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23 May 2020 17:24 #3351 by thesilentone
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Dancingbear wrote: Exactly Mullen. Makes you wonder if Cummings is in fact in charge the way they’re squirming round to protect him.


C'mon, don't be so naive, it's a political battle, the lefty Union Ass/Police/Comm leaks to the press about Cummings, while a couple of weeks ago he was speaking against his own colleges at Derby for being to hard and using drones to spot lock-down breakers ?

The question is, who will win, and will Cummings survive ? (personally I think he's a toxxer)

Given the other high profiler's who resigned, I think he will struggle, however he has a better excuse.

There is one thing for sure, the Police are not telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth either.
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23 May 2020 17:34 #3352 by Alan
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Parents decide to move close to family member incase they get so ill they won't be able to look after their young child.

Truly disgraceful hang the [censored].

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23 May 2020 20:00 #3353 by CCU
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Mirror reporting a second ‘breach’ by Cummings:


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23 May 2020 20:11 #3354 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Chilledsilly wrote: If what your saying is true , does that mean wev all been thrown under a bus by the government for no reason ?
Making them the worst government there has ever been ?
At the end of the day whether we're for or against the lockdown ...all we can do is take a lead from the PM ?
So ? ..
If wer now in the biggest debt this country has ever been .... Is it the tories to blame .....baring in mind your saying there hasn't been any need to lockdown ?


Exactly what I .ve said from day one

They've thrown us under the financial bus for the next 20 years to save a few old and sick people who in all likelihood would have been dead within a couple of years anyway and in the process killed a few hundred medical professionals and tens of thousands of care home residents whose safety would have been assured by a lockdown while the fit and healthy of us got on with our lives as they did in Sweden where the sacrificed a few thousand deaths against shutting the country down and dumping it into financial oblivion.

I.m pretty sure that the minute Brexit is delivered and Starmer has held his night of the long knives all those millions of votes belonging to White British working class people will have their loans terminated and Boris and his Tory boys will be history for a very long time.



Sweden's herd immunity policy has failed, only 7% of the population has the antibodies, so a long way short of the 80-90% needed. Plus 50% of the deaths are in care homes.

From the UK standpoint, one or two decent young people with underlying conditions have also died, contracting COVID in hospital where they were receiving treatment for other things, so back off big lad.

There are most definitely plenty I would like to throw under a bus, but furloghing people and supporting small businesses is a very responsible thing to do. Any that don't think so and feel strongly enough about it, if your a beneficiary, just send the money back, and you're conscience is clear.


Of course, it hasn't failed Yes they have four or five times the deaths of the other Scandanavian countries but unlike them and us, they haven't trashed their economy doing it.

Yes they compared to their neighbours they have had lots of extra deaths but those deaths have mainly occurred in care homes and amongst the over 65.s who would have likely been dead of something else pretty soon anyway. amongst the rest of the population who carried on with their normal, there's hardly been any increase whatsoever.

Try watching Hardtalk with the guy who devised their strategy and who runs it on a daily basis made more sense in half an hour than Boris and his boys and their experts have done in 3 months of briefings.

And if they'd followed the Swedish model we wouldn't be having to spend billions furloughing people and giving out billions in grants, would we?

And yes you're right when you say one or two well actually a total of 258 out of 36000 in the fit and healthy group who've died not a figure i.d say shows any cause for concern in fact when it's all over I bet the investigations will be into why it was so low and not why we lost thousands of fit and healthy people.

Its becoming clearer by the day that the way to have gone about would have been to lock away the over 65.s and those with underlying conditions and others who may well have been vulnerable for other reasons while leaving the rest of the population to get on with their lives and keep the economy intact.

As it's turned out lockdown has been very good for my business rates have increased by about 25% and for those who are working they're earning about the same but in a much shorter time and it hasn't taken much to provide cover stories and evidence for the girls when they're out working to throw plod off the scent. I.ve claimed a grant and had a loan why shouldn't I? especially in light of the fact that the [censored] are still refusing to pay out those of us who take a proportion of the earnings in dividend payments from our companies and that if you took furlough on the bit you get as PAYE you'd then be giving up your right to carry on working in your business.

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23 May 2020 20:23 #3355 by Alan
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CCU wrote: Mirror reporting a second ‘breach’ by Cummings:


Probably still living there and just out for daily exercise.
The [censored]

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23 May 2020 20:53 #3356 by Chilledsilly
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Yeh but there'll be a reason for it ...

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23 May 2020 22:04 #3357 by topstepwhinger
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It's ok, he had a note from Alan.
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23 May 2020 23:31 #3358 by Arragorn
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It will be difficult to get rid of Cummings. He's the guy who tells Bojo what to do and obviously thinks he is above the law.

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24 May 2020 00:30 #3359 by howoldboy
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Arragorn wrote: It will be difficult to get rid of Cummings. He's the guy who tells Bojo what to do and obviously thinks he is above the law.


Don't forget that Dominic Cummings is a northerner who, post university, spent 3 years working in Russia.

After witnessing the gross incompetence of Bojo and his ex Etonian chums in the 6 months since the election, the suspicion has to be that DC is deliberately leading them astray.

Could it be that he is a closet socialist (maybe even a communist at heart) whose prime objective is to sabotage the Government?

If so he is certainly doing a fine job.
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24 May 2020 04:03 #3360 by carwash
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I can't help but think that the Cummings storm is being helped along by the government to distract from its handling of the pandemic. The NHS tracking app is beset with problems meaning that the national roll-out could be deferred indefinitely. The trial version on the IOW can't even update contacts with the test status of people that they have had warnings about. At least with the human contact tracers you should get an indication of who you are supposed to have been in contact with.

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24 May 2020 06:50 #3361 by Markovitch
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Why have we trashed the economy? The cost isn't that high. Its a fraction of a cost of trident. A weapons system that we still can't steer. Scrap that and we'll have hundreds of billions left over for the NHS.

The tories have blamed everyone else for their incompetence for 10 years. Let's not let them blame this virus for the next 10

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24 May 2020 07:45 #3362 by Prawncrackhead
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Laffy wrote: For all you lockdowners

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347635...an-study-claims.html


We've been had! Definitely questions for the media and a few scientists to answer after all this! Should have shielded the vulnerable and care homes only. We should have had scientific debate, not just one side of the story and the other censored.

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24 May 2020 09:05 #3363 by hampshire_blue
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What’s got to me about this Cummings stuff is that was it legal? Simply because I live with my family in Southampton and haven’t been back to Carlisle in 3 years. I would have pack the family in the car and came back to Carlisle to isolate with my parents. My son would have loved it and I would have had a chance to spend time with my family that my son sees via video chat. Instead we’ve been cooked up in our expensive little ex council house, trying to spare each others sanity and this [censored] was flying around the country, family in tow whilst [censored] ill.

And he doesn’t care how he looks to the public? How do the Tories think this would make the country feel? I mean seriously, we have an UNELECTED man basically in charge of the country. Tories are pretty much a mini EU!!!
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24 May 2020 09:20 #3364 by hampshire_blue
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Prawncrackhead wrote:

Laffy wrote: For all you lockdowners

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347635...an-study-claims.html


We've been had! Definitely questions for the media and a few scientists to answer after all this! Should have shielded the vulnerable and care homes only. We should have had scientific debate, not just one side of the story and the other censored.


The Daily Mail and JP Morgan... Woooo, top right wing research Laffy, some right good data there.

When did we actually have a proper lockdown? Eh, never.

If we can’t stop people coming into the country who are carrying the virus then we didn’t have a proper lockdown. Borders still ain’t closed and now the government are THINKING about doing it on June 8th? I mean, come the [censored] on and open your eyes people. New Zealand closed down pretty much straight away and they are opening back up now, getting their economy open and internal people movement is being increased.

We’ve made a royal [censored] up, you can’t deny that but don’t worry because that’s exactly what the Tories will do. Cummings probably said just spout off about some rich people who WE have let pay their staff on furlough. Thick public will lap it up.

Go and gaffer tape Cummings to end of Branson’s rocket, about all that he’s good for, the useless preverbal lady’s part.

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24 May 2020 09:42 #3365 by pacirv
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There have throughout history been times of economic decline a re setting of finance isn't always a bad thing.
The economy's will recover as they always do. Its bordering on being subhuman to put Wealth before health.
You can come back from a downturn you can't come back from death.
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24 May 2020 09:46 #3366 by nobbyblue
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Many many more people will die because of the downturn in the economy than because of the virus though. It’s not a case of one or the other.
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24 May 2020 09:48 #3367 by nobbyblue
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Grant Shapps on Andrew Marr shortly. That should be a laugh! :-D

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24 May 2020 10:12 #3368 by CarlisleWhite
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nobbyblue wrote: Cummins must have things on Boris and his mates the way they are rushing to support him.

Or maybe he is just very loyal.

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24 May 2020 10:17 #3369 by nobbyblue
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Shapps was struggling to defend the indefensible just now. And realised it himself.

Tens of thousands of people now realise they could have travelled and moved in with extended family when ill instead of struggling on to stay within the ‘guidelines’.

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24 May 2020 10:17 #3370 by CarlisleWhite
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Thing about the Cummins scenario (I think he will be gone by the way) is what would others have done?.
His Mrs was symptomatic, so he reasonably thought he would get it, and they had a 4 year old child. Who would look afer the child if they were both bed bound?
There are even some people saying he should have put his child into the care system. Really?
I think in his circumstanes I would probably have done the same but not made it such a secret.
So, all those criticising him should say what they would have done.
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24 May 2020 10:18 #3371 by Chilledsilly
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Grant Shapps while denying everything on behalf of Cummings ,is doing himself no good at all.... tory cover up won't wash !
He denies he returns for a 2nd trip but doesn't know about whether he went to Barnard castle ???
Really ...
He thinks he might have gone to Barnard castle 260 miles away for a day trip and not stayed over ???
Wow
I'm going to have to go this castle it must be amazing !

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24 May 2020 10:27 #3372 by Markovitch
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CarlisleWhite wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: Cummins must have things on Boris and his mates the way they are rushing to support him.

Or maybe he is just very loyal.


The man who beat up his mistress because she complained he was shagging an American! All while he was being divorced for adultery!

That actually made me laugh out loud

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24 May 2020 10:32 #3373 by nobbyblue
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Track and trace on Isle of Wight has gone well. Only found one case and that was the local MPs girlfriend. :-D

Google and Apple app used by 22 countries but not UK.
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24 May 2020 10:46 - 24 May 2020 10:47 #3374 by CCU
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Chilledsilly wrote: I'm going to have to go this castle it must be amazing !


Sounds like the Russians heading to Salisbury Cathedral!

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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24 May 2020 10:47 #3375 by carwash
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Chilledsilly wrote: Grant Shapps while denying everything on behalf of Cummings ,is doing himself no good at all.... tory cover up won't wash !
He denies he returns for a 2nd trip but doesn't know about whether he went to Barnard castle ???
Really ...
He thinks he might have gone to Barnard castle 260 miles away for a day trip and not stayed over ???
Wow
I'm going to have to go this castle it must be amazing !


Although Shapps tried hard to deal with the questions this morning, he let himself down by not replying to the questions about Cummings in Barnard Castle by mentioning his A66 upgrade. I suspect he doesn't actually know where Barnard Castle is.
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24 May 2020 10:56 #3376 by Dancingbear
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Put tele on must have been half way through Shapps interview. My thoughts were why are you embarrassing yourself on national tv like that? I’d be [censored] fuming if I was him.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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24 May 2020 10:58 #3377 by Dazzyblue
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At the end of the day who really gives a flying [censored] what Cummings has done? Like every person during this made up sh1t storm people are old enough and wise enough to make their own decisions. Do people now need to be told what they can and can't do off media etc etc. Make your own minds up and do what you like instead of waiting for things that spout fake crap all the time to make it for you. Blind leading the blind springs to mind and its pathetic.
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24 May 2020 11:23 #3378 by orfc
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Alan wrote: Parents decide to move close to family member incase they get so ill they won't be able to look after their young child.

Truly disgraceful hang the [censored].


www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-...oronavirus-symptoms/

"If you or someone you live with has symptoms of coronavirus:

Do not leave your home for any reason
"


Which part of that clear advice are you finding difficult to cognitively process Alan?
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24 May 2020 13:27 #3379 by Prawncrackhead
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Only action they need to take in my opinion is give back the fines they dished out to people for basic freedoms and apologise for criminalising basic freedom.

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24 May 2020 15:23 #3380 by thesilentone
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Some really good news:

"CUMBRIA'S hospitals have had two days with no reported Covid-19 deaths, new figures show.

According to the latest batch of statistics released by NHS England, North Cumbria Integrated Care Foundation Trust, which runs Carlisle's Cumberland Infirmary and West Cumberland Hospital in Whitehaven, yesterday reported no further fatalities - they reported no fatalities on Saturday either.

In the south of the county, the NHS trust which runs Furness General Hospital, as well as a hospital in Lancashire also reported no further deaths for two days.

The North East based NHS trust which runs Carlisle's Carleton Clinic psychiatric unit has reported no new coronavirus-related deaths for a number of days."
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24 May 2020 15:38 #3381 by howoldboy
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Indeed good news.

It seems that Cumbria is now reaping the rewards for staying at home like the Government said.

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24 May 2020 16:23 #3382 by Alan
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Been for a lovely walk in Newlands Valley today truely stunning this time of year a really quiet part of Cumbria.
We were going to include Moral High Ground but had to turn around as it was overrun with pricks with European and Labour Party flags

Enough from me anyhow I'm off to put my family first.

100% respect to DC for doing the same.
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24 May 2020 16:37 #3383 by Chilledsilly
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Hahahaha ...
Them chips must be heavy
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24 May 2020 16:42 #3384 by Laffy
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No Chilled-he’s putting his family first.It seems that’s not allowed in la la land.Just listened to some mad cow on BBC saying DC actually didn’t need to have family support after all-ah with the benefit of hindsight which is a wonderful thing.

Marr today said the true comparison of how Labour would have dealt with the crisis is evidenced by their actions in Wales-and it’s not brilliant.

That the crisis has been turned into a political broadcast is shameful.

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24 May 2020 16:54 #3385 by Chilledsilly
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Hahaha ... laughable,defending the indefensible.

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24 May 2020 17:02 #3386 by Laffy
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Let me think

A-stick with a brilliant strategist who hasn’t actually broken the rules(unless you believe the Mirror) or

B.Listen to the likes of Ed Davey and a host of holier than thou socialists queuing up to put the boot in

Let’s see what Boris says

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24 May 2020 17:04 #3387 by Laffy
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Well done Boris-

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24 May 2020 17:06 #3388 by Taffy-P
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Unbelievable what a coward
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24 May 2020 17:12 #3389 by Laffy
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That’s loyalty and commonsense-backed up with an 80 seat majority.

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24 May 2020 17:15 #3390 by Wukkie
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I thought we were all told to stay in unless absolutely necessary and if we did venture out to stay local.

To me a 200-odd mile trip isn't staying local.

There's already far too many flouting the lockdown rules as if there isn't anything going on so now many who have been following the rules will just think bugger it, if he can do it then why can't I.
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24 May 2020 17:24 #3391 by Markovitch
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ONS figures for May 20th, minus 525 deaths. The dead are getting better!

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24 May 2020 17:27 #3392 by nobbyblue
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Boris should have made it clear when announcing the lockdown that it was ok to drive hundreds of miles with Covid from your primary residence to visit extended family.
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24 May 2020 17:30 #3393 by nobbyblue
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Boris is talking absolute shite now and is looking silly
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24 May 2020 17:34 #3394 by whytakemypostcode
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Lapping defending the indefensible. Get a grip Andrew!

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24 May 2020 17:38 #3395 by Laffy
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I admire him for sticking by him-unlike the holier than thou who are behaving like wolverines.

I like the way he is squashing the questioners.

He does look rough but of course he was on death’s door-unless you listen to Marko conspiracist extraordinaire

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24 May 2020 17:38 #3396 by Markovitch
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Cummings is the sort of weasely wee shit who would put his parents life in danger so he could steal all their toilet paper

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24 May 2020 17:40 #3397 by Laffy
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Do you know him?No

He did deliver a glorious victory for us Tories-and delivered Brexit as a result.

As for the unhappy back benchers, have a look at the growing dole queue and let us know what you want to do

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24 May 2020 17:40 #3398 by Mullen103
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Sorry Laffy but I just can’t understand how anyone can defend Boris/Cummings on this.

Boris has been a bumbling lying idiot on this. Again I like Boris but on this he is wrong very wrong!

The guidance was set and they were many questions/answers about the issue Cummings had and all the answers were stop at home.

Cummings needs to go - the longer this goes on Boris (and others) will need to go.

At least we’re not Stockport
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24 May 2020 17:41 #3399 by Dancingbear
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Just think we were somewhat jokingly giving MRF a hard time on here for taking his dog for a piss and doing laps of maryport on his bike when it turns out he could have had a cycle to London as long as he stayed socially distant.

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24 May 2020 17:41 #3400 by nobbyblue
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I’m not sure how Cummings actions were done to avoid spreading the virus as Boris says.

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