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17 Feb 2020 09:07 #1 by BoardAdmin
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Hello folks,

Quick turnaround this time as we pushed back a week last time and have moved forward a week this time, both due to clashes with fixtures.

Please let us know any questions to raise at the upcoming CUSG meeting.

Questions/topics to be submitted by 18:00 on Friday 28th Feb to enable us to collate and forward to all parties.

Note: Any Questions regarding ‘Plans’ and/or ‘How much to buy the Club’ will be referred to previous answers - These, or a form of, are asked nearly every month!

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17 Feb 2020 11:01 #2 by High Street
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Can l ask 25 variations of the same question that have been asked 25 times before?

That’ll save Mullen and Kessler posting.
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17 Feb 2020 11:23 #3 by Mullen103
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At the fans forum it was revealed that typically an owner has to put in £500k to keep the club afloat in tier 4 and roughly £1 million in tier 3. With Nixon also “finally” admitting the club ran out of money - therefore what incentive is there for the club to get promotion to tier 3, if as suggested as extra £500k has to be found?

At the fans forum John Nixon didn’t answer the question in regards to whether he thinks he has failed in his time at Carlisle United and for the club. I understand he is doing well in his FA roles and representing tier 4 sides, but I want to know what he has done/achieved specifically for Carlisle United in recent years?

At least we’re not Stockport

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17 Feb 2020 11:32 #4 by Kessler
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Ah, the highlight of my month! I'll just go fetch my list...

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17 Feb 2020 11:50 #5 by Kessler
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For Nigel Clibbens

At the last meeting you were asked to give a 1-10 score on certain aspects of how the club is being run. You refused to give scores, claiming there were better ways to benchmark and monitor. Could you explain more about these other ways you use to benchmark and monitor and what your findings are from them?

Does the club currently do any research to find out the reasons why people aren’t attending? For example when a fan doesn’t renew a season ticket, do you contact them and ask why/is there anything you could do differently that would make them buy another one?

We disagree on whether the BOD are a significant reason for the lower attendances. Could we arrange for a survey asking fans why they are not attending, with unhappiness at the BOD listed as one of the available options? This would help us establish whether or not that is a significant factor, and would allow the club to see what aspects fans are unhappy about and what they need to focus on to win people back.

Regarding my question last meeting about Mr Holdsworth, fair enough if that was just how his schedule was. The problem is that if we only ever hear from him after good results, people may come to the conclusion that he’s avoiding the media during the bad results. Could you liaise with Radio Cumbria with a view to scheduling regular radio chats with Mr Holdsworth (perhaps monthly?) so that he is seen to keep in regular contact with fans regardless of how things are going on the pitch?

At the fans forum Mr Pattison made a very unfair comment about the local media which was later torn to shreds in this series of tweets by Jon Colman Will Mr Pattison be apologizing to the media for his comment?

As part of his EFL representative role, has John Nixon had, or will he have, any input over Macclesfields appeal against their 6 point deduction? Considering our position in the league, a ruling against Macclesfield could benefit us and I think that would present a conflict of interest.

Mr Nixon recently commented on the clubs decision to vote in favour of B Teams in the EFL trophy despite fans being almost unanimously opposed to it. His explanation was that the club could have been thrown out of the league if they refused to participate in it. That explains why the club must participate, but not why they had to vote in favour of it. In the past clubs like Accrington Stanley, Luton Town, Port Vale, and Portsmouth have all voted against the B Team format and not been punished for it. Nearly all of the fans you surveyed were opposed to the format, so why did you not vote against it? I know we would still have to participate, but at least voting against it would show you had listened to the fans.

Regarding EWM and succession, Mr Nixon talked about the EFL making things more difficult to move forward if you don’t provide evidence of “source and sufficiency” of funds, but went on to say that EWM clearly do have that source and sufficiency. If that’s the case then what exactly is the problem? In particular what are the “damned awkward mechanics” he is referring to?

At the fans forum you said that you didn’t like being called a failure. I don’t think you’re a failure either, but there has been serious failings at the club since the current BOD took over. We’ve gone from attendances of 8k and knocking on the door of the Championship to attendances of 4k and struggling to stay in League Two. Do any of the directors take responsibility for those failings?

For CUOSC

Not actually a question but just want to say thanks for taking up Mullens offer of website help. He explained the current site is always out of date because it’s not that easy to update and the revamp will sort that. A site which is easier for you to update will help improve communication with fans.

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17 Feb 2020 11:53 #6 by Zebby
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And that's me going offline for a few days..

Need a break

Go well folks..

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17 Feb 2020 12:23 #7 by Southernblue
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Kessler wrote: For Nigel Clibbens

At the last meeting you were asked to give a 1-10 score on certain aspects of how the club is being run. You refused to give scores, claiming there were better ways to benchmark and monitor. Could you explain more about these other ways you use to benchmark and monitor and what your findings are from them?

Does the club currently do any research to find out the reasons why people aren’t attending? For example when a fan doesn’t renew a season ticket, do you contact them and ask why/is there anything you could do differently that would make them buy another one?

We disagree on whether the BOD are a significant reason for the lower attendances. Could we arrange for a survey asking fans why they are not attending, with unhappiness at the BOD listed as one of the available options? This would help us establish whether or not that is a significant factor, and would allow the club to see what aspects fans are unhappy about and what they need to focus on to win people back.

Regarding my question last meeting about Mr Holdsworth, fair enough if that was just how his schedule was. The problem is that if we only ever hear from him after good results, people may come to the conclusion that he’s avoiding the media during the bad results. Could you liaise with Radio Cumbria with a view to scheduling regular radio chats with Mr Holdsworth (perhaps monthly?) so that he is seen to keep in regular contact with fans regardless of how things are going on the pitch?

At the fans forum Mr Pattison made a very unfair comment about the local media which was later torn to shreds in this series of tweets by Jon Colman

Will Mr Pattison be apologizing to the media for his comment?

As part of his EFL representative role, has John Nixon had, or will he have, any input over Macclesfields appeal against their 6 point deduction? Considering our position in the league, a ruling against Macclesfield could benefit us and I think that would present a conflict of interest.

Mr Nixon recently commented on the clubs decision to vote in favour of B Teams in the EFL trophy despite fans being almost unanimously opposed to it. His explanation was that the club could have been thrown out of the league if they refused to participate in it. That explains why the club must participate, but not why they had to vote in favour of it. In the past clubs like Accrington Stanley, Luton Town, Port Vale, and Portsmouth have all voted against the B Team format and not been punished for it. Nearly all of the fans you surveyed were opposed to the format, so why did you not vote against it? I know we would still have to participate, but at least voting against it would show you had listened to the fans.

Regarding EWM and succession, Mr Nixon talked about the EFL making things more difficult to move forward if you don’t provide evidence of “source and sufficiency” of funds, but went on to say that EWM clearly do have that source and sufficiency. If that’s the case then what exactly is the problem? In particular what are the “damned awkward mechanics” he is referring to?

At the fans forum you said that you didn’t like being called a failure. I don’t think you’re a failure either, but there has been serious failings at the club since the current BOD took over. We’ve gone from attendances of 8k and knocking on the door of the Championship to attendances of 4k and struggling to stay in League Two. Do any of the directors take responsibility for those failings?

For CUOSC

Not actually a question but just want to say thanks for taking up Mullens offer of website help. He explained the current site is always out of date because it’s not that easy to update and the revamp will sort that. A site which is easier for you to update will help improve communication with fans.


He did give the explanation during the Q & A, and it has been given before, as to why they went against the wishes of the fans, it was nothing to do with punishment's, whether it's right or wrong they felt that financially it was the right decision for the club to vote for it.

He also didn't suggest clubs would be punished for voting against it, he said they would be punished if we had voted against it then refused to take part, no clubs have refused to take part therefore no-one has been punished
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17 Feb 2020 12:29 #8 by Kessler
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But that doesn't add up. Surely if the club participate in the tournament then the financial situation is the same whether we voted for or against it?

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17 Feb 2020 12:30 #9 by Bumble
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For CUSG

Can we please change the rules so everyone who asks a question posts their real name at the end of their questions.

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17 Feb 2020 12:32 #10 by Kessler
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Bumble wrote: For CUSG

Can we please change the rules so everyone who asks a question posts their real name at the end of their questions.

Barbara Abbott


Stop being goady Bumble

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17 Feb 2020 12:33 #11 by Southernblue
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Kessler wrote: But that doesn't add up. Surely if the club participate in the tournament then the financial situation is the same whether we voted for or against it?


I'll be happy to bet you that's the same answer you get to that question, where it adds up or not that's the answer they have given every time they've been asked
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17 Feb 2020 12:35 #12 by whytakemypostcode
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At the forum, John Nixon spoke that he hoped EWM would take a shareholding in the club. For an organisation, that despite having a director on the Holding's board, has had no communication with the fans, and answers "no comment" to News and Star requests, please explain why this would provide the best future for CUFC.
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17 Feb 2020 12:37 #13 by Kessler
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Southernblue wrote:

Kessler wrote: But that doesn't add up. Surely if the club participate in the tournament then the financial situation is the same whether we voted for or against it?


I'll be happy to bet you that's the same answer you get to that question, where it adds up or not that's the answer they have given every time they've been asked


Might look at having that question edited then. As far as I know, if we voted against the B Teams but then participated anyway the financial situation would be exactly the same as if we voted in favour and then participated. So how exactly could one particular way of voting be the right financial decision when both options would produce an identical financial outcome?

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17 Feb 2020 12:41 #14 by Southernblue
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Kessler wrote:

Southernblue wrote:

Kessler wrote: But that doesn't add up. Surely if the club participate in the tournament then the financial situation is the same whether we voted for or against it?


I'll be happy to bet you that's the same answer you get to that question, where it adds up or not that's the answer they have given every time they've been asked


Might look at having that question edited then. As far as I know, if we voted against the B Teams but then participated anyway the financial situation would be exactly the same as if we voted in favour and then participated. So how exactly could one particular way of voting be the right financial decision when both options would produce an identical financial outcome?


I would guess that they considered the vote for yes and no may have been closer, so our BOD were making sure they were in favour to ensure it went through and they got the extra income they desired (may even have thought by voting for it that they might benefit in someway from it)

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17 Feb 2020 12:43 #15 by bruntonpete
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In the director's forum, Nigel mentioned a government initiative with huge funding available for community football initiatives. This money could possibly be seen/ used as a way of helping with stadium development and providing a sporting hub in the city that would see a new pitches, sports facilities etc with a new stadium at the centre. He said it could be possible if all parties worked together - the club, the council, the fans and the wider community.
As a fan, I'd like to ask him sincerely, what do we need to do to play our part in this? If it means writing letters, filling in application forms, trying to raise funds etc I'd be willing to do what I can to help. Im sure this could be a great incentive to unite the trust and supporters groups too to have a strong aim and goal for the benefit of the club. It sounds like something that could form a vision and plan going forward - something that has been lacking. The club just seem to be waiting on ewm and plugging holes to get by. We need something to drive us on and get us all working together. This could be that incentive.
Apologies for the long winded way of getting to the point but Nigel, as fans, what do we need to do to get the ball rolling?
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17 Feb 2020 12:43 #16 by Kessler
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Big thanks to Southernblue, wasn't aware they had said this and as a result can my question about the B Teams be amended to the following

In the past I believe the club have said it was the right financial decision to vote in favour of B Teams despite 98% of fans being against it. There’s something I’m unclear about here. If I’m wrong about this please correct me but as far as I know if we voted against the B Teams but then participated anyway, the financial situation would be exactly the same as it was if we voted in favour and then participated. I’m not aware of any teams who voted against it being any financially worse off for doing so. So how can voting in one particular way be the right financial decision when both options would produce an identical financial outcome?

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17 Feb 2020 12:58 #17 by Kessler
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bruntonpete wrote: Apologies for the long winded way of getting to the point but Nigel, as fans, what do we need to do to get the ball rolling?


Good question I'd like to know this too. I know that when I post a long list of questions it can seem I'm being confrontational but I'm not, I'm just looking for answers because I'm extremely unhappy and exasperated at seeing my team languish at the bottom of the football league when I know they are capable of so much more. Your question is very relevant because I think there are a lot of fans out there who would be willing to get involved and help out if the club could get the proper atmosphere going. A sense of all in this together, fans and players and owners all working together for success, a shared identity/family culture that makes people proud to be involved with the club. I'm confident that people are willing to help, but it requires them being made to feel welcome and valued by the club. So yes, what can we do to help?

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17 Feb 2020 13:04 #18 by Lakelandterrier
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whytakemypostcode wrote: At the forum, John Nixon spoke that he hoped EWM would take a shareholding in the club. For an organisation, that despite having a director on the Holding's board, has had no communication with the fans, and answers "no comment" to News and Star requests, please explain why this would provide the best future for CUFC.



Answer: No comment.

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17 Feb 2020 13:06 #19 by Bumble
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Kessler wrote:

Bumble wrote: For CUSG

Can we please change the rules so everyone who asks a question posts their real name at the end of their questions.

Barbara Abbott


Stop being goady Bumble


Not being goady at all.

I can see few disadvantages and many advantages and surely I have the same right to ask a question as anyone else?
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17 Feb 2020 13:10 #20 by Lakelandterrier
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Question for the football club:

We have the Hughie statue out side the club shop. Does the club have any plans to honour Ivor Broadis in this way?

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17 Feb 2020 13:25 #21 by Kessler
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Bumble wrote:

Kessler wrote:

Bumble wrote: For CUSG

Can we please change the rules so everyone who asks a question posts their real name at the end of their questions.

Barbara Abbott


Stop being goady Bumble


Not being goady at all.

I can see few disadvantages and many advantages and surely I have the same right to ask a question as anyone else?


You do have the right to ask a question same as anyone else and I would never discourage that, but I get the distinct impression you may have an ulterior motive for asking that one. If you are genuinely asking it in good faith however, the reason I don't attach my real name is because I don't want to lose my job. People can and do get sacked for criticizing their employer online. I need that extra income. Now I could go and get something else on the weekends but I like the job and like getting paid to see my team. A job that you actually enjoy going to and being at is a rare thing these days, something that you want to hold onto. I know you don't believe I work at the club, and as I won't provide proof then I suppose to an extent that's understandable. But that is why I don't attach my name.

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17 Feb 2020 13:58 #22 by Waltero
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Who are you to question peoples motives ? Barbara has every right to ask whatever question she wants, same as every other board member.
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17 Feb 2020 14:00 #23 by Flatcap
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We have been told that we cannot get anymore football grants until the east stand is finished. It is over 20 years now since it was built. Is there a time limit involved here or not?

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17 Feb 2020 14:34 #24 by SeepBladder
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Kessler wrote: Big thanks to Southernblue, wasn't aware they had said this and as a result can my question about the B Teams be amended to the following

In the past I believe the club have said it was the right financial decision to vote in favour of B Teams despite 98% of fans being against it. There’s something I’m unclear about here. If I’m wrong about this please correct me but as far as I know if we voted against the B Teams but then participated anyway, the financial situation would be exactly the same as it was if we voted in favour and then participated. I’m not aware of any teams who voted against it being any financially worse off for doing so. So how can voting in one particular way be the right financial decision when both options would produce an identical financial outcome?


They voted in favour because they were in favour.

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17 Feb 2020 14:36 #25 by NORTHERNSOUL
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bruntonpete wrote: In the director's forum, Nigel mentioned a government initiative with huge funding available for community football initiatives. This money could possibly be seen/ used as a way of helping with stadium development and providing a sporting hub in the city that would see a new pitches, sports facilities etc with a new stadium at the centre. He said it could be possible if all parties worked together - the club, the council, the fans and the wider community.
As a fan, I'd like to ask him sincerely, what do we need to do to play our part in this? If it means writing letters, filling in application forms, trying to raise funds etc I'd be willing to do what I can to help. Im sure this could be a great incentive to unite the trust and supporters groups too to have a strong aim and goal for the benefit of the club. It sounds like something that could form a vision and plan going forward - something that has been lacking. The club just seem to be waiting on ewm and plugging holes to get by. We need something to drive us on and get us all working together. This could be that incentive.
Apologies for the long winded way of getting to the point but Nigel, as fans, what do we need to do to get the ball rolling?


As usual its a load of crap the money is about providing changing facilities 3G/4G pitches. improved changing rooms and an all-round better environment for grassroots football and definitely NOT about providing massive wedges of cash to league two club owners who despite having enough cash to pay to build a new stadium themselves think they can scam it out of the government instead

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17 Feb 2020 14:38 #26 by Kessler
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Waltero wrote: Who are you to question peoples motives ? Barbara has every right to ask whatever question she wants, same as every other board member.
Walter Oswald


Yes she does, I already agreed with that. I personally don't see any benefits in requiring people to attach their real name to a question, only negatives. People who feel strongly about attaching their name to a question they can already do so, as you and Bumble have done. But I think that requiring it would discourage some people from asking stuff. What about people who want to ask questions but don't want their real name out there for everybody to see? It's a very poorly thought out suggestion, one that I think would simply discourage some fans from asking questions that matter to them. Surely the point of the Q&A is to encourage as much fan participation as possible? Bumble's suggestion would likely do the opposite.

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17 Feb 2020 14:41 #27 by Kessler
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SeepBladder wrote:

Kessler wrote: Big thanks to Southernblue, wasn't aware they had said this and as a result can my question about the B Teams be amended to the following

In the past I believe the club have said it was the right financial decision to vote in favour of B Teams despite 98% of fans being against it. There’s something I’m unclear about here. If I’m wrong about this please correct me but as far as I know if we voted against the B Teams but then participated anyway, the financial situation would be exactly the same as it was if we voted in favour and then participated. I’m not aware of any teams who voted against it being any financially worse off for doing so. So how can voting in one particular way be the right financial decision when both options would produce an identical financial outcome?


They voted in favour because they were in favour.


If they were going to vote in favour regardless of what we said then they shouldn't have held a survey. That would actually have been slightly better than holding a survey, and then going against what 98% of your fans voted for.

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17 Feb 2020 14:48 #28 by Waltero
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If you've got nothing to hide why not give your name. If the club sack you for asking genuine questions then you have a claim against them. I doubt they'd want the negative publicity which would follow such an incident. So stand up and be counted. Regarding giving my name i've nothing to hide. I've told them to their faces what I think of how their running the club. If they ban me for that I'll definately see them in court
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17 Feb 2020 14:50 #29 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Question for Clibbins

Is it correct that the club has stopped using the training facilities that they previously used at Creighton Rugby Club ? and if so is it correct that a Financial dispute is behind the change ?

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17 Feb 2020 14:51 #30 by Kessler
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Waltero wrote: If you've got nothing to hide why not give your name. If the club sack you for asking genuine questions then you have a claim against them. I doubt they'd want the negative publicity which would follow such an incident. So stand up and be counted. Regarding giving my name i've nothing to hide. I've told them to their faces what I think of how their running the club. If they ban me for that I'll definately see them in court


Unless I'm missing something, what exactly would you see them in court for? They can ban someone for any reason they like as long as it's not discriminatory (for example banning you specifically for being black) so don't think you would have any kind of case against them.

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17 Feb 2020 15:44 #31 by Waltero
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For telling them politely how I think they're running the club is not against any law that I know of. You tell me where it is written then that a fan can't express his/hers point of view. They are on record stating that they welcome feedback from the fans

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17 Feb 2020 15:52 #32 by Kessler
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Waltero wrote: For telling them politely how I think they're running the club is not against any law that I know of. You tell me where it is written then that a fan can't express his/hers point of view. They are on record stating that they welcome feedback from the fans


It's not against the law, but it's also not against the law for them to ban anyone they like for whatever reason (with a few exceptions) or in fact for no reason. I'm not saying it's right, and I think they would be foolish to ban people for politely criticizing them because of the negative publicity, but as the law stands they are perfectly entitled to do that and you would have no grounds to take them to court over it.

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17 Feb 2020 16:07 #33 by Waltero
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I'll be sure to let you know the court date if it does happen

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17 Feb 2020 16:11 #34 by Kessler
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Waltero wrote: I'll be sure to let you know the court date if it does happen


Ok so what exactly would you take them to court for, which law do you think they would be breaking by banning you?

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Waltero wrote: For telling them politely how I think they're running the club is not against any law that I know of. You tell me where it is written then that a fan can't express his/hers point of view. They are on record stating that they welcome feedback from the fans


It's not against the law, but it's also not against the law for them to ban anyone they like for whatever reason (with a few exceptions) or in fact for no reason. I'm not saying it's right, and I think they would be foolish to ban people for politely criticizing them because of the negative publicity, but as the law stands they are perfectly entitled to do that and you would have no grounds to take them to court over it.


Just imagine the publicity that 'you' would get Kes if they dared sack you for expressing your views.

You could turn it into a personal crusade with a three day write up in the EN&S, imagine it - no more hiding away behind a computer screen you would have your name and photo everywhere.

You could be a local celebrity who came from humble beginnings on a message board to the person who led the uprising.

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17 Feb 2020 16:22 #36 by Kessler
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Kessler wrote:

Waltero wrote: For telling them politely how I think they're running the club is not against any law that I know of. You tell me where it is written then that a fan can't express his/hers point of view. They are on record stating that they welcome feedback from the fans


It's not against the law, but it's also not against the law for them to ban anyone they like for whatever reason (with a few exceptions) or in fact for no reason. I'm not saying it's right, and I think they would be foolish to ban people for politely criticizing them because of the negative publicity, but as the law stands they are perfectly entitled to do that and you would have no grounds to take them to court over it.


Just imagine the publicity that 'you' would get Kes if they dared sack you for expressing your views.

You could turn it into a personal crusade with a three day write up in the EN&S, imagine it - no more hiding away behind a computer screen you would have your name and photo everywhere.

You could be a local celebrity who came from humble beginnings on a message board to the person who led the uprising.

The clubs future is in your hands.


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17 Feb 2020 16:36 #37 by CCU
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Quick piece on asking of Q’s at the Meeting via this Messageboard and people revealing names:

When we first started doing this at the Meetings, we discussed the fact that some people prefer to use their Usernames to ask as opposed to their real names. Indeed CUOSC mentioned they didn’t like not knowing who was asking. I countered that surely it’s better to have people asking, regardless of who it was? I then said that nearly all users are known to us (There’s a small percentage who registered prior to us taking it on who we can’t verify - we’ve a pretty good idea on nearly all of these though!) and we wouldn’t bring Q’s from people we can’t vouch for.

That’s how it is, and that’s how it will be staying. If some folk wish to put their names to Q’s, not a problem. If some folk don’t, not a problem either.

Rest assured, names aren’t going to be spilled moving forwards (small matter of GDPR too!) and the minute it is insisted upon is the moment the Group will finish IMO.

Carry on...

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17 Feb 2020 16:44 #38 by Kessler
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I agree, the aim should be to encourage as much fan participation and get people asking the questions that matter to them. People can attach their name to their question if they want, like Bumble and Waltero have, but it shouldn't be required. If a valid point or question is raised, then it isn't relevant who asks it imo.

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17 Feb 2020 17:12 #39 by Bumble
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Ah well, cancel my question then, it was only my opinion.

This is the only forum I frequent where people don't use their own verified names.

Over the last week or so I have had a load of trolling via email addressed to Bumble from random hotmail accounts.

I'm big enough and daft enough not to be too bothered about it. It's happened before and no doubt will happen again.

It's made me think though, why are people hiding behind usernames, just a touch of unease about the whole thing.

So this format isn't for me, but fully understand I am in the minority.
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17 Feb 2020 17:22 #40 by Kessler
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Bumble wrote: Ah well, cancel my question then, it was only my opinion.

This is the only forum I frequent where people don't use their own verified names.

Over the last week or so I have had a load of trolling via email addressed to Bumble from random hotmail accounts.

I'm big enough and daft enough not to be too bothered about it. It's happened before and no doubt will happen again.

It's made me think though, why are people hiding behind usernames, just a touch of unease about the whole thing.

So this format isn't for me, but fully understand I am in the minority.


You're entitled to your opinion Bumble, I just don't personally agree with it. Mullen mentioned that in the past Nixon tried to get him in trouble with his boss because of what he posted. Can you understand that might make other people who criticize Nixon reluctant to attach their real names? Also when there are people on this forum who threaten to break your door in at 3am, or break your knees, would you be happy with them having your details?

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17 Feb 2020 17:45 #41 by Kessler
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I'm also struggling to see why it's any of your business what someones name is. You can look at what someone posts and decide whether you agree or disagree with them. If you agree then you can say so, and if you disagree you can argue against what they said. Why do you want to know their name, how is it relevant? If I raised a point which you agree with, will you suddenly stop agreeing with it if I don't sign it with my real name? If so, why?

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17 Feb 2020 19:07 #42 by Mouldy
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My thoughts on allowing anonymous questions are now somewhat based on previous experience at CUSG. I lost count of the number of times I said something like ‘Richard Mullen may well a chap who likes to criticise the club but surely we can learn from that and use it to our benefit?’ or similarly defend someone that I actually have no real affiliation to other than both supporting (in our own unique ways!) CUFC.

It was almost as if it wasn’t a worthy or relevant question because of who had asked it. It is simply not right to discriminate based on someone in attendances personal opinion of an individual - folk are entitled to their say (within reason and lawfulness obviously!). Sorry for using you as an example Mullen, just the most relevant I could think of - I know you’re thick skinned enough to handle it.

I would also add to this that I actually think (despite what some think themselves) some of the questions would disappear if they couldn’t have anonymity. Probing or potentially tricky questions, for example. I’m pretty certain if Kessler was made to write full name and DOB on the questions they’d probably stop asking 115 each meeting. I know some of them are answered in previous meetings or perhaps not going to be answered clearly due to confidentiality etc but I personally think having the platform to ask anonymously is important to get a broad spectrum of the fan base reached. With the outrage based on minutes being delayed I hate to imagine the fiasco if questions were ever not welcomed from a certain source; or unknown source in this instance.

I think it’s working fine as it is. If folk want to know who everyone is, try asking them. If they don’t want to disclose it, sorry.

Really sorry to hear someone has been sending you unwanted emails, Bumble. If you send us the email addresses we will cross check them with registered users and can send a note to them if needed. Not sure on this and can check but I don’t think you have to show your email on your log in profile - maybe try changing it to see if that helps?

Anyway, next question...


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17 Feb 2020 19:16 #43 by Kessler
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Mouldy wrote: My thoughts on allowing anonymous questions are now somewhat based on previous experience at CUSG. I lost count of the number of times I said something like ‘Richard Mullen may well a chap who likes to criticise the club but surely we can learn from that and use it to our benefit?’ or similarly defend someone that I actually have no real affiliation to other than both supporting (in our own unique ways!) CUFC.

It was almost as if it wasn’t a worthy or relevant question because of who had asked it. It is simply not right to discriminate based on someone in attendances personal opinion of an individual - folk are entitled to their say (within reason and lawfulness obviously!). Sorry for using you as an example Mullen, just the most relevant I could think of - I know you’re thick skinned enough to handle it.

I would also add to this that I actually think (despite what some think themselves) some of the questions would disappear if they couldn’t have anonymity. Probing or potentially tricky questions, for example. I’m pretty certain if Kessler was made to write full name and DOB on the questions they’d probably stop asking 115 each meeting. I know some of them are answered in previous meetings or perhaps not going to be answered clearly due to confidentiality etc but I personally think having the platform to ask anonymously is important to get a broad spectrum of the fan base reached. With the outrage based on minutes being delayed I hate to imagine the fiasco if questions were ever not welcomed from a certain source; or unknown source in this instance.

I think it’s working fine as it is. If folk want to know who everyone is, try asking them. If they don’t want to disclose it, sorry.

Really sorry to hear someone has been sending you unwanted emails, Bumble. If you send us the email addresses we will cross check them with registered users and can send a note to them if needed. Not sure on this and can check but I don’t think you have to show your email on your log in profile - maybe try changing it to see if that helps?

Anyway, next question...


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Yeah, if we had to use full names I'd just stop asking questions. I think it's important to ask the difficult questions but not willing to lose my job over it. I don't see why the emails Bumble has been getting are relevant, was she implying that she thinks people on here sent them? I doubt it will be anyone on here, I haven't sent any and I don't think anyone else would. I don't agree with some of what Bumble posts but she is entitled to her views.

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17 Feb 2020 19:31 #44 by Waltero
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Very magnanimous of you Kess. I agree with CCU everyone has the right to anonymity I chose to name myself but I'm quite sure a few know me anyway

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17 Feb 2020 19:35 #45 by Lakelandterrier
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We also have to be careful in that admin from different groups could spill information/identities to other groups by mistake or otherwise because info can be passed via meeting which should not happen.

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17 Feb 2020 19:47 #46 by Mullen103
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That’s fine Mouldy: I think previously they(Cusg) thought all questions by me where all against them club and I had an agenda of somekind - the only agenda I had was to make the club better and to be fair when the club/clibbens have listened acted on something I’ve praised them and criticised where necessary - I think that’s improved since you’ve attended the meeting.

On anonymity, I personally don’t like it but each to their own. I just like to know who I’m talking too and that people can contact me/ know who I am if need be.

CUSAT - I had issues with them a few years ago about a certain issue however lately ive heard from a few “disabled” travelers that say things have improved loads. Not sure what these issues are/were but that’s good.

Disability issues: things are moving on. People are praising our facilities/comunications which is amazing really. Away disabled supporters like the touch of a warm drink.

On Bumbles spam, no need: I’ve disagreed with Bumble on many of things but we’re always civil. The spam about penis enlargements and boob jobs are/were welcome though.

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17 Feb 2020 20:10 - 17 Feb 2020 20:11 #47 by CCU
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Lakelandterrier wrote: We also have to be careful in that admin from different groups could spill information/identities to other groups by mistake or otherwise because info can be passed via meeting which should not happen.


Certainly not a problem from a Messageboard point of view. Can’t speak for other organisations...

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17 Feb 2020 20:39 #48 by Lakelandterrier
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CCU wrote:

Lakelandterrier wrote: We also have to be careful in that admin from different groups could spill information/identities to other groups by mistake or otherwise because info can be passed via meeting which should not happen.


Certainly not a problem from a Messageboard point of view. Can’t speak for other organisations...


I think its being looked into as individuals from groups have approached individuals privately and asked for information on who has attended meetings, and using information which had not been agreed by people.


Surely this cannot happen.

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17 Feb 2020 21:13 #49 by STH
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Can we put the path to the rugby club back as it was please?

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17 Feb 2020 21:27 #50 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Kessler wrote:

Bumble wrote: Ah well, cancel my question then, it was only my opinion.

This is the only forum I frequent where people don't use their own verified names.

Over the last week or so I have had a load of trolling via email addressed to Bumble from random hotmail accounts.

I'm big enough and daft enough not to be too bothered about it. It's happened before and no doubt will happen again.

It's made me think though, why are people hiding behind usernames, just a touch of unease about the whole thing.

So this format isn't for me, but fully understand I am in the minority.


You're entitled to your opinion Bumble, I just don't personally agree with it. Mullen mentioned that in the past Nixon tried to get him in trouble with his boss because of what he posted. Can you understand that might make other people who criticize Nixon reluctant to attach their real names? Also when there are people on this forum who threaten to break your door in at 3am, or break your knees, would you be happy with them having your details?


They can have my name, address, phone number and length of my dick for all I care because I know I can call them what the hell I like because I know for certain that none of them have the balls to do anything about it.

A while back I had what I can only describe as a threatening e.mail to an account I very rarely use but which does just happen to be the one I use on the CUFC ticketing platform. So draw your own conclusions from that I certainly did at the time and when you add that to a couple of statements in the maili.m pretty sure I know who sent it, let's just say he.s very close to Andrew Jenkins and his business.

The only people on here with anything to fear from the likes of me are the arse holes who hide behind user names and refuse to reveal their true identities.

One good thing to come out of the whole Flack episode is that it looks like people hiding behind user names on the internet could well be coming to an end and if it does I can see the likes of 192.com getting very busy.

Maybe this board could set a good example and bring it tomorrow and if they did I .ll guarantee that you wouldn't see the likes of "Miss Kessler" for dust.
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