them. If they don’t want to disclose it, sorry.

Really sorry to hear someone has been sending you unwanted emails, Bumble. If you send us the email addresses we will cross check them with registered users and can send a note to them if needed. Not sure on this and can check but I don’t think you have to show your email on your log in profile - maybe try changing it to see if that helps?

Anyway, next question...


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Yeah, if we had to use full names I'd just stop asking questions. I think it's important to ask the difficult questions but not willing to lose my job over it. I don't see why the emails Bumble has been getting are relevant, was she implying that she thinks people on here sent them? I doubt it will be anyone on here, I haven't sent any and I don't think anyone else would. I don't agree with some of what Bumble posts but she is entitled to her views.


And there you have the best reason I can think of for making names mandatory.

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17 Feb 2020 21:58 #56 by Kessler
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cousinscotty wrote: The first CUFC Messageboard that I joined, way back when, was done by email and the vast majority of members used their real names. This was back in the dark days of FGB (Knighton) and the march around the ground.

I would have no problem with ditching the usernames and going for honesty.


The problem is that as long as we have certain users who threaten violence against people they disagree with, people simply won't feel comfortable using their real names. I'm amazed Barry still doesn't seem to realize why I won't use my real name considering all the threats he's made against me, or the threat to get me in trouble at my job.

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17 Feb 2020 22:08 #57 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Kessler wrote:

Mullen103 wrote: I think previously they(Cusg) thought all questions by me where all against them club and I had an agenda of somekind - the only agenda I had was to make the club better and to be fair when the club/clibbens have listened acted on something I’ve praised them and criticised where necessary


I think this is one area where I can sometimes fall short (my own fault). I do ask a lot of questions but that's because there's a lot of things about the way the club is being run that bothers me. The only way we're going to get change is if we ask the difficult questions and let the club know when we are unhappy about stuff, and refuse to be fobbed off. The problem is if you focus on that too much, you can sometimes overlook the good things they are doing and forget to give credit wheres its due. I know that's something I need to improve on as I can get a bit obsessed about stuff.

Yeah Barry I would stop using the forum if it required real names. That would probably would make some happy but I think it would also discourage people from coming forward to ask questions and the whole point of the Q&A is to encourage as much fan participation as possible about the questions that matter to them.


No, let's get it straight it would make a lot of people very happy

And if anyone had any issues asking difficult questions I would be more than happy to put my name to them.

And believe me, it would give me great pleasure if Nixon was so stupid to decide to come after me but unfortunately i.m pretty sure he really isn't that thick.

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18 Feb 2020 00:39 #58 by Kessler
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Ok so if they start to require real names and I wasn't comfortable doing that, I could send you my questions and you would ask them by attaching your name to them?

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18 Feb 2020 07:00 #59 by melbourneblues
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Kessler wrote:

cousinscotty wrote: The first CUFC Messageboard that I joined, way back when, was done by email and the vast majority of members used their real names. This was back in the dark days of FGB (Knighton) and the march around the ground.

I would have no problem with ditching the usernames and going for honesty.


The problem is that as long as we have certain users who threaten violence against people they disagree with, people simply won't feel comfortable using their real names. I'm amazed Barry still doesn't seem to realize why I won't use my real name considering all the threats he's made against me, or the threat to get me in trouble at my job.


More bullshit from you, you’ve been hiding your identity and IP address long before Barry made threats against you.

Mullen is a virgin.
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18 Feb 2020 07:46 #60 by Markovitch
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Isn't Kes the young lad, steward, who stands by the away dugout in front of the Paddock? I've been calling him Kes for a while, he always answers.
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18 Feb 2020 08:43 #61 by Waltero
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Careful Marko or he'll be accusing you of outing him

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18 Feb 2020 08:50 #62 by Laffy
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I’m happy to out Kes

See below

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18 Feb 2020 09:05 #63 by heilkmoon
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18 Feb 2020 12:47 #64 by Kessler
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melbourneblues wrote:

Kessler wrote:

cousinscotty wrote: The first CUFC Messageboard that I joined, way back when, was done by email and the vast majority of members used their real names. This was back in the dark days of FGB (Knighton) and the march around the ground.

I would have no problem with ditching the usernames and going for honesty.


The problem is that as long as we have certain users who threaten violence against people they disagree with, people simply won't feel comfortable using their real names. I'm amazed Barry still doesn't seem to realize why I won't use my real name considering all the threats he's made against me, or the threat to get me in trouble at my job.


More bullshit from you, you’ve been hiding your identity and IP address long before Barry made threats against you.


Why is it so important to some people? I don't care who other people on here are, I look at what they post and then make my mind up whether I agree or not. Surely that is all that matters. If I make a valid point that you agree with, are you suddenly going to stop agreeing with it because of my name? I don't understand it....What's the relevance?

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18 Feb 2020 12:51 #65 by Kessler
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And if you think I'm talking crap, like lots of people don't like my views on socialism, you're hardly going to change your views and decide socialism is right just because I told you my name?

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18 Feb 2020 12:53 #66 by Dancingbear
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Careful fellas this could all be a rouse to get the messageboard shut down for online bullying. Best totally ignored.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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18 Feb 2020 12:59 #67 by Kessler
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Who is bullying anyone?

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18 Feb 2020 13:15 #68 by Molly123
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Kessler wrote: Who is bullying anyone?


Kessler, you're one of those people who wind folk up, I come on here for the crack, light hearted banter with fellow supporters and not to read about life acoording to Kessler.
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18 Feb 2020 13:20 #69 by Kessler
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Molly123 wrote:

Kessler wrote: Who is bullying anyone?


Kessler, you're one of those people who wind folk up, I come on here for the crack, light hearted banter with fellow supporters and not to read about life acoording to Kessler.


I don't come on here for the crack or talk about the actual football matches themselves, for me the most important thing is looking at how the club is being run/stuff happening off the pitch. I know that not everybody agrees with this, but personally I think that's the foundation on which you build a successful club, you can have some good results on the pitch but if the club is being run horribly, it's not going to work long term.

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18 Feb 2020 18:18 #70 by Urban Designer
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'At the fans forum it was revealed that typically an owner has to put in £500k to keep the club afloat in tier 4 and roughly £1 million in tier 3. With Nixon also “finally” admitting the club ran out of money - therefore what incentive is there for the club to get promotion to tier 3, if as suggested as extra £500k has to be found'?


Does anyone else think this is complete Bull?

If you look at what they were saying a few years ago our breakeven crowd was around 4,500 and this has generally been achieved.

But lets just say they have been putting an extra 500k a year in since we have been in League 2 - again I don't believe this.

That means in League 1 where we get an extra £300k a year - this this was mentioned in a thread - tv money? This means the wage bill goes up £800k a year in League 1 from league 2? So league 1 players get on average (for a 20 man squad) £40,000 more a year than League 2 players?

Don't mention other costs as they will be pretty consistent. whether we are in league 1 or 2.

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18 Feb 2020 20:41 #71 by Tom
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For all groups

What is your 2nd favourite jam?

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18 Feb 2020 20:46 #72 by Kessler
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Tom wrote: For all groups

What is your 2nd favourite jam?


I think I can answer that one.

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18 Feb 2020 20:48 #73 by Tom
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You’ve not answered you daft ‘un
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18 Feb 2020 21:32 #74 by Kessler
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I always answer questions!

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18 Feb 2020 21:46 #75 by Bruntonpasty
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Oh no you don't and you know it.....

#justsayin

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18 Feb 2020 21:49 #76 by Kessler
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Bruntonpasty wrote: Oh no you don't and you know it.....

#justsayin


Oh yes I do

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18 Feb 2020 21:51 #77 by Bruntonpasty
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I asked you a question on the Man city thread, you did not answer it therefore, you do not always answer questions.

They don't like it up 'em!

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18 Feb 2020 21:53 #78 by CCU
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To think I have to scroll through all this shit to pluck the actual Q’s out.

Might operate a ‘delete any posts but Q’s’ policy from the next Meeting onwards...

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18 Feb 2020 21:53 #79 by Kessler
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Bruntonpasty wrote: I asked you a question on the Man city thread, you did not answer it therefore, you do not always answer questions.


Because it felt like you were just on a wind up rather than genuinely asking a question. If you have a look, you'll see that I gave my thoughts on the subject in that thread earlier.

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18 Feb 2020 21:56 #80 by Kessler
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CCU wrote: To think I have to scroll through all this shit to pluck the actual Q’s out.

Might operate a ‘delete any posts but Q’s’ policy from the next Meeting onwards...


Remember there's a question I'd like edited (the one about the B Teams, I've included what the edited question should be in a later post. We could always move to a shorter format where we just submit the questions on the Friday before a meeting?

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18 Feb 2020 22:02 #81 by Bruntonpasty
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Bruntonpasty wrote: I asked you a question on the Man city thread, you did not answer it therefore, you do not always answer questions.


Because it felt like you were just on a wind up rather than genuinely asking a question. If you have a look, you'll see that I gave my thoughts on the subject in that thread earlier.



Another lie. Nowhere in that thread had you replied to my question before the thread in which I asked it. NOWHERE. It has taken you until today to post anything connected with that actual thread topic.

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18 Feb 2020 22:04 #82 by Kessler
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With the amount of questions I'm asking, I think in future I might just contact the club when I have questions. I get the feeling the original idea behind these Q&A was that fans might have a couple of questions each they want answered. I don't know how the meetings themselves work or if there's a strict time limit, but I don't want to monopolize them my questions.
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18 Feb 2020 22:04 #83 by Kessler
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Bruntonpasty wrote:

Kessler wrote:

Bruntonpasty wrote: I asked you a question on the Man city thread, you did not answer it therefore, you do not always answer questions.


Because it felt like you were just on a wind up rather than genuinely asking a question. If you have a look, you'll see that I gave my thoughts on the subject in that thread earlier.



Another lie. Nowhere in that thread had you replied to my question before the thread in which I asked it. NOWHERE. It has taken you until today to post anything connected with that actual thread topic.


Yes, I gave my response earlier today :)

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18 Feb 2020 22:13 #84 by Kessler
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I suppose "earlier" could be interpreted a couple of ways so fair enough. At the time it did seem to me like you were just on a wind up, but if it was serious, go back and look at it, I've posted today what my thoughts are on the subject.

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18 Feb 2020 22:36 #85 by Arragorn
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Why dont you just [censored] off & pollute another messageboard ?
Trying to find out what questions have been asked is almost mission impossible because of all the self important crap you post!
God help CCU tyring to decipher this thread!
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18 Feb 2020 22:59 #86 by Kessler
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Yeah sorry CCU. In future I'll look at keeping it to 2-3 questions and then contact the club directly for answers to any more. Arragorn, appreciate you don't like some of what I say but I won't apologize for having strong feelings about the way this club is being run. As fans, we need to stand up and say when something is wrong otherwise we're never going to succeed.

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18 Feb 2020 23:10 #87 by Arragorn
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I dont like the way the club is being run into the ground and I have told Nigel Clibbens so. We exchange emails & I have spoken to him face to face.
Can you tell me what exactly you have done?
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18 Feb 2020 23:41 #88 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Urban Designer wrote: 'At the fans forum it was revealed that typically an owner has to put in £500k to keep the club afloat in tier 4 and roughly £1 million in tier 3. With Nixon also “finally” admitting the club ran out of money - therefore what incentive is there for the club to get promotion to tier 3, if as suggested as extra £500k has to be found'?


Does anyone else think this is complete Bull?

If you look at what they were saying a few years ago our breakeven crowd was around 4,500 and this has generally been achieved.

But lets just say they have been putting an extra 500k a year in since we have been in League 2 - again I don't believe this.

That means in League 1 where we get an extra £300k a year - this this was mentioned in a thread - tv money? This means the wage bill goes up £800k a year in League 1 from league 2? So league 1 players get on average (for a 20 man squad) £40,000 more a year than League 2 players?

Don't mention other costs as they will be pretty consistent. whether we are in league 1 or 2.


But that's the point they haven't been putting it in they've been running with a 500k loss each year.

Which for the last 3 years EWM have been covering with their credit facility.

And the rise in tv money and solidarity payments between league one and league two covers the 500k rise or at least it would if clubs didn't go out and up their wage bill by a similar amount.

One of the reasons Accy are staying afloat and breaking even in League One is that they haven't done that. They don't pay anymore now than they did in league two there are a number of reasons for that a couple being that PL and Championship clubs haven't been allowed to increase the amounts they ask for as a contribution towards loan players wages and they haven't signed established League One players who would have demanded league one wages and the increase in wage costs is purely accounted for in that JC hs been allowed to increase the size of the squad but this has been done by signing peripheral players like Bobby Grant who have returned to the club on what could be said were very low wages for a League One club.

So with the increase in crowds covering that increase the 500k increase in payments has effectively wiped out their seasonal losses which means while they continue to break even or better, AH his company and his foundation are willing to spend and loan money to the club for specific projects like the new stand and 300k on a new pitch last summer and the new bars and dressing rooms coming soon.

So if they can do it why with our capacity to generate up to a million pounds a year extra in turnover in a successful season and virtually no capacity restraints on the number of away fans we can accommodate, unlike Accy. With owners who could see that loaning the 500k at the start of the season in order to fund a successful campaign would not only see them recover their 500k but earn the same again to wipe out the year's losses.

So why if I can see that then why the hell can't the likes of Nixon Jenkins Day and EWM see it ?

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19 Feb 2020 01:52 #89 by Kessler
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Arragorn wrote: I dont like the way the club is being run into the ground and I have told Nigel Clibbens so. We exchange emails & I have spoken to him face to face.
Can you tell me what exactly you have done?


I've asked him questions too, through the Q&A. Some people say there's no point in doing that because you just get waffle, but I think that's being defeatist, I think we have to try. If we're unhappy with how they are running our club, we should be holding them to account and asking the difficult questions. I know I can piss people off on here with the way I approach these issues and I'm sorry about that, I'm just extremely fed up of watching my club drifting at the bottom of the football league, knowing that all it would take to turn things around is a change of ownership and a bit of ambition/direction. You're asking the questions that matter to you Arragorn, that's good :)

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19 Feb 2020 05:09 #90 by CarlisleWhite
Replied by CarlisleWhite on topic Re:CUSG Meeting - Mon 2nd Mar 20

Kessler wrote: Yeah sorry CCU. In future I'll look at keeping it to 2-3 questions and then contact the club directly for answers to any more. Arragorn, appreciate you don't like some of what I say but I won't apologize for having strong feelings about the way this club is being run. As fans, we need to stand up and say when something is wrong otherwise we're never going to succeed.

Really good idea that Kes, apart from the bit about asking the 2 or 3 questions on here.
Also a backtrack from your comments a few minutes before this post.
Is there not somehwere else you can get your odd satisfaction from trolling on?

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19 Feb 2020 05:39 #91 by Kessler
Replied by Kessler on topic Re:CUSG Meeting - Mon 2nd Mar 20
I'm not trolling, and I don't know why people think that. Am I not entitled to an opinion on how our club is being run just as you are, or to ask questions like many others do? I don't like the way the club is being run, and surely the whole point of the Q&A is so that anyone who has questions can ask them. I think that's a good system, although in future I will probably look at limiting my input to a couple of questions (which I imagine was the original idea, fans asking a couple of questions rather than a few people monopolizing it).

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19 Feb 2020 21:59 #92 by Kessler
Replied by Kessler on topic Re:CUSG Meeting - Mon 2nd Mar 20
Might have been asked before in which case it doesn't need to be included but

(for all) With the success of 8K for MK are there any plans for a similar promotion this season?

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19 Feb 2020 22:49 #93 by CCU
Replied by CCU on topic CUSG Meeting - Mon 2nd Mar 20
It’s been discussed already.

In the Club Updates section at beginning of the Dec 19 Meeting: www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/2019/decem...ber-meeting-minutes/

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

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20 Feb 2020 17:10 #94 by Kessler
Replied by Kessler on topic CUSG Meeting - Mon 2nd Mar 20
Thanks, don't bother with that question then.

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20 Feb 2020 21:02 #95 by NORTHERNSOUL
Replied by NORTHERNSOUL on topic CUSG Meeting - Mon 2nd Mar 20
Question for all CUOSG groups and individuals

As you are no doubt aware on The Cumbrians messageboard recently there has been a lot of speculation over the identity of a certain poster who goes by the name of KESSLER and who claims to work at the club in the executive areas.

I would be very interested to have your comments on whether you believe this person is actually an employee of the club and if so do you think the criticism of certain members of the Board of Directors is acceptable from someone who claims they are a club employee.

And do you think if so they are correct in their assumption that they need to remain anonymous in order to continue their employment or is it safe for them to reveal their identity without the fear of retribution from their employers.

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20 Feb 2020 21:14 #96 by Kessler
Replied by Kessler on topic CUSG Meeting - Mon 2nd Mar 20
The last bit of that question was sort of addressed by Nigel at the last meeting, and basically was that you can contact the club with concerns and it will be dealt with in the strictest confidence. Maybe, but considering how strongly against the BOD I am I wouldn't be comfortable giving them my name.

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20 Feb 2020 21:44 #97 by NORTHERNSOUL
Replied by NORTHERNSOUL on topic CUSG Meeting - Mon 2nd Mar 20

Kessler wrote: The last bit of that question was sort of addressed by Nigel at the last meeting, and basically was that you can contact the club with concerns and it will be dealt with in the strictest confidence. Maybe, but considering how strongly against the BOD I am I wouldn't be comfortable giving them my name.


But I don't want it dealt with in the strictest confidence I want a comment from each and every one of them out in the open

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20 Feb 2020 21:48 #98 by Kessler
Replied by Kessler on topic CUSG Meeting - Mon 2nd Mar 20

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Kessler wrote: The last bit of that question was sort of addressed by Nigel at the last meeting, and basically was that you can contact the club with concerns and it will be dealt with in the strictest confidence. Maybe, but considering how strongly against the BOD I am I wouldn't be comfortable giving them my name.


But I don't want it dealt with in the strictest confidence I want a comment from each and every one of them out in the open


I don't mean that, I'm talking about employees complaining about something. As I understand it that was basically what his response to my question about the briefing was. That any employee can raise an issue and it will be dealt with in confidence.

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20 Feb 2020 22:33 #99 by munchymagic
Replied by munchymagic on topic CUSG Meeting - Mon 2nd Mar 20
To be fair to Kes she did offer to exchange email addresses with me when she first appeared on here to discuss my views on something or other but I declined.

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21 Feb 2020 15:45 #100 by Kessler
Replied by Kessler on topic CUSG Meeting - Mon 2nd Mar 20
The answer is likely to be something like of course employees can criticize and there will be no retribution against them for doing so, but that still doesn't change how I see it. They won't want someone who has called the directors parasites to be working there.

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