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22 Mar 2020 22:44 #1001 by Yorkie Blue
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Markovitch wrote: Corbyn wants to invite over a team of Chinese doctors to advise our guys seeing as how they have dealt with it and got over the hump. Boris has refused


Would any sane person or government trust the Chinese now.

Stay safe, stay healthy all.

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22 Mar 2020 23:26 #1002 by topstepwhinger
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Laffy wrote: I never cease to be surprised by some people-uneducated, stupid and a disgrace to the human race.I would be driving round with water cannon and flooding the pubs.

Wee nippy got it right this afternoon.We are on step away from martial law and pubs are staying open-crazy


We live in a free democratic country, for which we should all be truly thankful - where we are given the facts, kept in the picture and are expected to use our intelligence to make informed decisions and 'to do the right thing for the good of us all'.
Unfortunately we have sections of our community who just can't see past their own selfish noses, and as you say the government are going to lose their patience and make tougher and tougher decisions which are going to affect us all. I would love to see how these people would get on flouting these recommendations in China or North Korea for instance.

Regarding Nicola Sturgeon, I do not agree with some of her policies and her fight for independence in particular, but I think she always comes over well when public speaking. Very rarely does she falter, whether the particular situation demands decisiveness or empathy.

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22 Mar 2020 23:33 #1003 by Taffy-P
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It looks like Macron told Boris on Friday to close pubs, restaurants etc If he didn’t France was going to close the border with the U.K. The Dutch were going to follow the French
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22 Mar 2020 23:36 #1004 by topstepwhinger
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Taffy-P wrote: It looks like Macron told Boris on Friday to close pubs, restaurants etc If he didn’t France was going to close the border with the U.K. The Dutch were going to follow the French


The likes of you constantly bringing politics into what should be a non political subject is getting extremely tedious. Just saying.

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22 Mar 2020 23:49 #1005 by Taffy-P
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This is very political as the decisions made will cost lives

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22 Mar 2020 23:52 #1006 by Flatcap
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Or save them.

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23 Mar 2020 00:23 #1007 by Chilledsilly
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Forget about politics.... it's being said that the French warned the uk if they didn't close pubs etc they were going to close the border ..
Being told to do the right thing is scandalous!
They need to wake up and get on ,with enforcing people to comply not with advice but demands !!

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23 Mar 2020 07:43 #1008 by Flatcap
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As regarding politics.

I know that both us and the Americans are under severe pressure in this crisis, that you have to look after your own first and that all the resources we can muster are urgently needed at home , rather than helping others out.
But it is noticeable that Italy is receiving help from Russia and China and that it is more likely for them to make friends with those that help them.

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23 Mar 2020 08:02 #1009 by Dancingbear
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Yorkie Blue wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Corbyn wants to invite over a team of Chinese doctors to advise our guys seeing as how they have dealt with it and got over the hump. Boris has refused


Would any sane person or government trust the Chinese now.


Apparently us with our 5g network.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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23 Mar 2020 08:26 #1010 by nobbyblue
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If the Chinese had acted a bit earlier 95% of this would have been avoidable.
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23 Mar 2020 09:38 #1011 by Markovitch
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5500 total deaths in Italy. A very high proportion of those are in their 80s and 90s or have serious illness conditions such as cancer or chronic diabetes.
How many of those would have died from something else anyway? 50000 people a year die in Italy because of obesity alone. A 15% decline in new cases of coronavirus in Italy. How many deaths are now being caused by the old panicking or getting stressed out that they have to live alone for 4 months. What is happening to the suicide rate?

Pneumonia last year killed 800k children alone. Didn't see any flights cancelled for that.

It's the bloody flu. If they hadn't said anything we would all have had a day off work and life would continue as normal
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23 Mar 2020 10:05 #1012 by nobbyblue
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Markovitch wrote: 5500 total deaths in Italy. A very high proportion of those are in their 80s and 90s or have serious illness conditions such as cancer or chronic diabetes.
How many of those would have died from something else anyway? 50000 people a year die in Italy because of obesity alone. A 15% decline in new cases of coronavirus in Italy. How many deaths are now being caused by the old panicking or getting stressed out that they have to live alone for 4 months. What is happening to the suicide rate?

Pneumonia last year killed 800k children alone. Didn't see any flights cancelled for that.

It's the bloody flu. If they hadn't said anything we would all have had a day off work and life would continue as normal


I think somebody would have noticed hospital wards full of people on ventilators!
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23 Mar 2020 10:10 #1013 by nobbyblue
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One thing I have to say is this social distancing is stressing me out!

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23 Mar 2020 10:17 #1014 by Markovitch
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South Korea, that has the most effective testing regime in the world, has a 0.6% fatality rate. If you had a tough case of the flu what would you normally do? Get yourself a vodka and lemsip and go sleep it off. The only reason that hundreds of people are spilling out the hospital doors is because the Daily Mail has told them they are going to die. 99.6% of the population has got the bloody flu.

Same as Novichok. The most deadly poison in the world, Putin killing people on the streets of Britain. Remember Johnson? I looked the man from Porton Down in the eye, and he told me, it came from Russia. Man from Porton Down, we have no idea where it came from! 3 people got the bloody flu.

Its just a bloody game. What outrageous bullshit can we yank their chains with next.
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23 Mar 2020 10:34 #1015 by loser
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Markovitch wrote: 5500 total deaths in Italy. A very high proportion of those are in their 80s and 90s or have serious illness conditions such as cancer or chronic diabetes.
How many of those would have died from something else anyway? 50000 people a year die in Italy because of obesity alone. A 15% decline in new cases of coronavirus in Italy. How many deaths are now being caused by the old panicking or getting stressed out that they have to live alone for 4 months. What is happening to the suicide rate?

Pneumonia last year killed 800k children alone. Didn't see any flights cancelled for that.

It's the bloody flu. If they hadn't said anything we would all have had a day off work and life would continue as normal


Aye, we're just shutting down the country and utterly tanking the economy for the crack. Mong.

Pneumonia isn't contagious. Just the fact that you used that as an example shows you're thick as [censored].

Try telling Italy it's "just the flu" when their doctors are literally having to pick who gets a ventilator and who doesn't (ie who gets a chance to live and who dies) based on their chance of survival, when under normal circumstances anyone gets a ventilator who needs one.
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23 Mar 2020 10:35 #1016 by Arragorn
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Do you actually have any brain cells or is it 100% sawdust?
Coronavirus is NOT the flu...or are you so deluded that you believe everyone is wrong but you?
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23 Mar 2020 10:44 #1017 by Markovitch
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How many people have died who wouldn't otherwise have died? That is the key statistic, and they are not releasing it here, unlike in other countries

See if you are going to insult me try not to be hopelessly wrong

Pneumonia is swelling (inflammation) of the tissue in one or both lungs. It's usually caused by an infection, most commonly bacteria and viruses, which are both contagious.
www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/infec...neumonia-contagious/

Stupidity isn't contagious thank God

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23 Mar 2020 11:07 #1018 by yoonited
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The crisis has now descended into catastrophe.....

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23 Mar 2020 11:12 #1019 by loser
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I'll let you have some of that one, but you can't use contagious as a blanket term to describe pneumonia. Viruses/bacteria which can cause pneumonia are contagious. Pneumonia is a complication that not everyone exposed to the same virus/bacteria develops.

I've been hospitalised with severe pneumonia before. Not quarantined because I wasn't contagious. Induced coma in ICU for three days while I was intubated and put on a ventilator, followed by another seven days on the ward after that. Didn't pass it on to anyone even though I'd been walking around with it and having close contact before it got really bad. Didn't pass it on to friends and family who came to visit and who didn't have to wear any PPE even when I was lying in ICU after I woke up. I know who I picked up the virus from and they didn't develop pneumonia from it, nor did anyone else that I know.

Regardless, CoVID-19 is a highly contagious virus that, as far as we know, anyone exposed to it will get and carry. Granted, some people won't develop symptoms, but they'll still have it and will still spread it to people who will go on to develop symptoms.

A lot of people are catching this, 1 in 5 are genuinely required hospital treatment and, as we're seeing in other countries, it is stretching healthcare systems to breaking point. That stretching of the healthcare systems is resulting in deaths because they can no longer give 100% of patients the required treatment. Comparing it to pneumonia alone is utterly simple-minded.

Keep trying, though. You're the one who is making yourself look stupid to everyone else.
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23 Mar 2020 11:19 #1020 by yoonited
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Marko is quite correct, after all, we survived the Great Kentucky Fried Chicken Famine of 2018 and Coronavirus has nowt on that. Some people need to get a grip, eh Marko.
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23 Mar 2020 11:29 #1021 by thesilentone
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Let's be clear this is NOT the flu !!!

Those in denial can hide behind this statement all they like, but it is fake news.

Could you put up the link that states we have refused aid and help from China Marko ?

Seems other's are a bit sceptical also:

"Experts say that, while these humanitarian efforts are real, they have political ends that deserve attention. In a phone call with the Italian prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, this week, Xi said he hoped to establish a “health silk road” as part of China’s global One belt, One Road initiative, which has come under criticism from countries wary of expanding Chinese leverage and influence.

“There is nothing wrong with China helping European and other countries, especially now that it has gained the upper hand in containing the coronavirus at home. But it is also clear that [Beijing] sees its aid as a propaganda tool,” said Noah Barkin, senior visiting fellow at the German Marshall Fund.

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23 Mar 2020 11:44 #1022 by yoonited
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A second wave of infections is now hitting Hong Kong, cases have doubled there in the last week although it had been contained.

edition.cnn.com/2020/03/23/asia/hong-kon...-intl-hnk/index.html

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23 Mar 2020 11:59 #1023 by Dentonholmersimpson
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Markovitch wrote: How many people have died who wouldn't otherwise have died? That is the key statistic, and they are not releasing it here, unlike in other countries

See if you are going to insult me try not to be hopelessly wrong

Pneumonia is swelling (inflammation) of the tissue in one or both lungs. It's usually caused by an infection, most commonly bacteria and viruses, which are both contagious.
www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/infec...neumonia-contagious/

Stupidity isn't contagious thank God


Just as well, my bet is you would be a super spreader.
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23 Mar 2020 12:05 - 23 Mar 2020 14:10 #1024 by seesaw50
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Markovitch wrote: 5500 total deaths in Italy. A very high proportion of those are in their 80s and 90s or have serious illness conditions such as cancer or chronic diabetes.
How many of those would have died from something else anyway? 50000 people a year die in Italy because of obesity alone. A 15% decline in new cases of coronavirus in Italy. How many deaths are now being caused by the old panicking or getting stressed out that they have to live alone for 4 months. What is happening to the suicide rate?

Pneumonia last year killed 800k children alone. Didn't see any flights cancelled for that.

It's the bloody flu. If they hadn't said anything we would all have had a day off work and life would continue as normal



You absolute ostrich

IT IS NOT THE BLOODY FLU

Never heard of factories being told to divert to producing ventolators for seasonal flu

IF you contract it and it escalates to the lungs....you may NEED a ventilator and/or die a nasty death

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is to have won the lottery of life !

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23 Mar 2020 12:20 #1025 by Markovitch
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So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 220,000 illnesses and more than 9,300 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 36 million illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

120000 Britains dead from austerity, 500k children a year dying from diarrhoea but the country shuts down for this? Really

No one yet been able to say how many additional deaths it has caused. Offset by the increase in suicides and other deaths due to stress, lack of money etc Complete waste of time

Aye right
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23 Mar 2020 12:20 #1026 by ParcelPete
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yoonited wrote: The crisis has now descended into catastrophe.....


I think the pencil museum have been easily led.
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23 Mar 2020 12:32 #1027 by yoonited
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ParcelPete wrote: I think the pencil museum have been easily led.


You need to sharpen your gags, that one was pointless.
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23 Mar 2020 12:35 #1028 by seesaw50
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But they had to draw attention to it

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23 Mar 2020 12:36 #1029 by Moylesey
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Good point, well made.

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23 Mar 2020 12:41 #1030 by thesilentone
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Markovitch wrote: So far, the new coronavirus has led to more than 220,000 illnesses and more than 9,300 deaths worldwide. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 36 million illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

120000 Britains dead from austerity, 500k children a year dying from diarrhoea but the country shuts down for this? Really

No one yet been able to say how many additional deaths it has caused. Offset by the increase in suicides and other deaths due to stress, lack of money etc Complete waste of time

Aye right



There are only a few left wing loonies and you who think 120,000 died due to Austerity. The idiot left wing doctor/scientist even used the words ' may have ' in his one sided report.

You appear to get-off in trying to play down the severity of our situation, what don't you get ?

Also, where is the link that states ' Boris refused help from China ' ?????????????????????

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23 Mar 2020 12:44 #1031 by thetashkentterror
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The trio of people at the daily press conference obviously needs to be the outstanding politicians and esteemed Nobel Prize winning medical scientists that are Barry, Markovitch and Urban Designer.

It's clear to see that if they had been in charge of our Coronavirus policy then it would all be over and done with, an immunity found, a vaccine found, hardly any confirmed cases, no deaths and everyone sat in the pub drinking cocktails by now.
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23 Mar 2020 13:31 #1032 by Markovitch
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A few left wing loonies? You mean Cambridge University and the UN. Whereas the Nobel Prize winning geniuses on here whine that they can't get mental health appointments or their kids have serious medical conditions while voting for a Government that has overseen the largest cuts in the NHS (as a % of GDP) since it's inception. Aye, I think I'll stick with the loonies and leave the intelligentsia to wait 9 months for an operation.

My daughter is back at school on Thursday, there will be 4 in her class. What happens to those kids who don't go? In 5 years when this is forgotten, and they've got Cs at highers and others, a year older or younger, have got As? Lost opportunities. Not going to happen to us but you carry on, be my guest. What do I know?

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23 Mar 2020 13:35 #1033 by Burneside Blue
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yoonited wrote: The crisis has now descended into catastrophe.....


2B or not 2B,that is the question...
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nobbyblue wrote: One thing I have to say is this social distancing is stressing me out!


Just don’t let anybody in the front alongside you nobby and you’ll be alright.

Mullen is a virgin.
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23 Mar 2020 13:58 #1035 by thesilentone
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Markovitch wrote: A few left wing loonies? You mean Cambridge University and the UN. Whereas the Nobel Prize winning geniuses on here whine that they can't get mental health appointments or their kids have serious medical conditions while voting for a Government that has overseen the largest cuts in the NHS (as a % of GDP) since it's inception. Aye, I think I'll stick with the loonies and leave the intelligentsia to wait 9 months for an operation.

My daughter is back at school on Thursday, there will be 4 in her class. What happens to those kids who don't go? In 5 years when this is forgotten, and they've got Cs at highers and others, a year older or younger, have got As? Lost opportunities. Not going to happen to us but you carry on, be my guest. What do I know?




More false news from the purveyor of doom, just like Boris refusing China's help.




Is austerity to blame?

As FactCheck and Full Fact have reported before, this study’s findings should be handled with care.

The researchers concluded: “we have found that spending constraints since 2010 especially [public expenditure on social care] may have produced a substantial mortality gap in England.”

But other scientists have raised doubts.

Professor Martin Roland, who specialises in health services research at the University of Cambridge, responded to the paper at the time.

He pointed out that while something seems to have happened in 2014 that caused deaths in the UK to rise, “the link to health and social care spending is speculative as observational studies of this type can never prove case and effect.”

Dr Richard Fordham, senior lecturer in health economics at the University of East Anglia, was also cautious about such “longitudinal studies,” noting that “different time periods are rarely identical.” So it may not be fair to compare trends from one decade (the 2000s) with another (the early 2010s), as this study has done.

Indeed, he says the paper’s suggestion that extra deaths were linked to falling nurse numbers is “a plausible hypothesis,” but “other explanations are available.”

He suggests some alternatives: “Patient cohorts may have changed (for example more end-stage, longer-term illnesses); patients may have succumbed to different or new diseases (e.g. MRSA, cirrhosis, etc.); or had greater multiple morbidities (asthma plus diabetes plus cancer, etc.) than similar cohorts of the same age before them.”

Professor Roland concludes that the study’s authors “overstate the certainty of [the] link” between excess deaths and cuts to government funding.”

In other words, the paper does not prove that austerity caused the 120,000 “excess deaths” that the authors estimate may have occurred between 2010 and 2017 (based on three years’ worth of data).

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23 Mar 2020 14:02 #1036 by orfc
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Marko, school exam grades get used to get into university / training schemes so you're pretty much only competing with the others in your year group, not other year groups

If at 25 you're still using your C in Woodwork as your CV's crown jewel - you've [censored] up :-)


Hopefully once China pays reparations for what they've unleashed we'll be all square, but I suspect the government's 'generosity' is going to have to be paid for by us as well. Expect no NHS as we know it and higher taxes on the other side folks :-)

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23 Mar 2020 14:30 #1037 by yoonited
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Can we all keep two posts apart from now on please.
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23 Mar 2020 15:07 #1038 by spaffhead
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Markovitch - I've lost track of who you are trying to convince with your posts, if it was even anyone in the first place?

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23 Mar 2020 16:34 #1040 by Urban Designer
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thetashkentterror wrote: The trio of people at the daily press conference obviously needs to be the outstanding politicians and esteemed Nobel Prize winning medical scientists that are Barry, Markovitch and Urban Designer.

It's clear to see that if they had been in charge of our Coronavirus policy then it would all be over and done with, an immunity found, a vaccine found, hardly any confirmed cases, no deaths and everyone sat in the pub drinking cocktails by now.


I challenge you to pull up any of my posts on this subject. There will be no vaccine for at least 18 months and if they had gone for herd immunity I gave an optimoistic death rate of around 400,000 - 800,000. This was on the assumption that everyone that required treatment would have been. The death rate will rise once beds are full. Many already are in London.

The Governement then did a youturn because the people that are requiring hoispital treatment are getting younger and younger.

It needed A Wartime footing weeks ago - too little too late now.

Carlisle is Already a hotspot per head of population - NHS staff falling ill are having to go to Lancaster to get tested and will still not get results for 3 days. This will have spread more due to all the idiots going out on Friday thinking it was a [censored] bank holiday!

Wait and see - its the idiots with their heads in the sand who panic when the shit hits the fan!.

'When evryone has forgotten this in 5 years' and 'its just a game' - no one will ever forget the next few months for the rest of their lives!

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23 Mar 2020 17:18 #1041 by NORTHERNSOUL
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thetashkentterror wrote: The trio of people at the daily press conference obviously needs to be the outstanding politicians and esteemed Nobel Prize winning medical scientists that are Barry, Markovitch and Urban Designer.

It's clear to see that if they had been in charge of our Coronavirus policy then it would all be over and done with, an immunity found, a vaccine found, hardly any confirmed cases, no deaths and everyone sat in the pub drinking cocktails by now.


Well, how many hotels has Boris turned into Hospitals in the last month ?

Not a single [censored] one that's how many. So when the hospitals are full will you blame him then ?

Spain converted 10 hotels in Madrid into hospital rooms and created a thousand-bed hospital in a convention centre all in two days.

If Cummings hadn't listed to them stuck up academic arseholes in London and used whatever it is he has over Boris we.d have it under control by now.

And it's about time somebody chinned that Hancock [censored] every time he opens his mouth he lies Last week he said there was a 40 footer on its way to every hospital with everything they needed So what happened a Luton box van turned up with masks 10 years out of date and here's the best bit it was to be split between 3 other hospitals. Why haven't the troops been put to work? and I don't mean to chase people off Scarborough beach.

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23 Mar 2020 17:29 #1042 by NORTHERNSOUL
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thetashkentterror wrote: The trio of people at the daily press conference obviously needs to be the outstanding politicians and esteemed Nobel Prize winning medical scientists that are Barry, Markovitch and Urban Designer.

It's clear to see that if they had been in charge of our Coronavirus policy then it would all be over and done with, and immunity found, a vaccine found, hardly any confirmed cases, no deaths and everyone sat in the pub drinking cocktails by now.


No, it wouldn't be over and no a vaccine wouldn't have been found but I know they've [censored] up big style and have totally trashed the economy for years to come when they didn't need to and yes using herd immunity there would be millions of cases but 98.85% would be over it in 5 days and yes there would be deaths but the majority of the people would have died anyway within a couple of years And no we wouldn't be drinking cocktails just yet but I .ll bet we could have been by the end of September.

But the bedwetters have won but if they think i.m joining in with their social distancing and self-isolation crap they've got another thing coming

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23 Mar 2020 17:30 #1043 by BelleVueBoy
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Factoid - made pencils in the war with maps hidden inside.

www.craftbusiness.com/news/view/derwent-...orld-war-two-pencils

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23 Mar 2020 17:35 #1044 by Laffy
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I sure am glad I don’t have a stake in a football club.

Seriously, nobody knows on here what the Cobra lot are being told-it’s all hearsay and rumour.Either you believe the CMO and his tacticians or you don’t.

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23 Mar 2020 17:41 #1045 by CCU
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Interesting figures now compared with Italy, next few days be interesting:


Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

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23 Mar 2020 18:07 #1046 by Urban Designer
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Boris to address Nation at 8.30pm - This is our JF Kenndedy moment!

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23 Mar 2020 18:16 #1047 by Happyblue
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Italy's death daily death toll looks to be be starting to fall , hopefully not a false dawn , if so it's proves the lock down is working , the lock down needs to go into place by Wednesday, then hopefully we can start to reduce measures by May , It's won't be the end but it's will be a start to resume back to normal life .

Owners like the stadium, full of Sh!T

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23 Mar 2020 18:19 #1048 by Dancingbear
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Urban Designer wrote: Boris to address Nation at 8.30pm - This is our JF Kenndedy moment!


You meant to say JF Ken Dodd moment didn’t you ;)

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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23 Mar 2020 18:36 #1049 by yoonited
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WARNING......If you receive an email titled 'DingDong' DO NOT OPEN IT!! Those crafty Jehovah's Witness [censored] are working from home.

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23 Mar 2020 18:47 #1050 by Urban Designer
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It wont be the end, nor the beginning of the end.

We are not even at the end of the beginning.

With a global crisis like this every country needs to be on the same page at the same time.

Italy figures are improving and will continue to improve but only if they extend lockdown to 6 weeks.

Even if they get to no new cases within Italy, like China it will then come back to the country - more than likely from the UK.

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