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24 Mar 2020 19:03 #1101 by Urban Designer
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Germany have a higher number of confirmed cases because they are testing a lot more including the community.

UK infected are estimated to be 10-20 times of those confirmed.

New cases and deaths are decreasing in Northern Italy but increasing in the south.

In Southern Italy it will be worse as the healthcare system there is a lot worse than the north.

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24 Mar 2020 19:21 #1102 by melbourneblues
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nobbyblue wrote: What’s the latest for the self employed. I’ve no work and the money I’m already owed will be hard to get in in the present climate.

The works going to be sparse for the foreseeable. What are you meant to live off?


Get a job delivering for Tesco’s or Asda until the airport runs get busy again.

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24 Mar 2020 19:26 #1103 by nobbyblue
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I’m not a taxi driver by the way.

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24 Mar 2020 20:12 #1104 by crunchblue
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My ex is a prostitute. She’s really struggling for work at the moment with the social distancing and her not being a key worker.

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24 Mar 2020 20:14 #1105 by Urban Designer
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NY State is now virtually tied with Italy in rate of confirmed cases - both around 105 per 100k residents - even though NY state is less densely populated than Italy, and Italy has a 2 week head start on NY.

I wonder if Mexicans are now chanting to Trump - 'Build that Wall'!

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24 Mar 2020 20:44 #1106 by carwash
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nobbyblue wrote: What’s the latest for the self employed. I’ve no work and the money I’m already owed will be hard to get in in the present climate.

The works going to be sparse for the foreseeable. What are you meant to live off?


I think if the restrictions are loosened at the end of 3 weeks, tradespeople may be allowed to visit people's houses provided social distancing of 2 metres is maintained. The current rules although understandable include some aspects which are much less likely to transmit the infection than travelling by public transport or queuing at the supermarket or petrol station. An example is the woman who wanted to have the gardener do her garden as usual with no contact and he would collect his payment in a jam jar. The expert really struggled and failed to justify it but I can see how if people keep chipping away with exceptions then the whole point of staying home is lost.

I thought the most thought-provoking aspect of the new NHS Nightingale Hospital at the Excel Centre was the ample wharf facilities. Just perfect for a refrigerated vessel to be used as a floating morgue.

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24 Mar 2020 21:03 #1107 by Bluedazblue
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Urban Designer wrote: NY State is now virtually tied with Italy in rate of confirmed cases - both around 105 per 100k residents - even though NY state is less densely populated than Italy, and Italy has a 2 week head start on NY.

I wonder if Mexicans are now chanting to Trump - 'Build that Wall'!


I doubt it. The Mexicans seem to be doing very little to counter the Coronavirus.
www.mysanantonio.com/news/medical/articl...t-virus-15144786.php

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24 Mar 2020 21:31 #1108 by HuntingHorn
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Nobby I’m in the same boat.
I can continue my business without any customer contact, but as most places have shut I’m not getting any orders at all anyway.
I’m perplexed by the lack of any effort to reassure self employed since this started.
I’m even more worried by several other factors, Boris for example saying people have to claim on Business Interruption insurance, which would be great had 99% of insurers not slipped it in to the small print after the 2003 SARS outbreak that business interruption no longer covers anything caused by a virus outbreak.
I doubt he and The chancellor have any idea that only a tiny minority of lucky companies will be able to claim on that clause because anyone insured by a major provider is stuffed!

The £10,000 grant won’t arrive until late April at the earliest.
The 80% only applies to employees, anyone else paid by a company is stuffed.

It was very telling on the news earlier that the shadow business secretary was lumping the self employed in the same bracket as asylum seekers and immigrants.

Maybe we could claim back pay for an average HMRC wage for all the unpaid VAT collecting we’ve done on the governments behalf?
Listening to the radio too, it seems the hold up with self employed help is that they’re worried that rich self employed people will get help they don’t need....what about the other 4.99million of us then? We just go bust and starve do we?
Only if we shut the doors we can’t claim universal credit either, if you’ve voluntarily closed your business you’ve made yourself unemployed and therefore aren’t eligible, or if you live with someone else with a wage you’re also not eligible it seems.

Talk about being shit on.

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24 Mar 2020 22:50 #1109 by High Street
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It depends on how much they earn- for every £xx over the limit, they take xx pence of every pound you should get.
I’m new to all this- l was made redundant a few months ago and am just sitting tight on my pay out, l’m getting my mortgage paid on insurance, but had to register for Universal Credit to do so, l was trying to tell the lady l didnt want the payment, just to register, but thats not an option. I’ve been to meetings with them and having to fill in journals of applications and job searches. I think once they realise you’re not a [censored] trying to sponge,they go easy, as l’ve been taken off the weekly meetings.
It’s worth seeing them, as they really are helpful.
Im the end l didnt get the money, anyway, as my payment in lieu was way above the pay limit.

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24 Mar 2020 23:49 #1110 by Bluedazblue
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Various news outlets have reported that the death rate in Germany is much lower than the rates in Italy, Spain and the UK.

It has been pointed out correctly that Germany does more testing, so that skews the figures, but less reported is the fact that the cause of death is reported differently in Germany.

A person who has a heart attack in Italy who tests positive for Covid 19 and who dies, is recorded as Coronavirus death. In Germany it's recorded as death by infarction (heart attack).

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25 Mar 2020 00:20 #1111 by Urban Designer
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Every country using their own system - with a global crisis you need a global government so everyone is on the same page - maybe thats the plan for the conspiracy theorists!

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25 Mar 2020 01:47 #1112 by NORTHERNSOUL
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HuntingHorn wrote: Never mind Marts closing...reports today of Police going to disperse groups of people and being coughed at and spat on in response.
I've totally lost my faith in humanity.

I have a suspicion that people are engineering certain things and it wouldn't surprise me that was happening but...
The post earlier about introducing social control measures by making it public opinion to makes sense, but far be it from most reasonable minded individuals to care what they do to the kind of scrote who spits at a copper in the current situation.
I've long since thought that it's way too far the other way with our Police and with many aspects of public service. 'victims' have the full weight behind them in comparison to public servants, I was assaulted 3 times as a Nurse, one even broke my nose but I could barely do a thing about it as the guy that did it needed treatment and couldn't be refused. If I'd pursued him he'd have got a slap on the wrist at best and he'd still be allowed to attend the A&E department if he was ill.

At the moment, I'd be issuing rubber bullets to Police armed response and HazMat suits.
Give them the power to approach groups and ask them to disperse with a body cam on.
If they start with the spitting, coughing, or any other arsey response I'd allow one more warning and then let fly.
The Police in particular need the backing of the government to do their job.
They have virtually no PP items available besides rubber gloves at the moment.
Other countries allow them to use batons to get people to do what they need them to do, here they can't withdraw their baton without a mountain of paperwork and a full blown IPCC investigation at the end of which they probably lose their job.

I don't think we would lose from giving the Authorities more ability to enforce the law. Im not sure this needed to be engineered, most of the population want scrotes dealt with properly and decisively.

Hunting - all good points, but you have far more faith in the authorities than I do. Too much power in the hands of some of these muppets makes me really nervous.
Some of the police these days come across as frustrated hooligans (did you see the beating the Barnsley lad got next to the metrodome?) If it had not been on video he would get away with it. Even then they have tried to brush it under the carpet. And these are not isolated incidents.
The police are not answerable to anyone these days - who gave them the power to be offensive tweet hunters?
Exceptional times these, but I find it scary.


Clearly some people aren't watching Cops like us on BBC 2 and if you're so stupid as to think plod have the power or capacity to do anything pay attention to what the WPC with 20 years says when a guy and his house have been trashed and she knows the culprits are outside the shops less than 50 yards away but she knows what will happen to her if she approaches them and then she compares that with what would have happened 20 years ago when she first started.

And believe me, although the situation in Stoke does seem a lot worse than most places but that is a lot nearer the truth than when you see thousands of them in London to break up some demo or other for instance I know that in Accy there are 4 cops in two cars on each of 2 12 hour shifts to police an area of 30k people. And they currently have nearly 20% of their workforce off sick at the moment[ they are getting by because a lot who had holidays booked have been paid to cancel them and work instead ] What will happen when that figure reaches 40 or even 50% ?

And it won't be long before your friendly local criminals start to take advantage by ringing in a couple of virus issues on one side of town while they break into that shop they've been casing for the last couple of weeks.

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25 Mar 2020 02:04 #1113 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Urban Designer wrote: Germany have a higher number of confirmed cases because they are testing a lot more including the community.

UK infected are estimated to be 10-20 times of those confirmed.

New cases and deaths are decreasing in Northern Italy but increasing in the south.

In Southern Italy it will be worse as the healthcare system there is a lot worse than the north.


Only because there are less large cities with less large modern hospitals

The spread into Southern Italy just reflects the spread elsewhere in that as people are more informed and prepared and in Italy's case have been isolated there will be a spike for a couple of weeks [ from people who caught it before the isolation came in ] but then a very steady drop off ad reduction in numbers.

Here in Lancashire, we.re up to 73 cases which is pretty low considering the population and that people live on top of each other in terraced streets etc The problem here will come in that the small hospitals in places like Accy have effectively been mothballed and that Burley General is in the middle of a 10-year reorganisation with loads of wards scrapped and others closed while the whole hospital is reconfigured.

But at least they've finally got their fingers out with 4k beds at the excel but wouldn't it have been better if they'd requisition another ten areans and exhibition centres and announced 30k beds on the same day.

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25 Mar 2020 06:41 #1114 by Markovitch
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The number of people under 65 who have died in Italy without some form of pre existing condition is under 10.

The tories have renationalised the railways.

5g towers are springing up all over the shop

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25 Mar 2020 07:35 #1115 by Laffy
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It’s a fine balancing act as you know Marko-I read a report that suggests if we lose more than 7pc of GDP, more people will die as a consequence of that than the virus itself.

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25 Mar 2020 08:23 #1116 by Markovitch
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Not good is it, nobody wants to see old people die.

What would you do with Tim Martin?

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25 Mar 2020 08:56 #1117 by Laffy
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Personally, I would ban him from running any business for his behaviour.

Worth reading the Johnjames blog today-he is a pathological Rangers hater but he has been writing about Salmond and Sturgeon today.He is suggesting there is a DNR policy for over 70s in Scotland and then drifts into the Salmond/Sturgeon war that is about to kick off.Its appalling if there is any truth in it

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25 Mar 2020 09:29 #1118 by nobbyblue
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Imminent news about money for self employed says Martin Lewis. Not sure how they’re gan to work it out. Might be a flat rate for everybody.

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25 Mar 2020 09:39 #1119 by melbourneblues
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Yeah I’ve been watching intently on the self employment front, looks like a deal is imminent for us, peace of mind hopefully, hope you get sorted nobby.

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25 Mar 2020 09:54 #1120 by topstepwhinger
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Surely they can only base it on previous years tax returns, the problem there would be for those who have been self employed for less than a year. Oh and those cash in hand types who haven't been declaring their earnings - shame.
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25 Mar 2020 10:21 #1121 by Markovitch
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Employees trying to sign up last night were reporting DWP queues of between 35k and 120k people.

One woman was a doctor, has to submit a claim because she is married s her husband has a joint claim. Number 395718

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25 Mar 2020 10:35 #1122 by carwash
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HRH The Prince of Wales has coronavirus now. Get well soon!

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25 Mar 2020 10:47 #1123 by carwash
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Markovitch wrote: Report from Imperial College London’s COVID-19 Response Team. I think you have to register but its free once you do

ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/03/17/158443912...-report--in-detail-/


Neil Ferguson the mathematical modeller from Imperial who is advising the government is currently giving testimony to the Science and Technology Committee live on Sky News and the BBC Parliament channel. He is displaying the zero charisma and communication skills you would expect from a theoretical physicist. God it's hard to listen to him.

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25 Mar 2020 10:51 #1124 by topstepwhinger
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Surely most people will register with the HMRC as soon as they become self employed, although I understand they have until 5th October (I believe) the following tax year to do it.
Obviously people's circumstances may differ.

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25 Mar 2020 11:18 #1125 by nobbyblue
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Prince Charles has the virus. Hope he’s not been up the Palace lately.

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25 Mar 2020 11:23 #1126 by topstepwhinger
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is that a euphemism?

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25 Mar 2020 11:40 #1127 by nobbyblue
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It’s the Queen I was thinking about not Roy Houghton by the way.

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25 Mar 2020 11:43 #1128 by nobbyblue
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Bush putting 3 trillion into the economy. A trillion is a thousand billion. Mind blowing that.

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25 Mar 2020 11:43 #1129 by topstepwhinger
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Hodgson I presume, but I like your sentiment.
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25 Mar 2020 11:53 #1130 by thesilentone
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Markovitch wrote: Report from Imperial College London’s COVID-19 Response Team. I think you have to register but its free once you do

ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/03/17/158443912...-report--in-detail-/


Neil Ferguson the mathematical modeller from Imperial who is advising the government is currently giving testimony to the Science and Technology Committee live on Sky News and the BBC Parliament channel. He is displaying the zero charisma and communication skills you would expect from a theoretical physicist. God it's hard to listen to him.



The only part that was worth taking from it was, due to the increased capacity of the NHS, the infection rate modelling shows it should not get overrun.

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25 Mar 2020 13:17 #1131 by Flatcap
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Testing is key otherwise you are fighting blindfolded.

Inadequate testing results in flawed data.
For example where testing is widespread there are a lot of cases but the death rate per infection is significantly lower (e.g. South Korea, Taiwan and Germany.

There are still NHS workers who have never been tested. This should be at least a minimum of once a fortnight.
Next on the list should be workers in essential jobs.
Also anyone who wishes to be tested should be allowed to do so as is the case in South Korea.

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25 Mar 2020 13:19 #1132 by Markovitch
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I was tested in Ukraine and Georgia but not in the UK

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25 Mar 2020 13:38 #1133 by HuntingHorn
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topstepwhinger wrote: Surely they can only base it on previous years tax returns, the problem there would be for those who have been self employed for less than a year. Oh and those cash in hand types who haven't been declaring their earnings - shame.



I haven't much sympathy either.
I wrote an email yesterday to our MP which seems to have got through about the issue with Interruption insurance...

I'm certain they had no idea that a huge majority of policies had cover for virus removed after the 2003 SARS outbreak. I think they genuinely thought they wouldn't need to do anything quickly for Self Employed because we'd all just claim on that, I'm sure that was why they said about claiming at no penalty further down the line too.
In theory, if we had been able to claim I'd have had cover for all my outgoings, all my wages and I'd even have had cover for all my debts too so when this is all over and half the companies are gone or can't pay I would even have had that cash covered by my policy.
Love the small print, a seemingly meaningless clause in 4point that nobody would notice any change to....

This is an opportunity for the government to sort out the Insurance industry for good, but it's not exactly priority No.1 quite yet but once it all calms they need to pull the unscrupulous [censored] over the coal to be simply fair and cover what they say they cover, not hide behind small print.

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25 Mar 2020 13:59 #1134 by crunchblue
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Markovitch wrote: The number of people under 65 who have died in Italy without some form of pre existing condition is under 10.


Where did you get this from? I’ve looked and kind find that stat.

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25 Mar 2020 14:41 #1135 by melbourneblues
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topstepwhinger wrote: Surely they can only base it on previous years tax returns, the problem there would be for those who have been self employed for less than a year. Oh and those cash in hand types who haven't been declaring their earnings - shame.


Like you’ve never had a cash job done for you.

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25 Mar 2020 14:57 #1136 by Markovitch
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Look on reddit data is beautiful. They have released the numbers and there are a stack of graphs etc there.

We have a bunch of lads contracting for us. While we can get materials we can keep them working but it could run out in a week. Apparently the delivery lads are front line workers but with so many businesses closing they are expecting to be laid off. Just kids. Tragedy if they lose their income. I wouldn't trust a coupe of them to be smart enough to fill out forms and claim income support. HMRC has every ones income and bank details, why not just pay straight into the bank. Treat it as taxable income and sort it out when everyone has food

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25 Mar 2020 15:01 #1137 by topstepwhinger
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topstepwhinger wrote: Surely they can only base it on previous years tax returns, the problem there would be for those who have been self employed for less than a year. Oh and those cash in hand types who haven't been declaring their earnings - shame.


Like you’ve never had a cash job done for you.


You are correct, I haven't.
Also I have been self employed for almost 10 years now after being made redundant and have never accepted a cash payment even though I have been offered many.
Call me mother Teresa if you like, but it's a fact.

What is probably also a fact is that those who do not declare all their earnings are probably the first to complain about the lack of bobbys on the beat, the state of the NHS, the number of potholes etc etc.
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25 Mar 2020 15:10 #1138 by nobbyblue
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I think Melbournes is afraid someone might look too closely at his tax returns! :-D
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25 Mar 2020 15:11 #1139 by thesilentone
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topstepwhinger wrote:

melbourneblues wrote:

topstepwhinger wrote: Surely they can only base it on previous years tax returns, the problem there would be for those who have been self employed for less than a year. Oh and those cash in hand types who haven't been declaring their earnings - shame.


Like you’ve never had a cash job done for you.


You are correct, I haven't.
Also I have been self employed for almost 10 years now after being made redundant and have never accepted a cash payment even though I have been offered many.
Call me mother Teresa if you like, but it's a fact.

What is probably also a fact is that those who do not declare all their earnings are probably the first to complain about the lack of bobbys on the beat, the state of the NHS, the number of potholes etc etc.


Like the Chinese takeaways that accept cash only..........
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25 Mar 2020 15:15 #1140 by Alan
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thesilentone wrote:

topstepwhinger wrote:

melbourneblues wrote:

topstepwhinger wrote: Surely they can only base it on previous years tax returns, the problem there would be for those who have been self employed for less than a year. Oh and those cash in hand types who haven't been declaring their earnings - shame.


Like you’ve never had a cash job done for you.


You are correct, I haven't.
Also I have been self employed for almost 10 years now after being made redundant and have never accepted a cash payment even though I have been offered many.
Call me mother Teresa if you like, but it's a fact.

What is probably also a fact is that those who do not declare all their earnings are probably the first to complain about the lack of bobbys on the beat, the state of the NHS, the number of potholes etc etc.


Like the Chinese takeaways that accept cash only..........


Open till time in the Barbers as well.

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25 Mar 2020 15:16 #1141 by yoonited
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A 21 year old woman from High Wycombe with absolutely no underlying health issues has died of the virus.

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1260123/Chloe-...eo-COVID-19-symptoms

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25 Mar 2020 15:20 #1142 by Wukkie
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nobbyblue wrote: What’s the latest for the self employed. I’ve no work and the money I’m already owed will be hard to get in in the present climate.

The works going to be sparse for the foreseeable. What are you meant to live off?


According to someone further up the thread your savings whilst others who don't have the bills of running their own business pocket £550 p.w.

It's a joke.

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25 Mar 2020 15:28 #1143 by orfc
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carwash wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Report from Imperial College London’s COVID-19 Response Team. I think you have to register but its free once you do

ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/03/17/158443912...-report--in-detail-/


Neil Ferguson the mathematical modeller from Imperial who is advising the government is currently giving testimony to the Science and Technology Committee live on Sky News and the BBC Parliament channel. He is displaying the zero charisma and communication skills you would expect from a theoretical physicist. God it's hard to listen to him.


I dunno, most of the theoretical physicists you hear about are charismatic - they have to be to get their subject over.

Einstein
Stephen hawking (rip)
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Jim Al-Khalili
Even Brian ... speaks.... incredibly.... slowly.... to.... pad.... it.... out... Cox

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25 Mar 2020 15:30 #1144 by nobbyblue
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The fella that runs the garage I go to won’t be too happy with the six month extension on MOTs! :-D
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25 Mar 2020 15:32 #1145 by Wukkie
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There was an expert on radio scotland on monday afternoon saying that if anyone hasn't applied for anything yet to wait until summat is announced.
The likelihood is that if you haven't paid enough stamp you'll be on universal credit but if you have it will be employment support allowance.

I signed up last week and got put straight on UC even though I've been paying my stamp for eight years so if out changes I'll be contacting to them to make the changes especially if it's more coin.

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25 Mar 2020 15:37 #1146 by CCU
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nobbyblue wrote: The fella that runs the garage I go to won’t be too happy with the six month extension on MOTs! :-D


You can still take them if it’s safe to do so...

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25 Mar 2020 15:41 #1147 by nobbyblue
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Why would you?

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25 Mar 2020 15:47 #1148 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Markovitch wrote: The number of people under 65 who have died in Italy without some form of pre existing condition is under 10.

The tories have renationalised the railways.

5g towers are springing up all over the shop


Yes I heard that yesterday but not sure how valid it is as there's news of doctors and nurses dieing who were presumably under 65 without pre-existing conditions but maybe it seems they are excluded

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25 Mar 2020 15:56 #1149 by Bluedazblue
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On The World At One programme on BBC Radio 4 an academic from Bristol University said that if the economy tanks by more than 6%, which it almost certainly will, more people will die as a consequence of that than if the Coronavirus was left to run its natural course.

I only heard part of the interview, but that was the thrust of his argument.

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25 Mar 2020 16:01 #1150 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Markovitch wrote: Not good is it, nobody wants to see old people die.

What would you do with Tim Martin?


Give him a bloody medal that's what

Do the maths they have 40k employees where exactly is he going to get the money to pay them for a month/six weeks or more?

All he.s saying is Wetherspoons can't afford to pay you the 80% till the Govt stump up. As I understand it he's happy to pay their 20% if they ask to be farouged but if they can't afford to do that they can just leave [ and he's all but guaranteed them their jobs back]

And go and find another temporary job that will pay immediate cash it might seem harsh but if that's the best way they have of keeping the money coming in that's what they need to do.

What's best for the country ? have those 40k jobs still there when this is over or let Spoons go to the wall just because a few greedy shits wouldn't take a hit like some of the rest of us are having to.

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