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21 Feb 2020 05:09 #451 by munchymagic
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munchymagic wrote: They always tell you that there is no money Kes, especially when there are shareholders to appease.

I actually didn't think that we were on too bad a deal to be honest, the money wasn't too bad and after doing really long hours I appreciated doing eight hour shifts that were mainly on days so I didn't have any reason to rock the boat.

Some people always want more though - for example you are already looking at reasons for them giving you more money in a job that you were not in, surely you can see that your employers would see you as a pain in the arse once you started telling them how to spend their profits, especially when you want them to spend it on you?


But is it morally right for them to tell you there is no money even when there clearly is? I think always wanting more is human nature, it's what capitalism is built on. But it feels like there is a double standard about the pursuit of more money. The average employee is a pain in the arse for wanting more, but the shareholder (who is making much much more already) is ok to lie to staff about a lack of money just so he can have more of it to himself. If that situation was reversed, and employees were lying about the takings for the day so they could pocket a bit of extra money for themselves, it would be considered theft.


Haha - you have got to be on the wind-up :)

Some staff are on more than others - just like in football.

To be honest £500 quid a year doesn't sound like much but it meant more than the money to me as the gesture made me feel wanted, valued and a bit more secure in my job.

More importantly though Kes just find yourself a job that you will be happy in.

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21 Feb 2020 06:04 #452 by Kessler
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munchymagic wrote: They always tell you that there is no money Kes, especially when there are shareholders to appease.

I actually didn't think that we were on too bad a deal to be honest, the money wasn't too bad and after doing really long hours I appreciated doing eight hour shifts that were mainly on days so I didn't have any reason to rock the boat.

Some people always want more though - for example you are already looking at reasons for them giving you more money in a job that you were not in, surely you can see that your employers would see you as a pain in the arse once you started telling them how to spend their profits, especially when you want them to spend it on you?


But is it morally right for them to tell you there is no money even when there clearly is? I think always wanting more is human nature, it's what capitalism is built on. But it feels like there is a double standard about the pursuit of more money. The average employee is a pain in the arse for wanting more, but the shareholder (who is making much much more already) is ok to lie to staff about a lack of money just so he can have more of it to himself. If that situation was reversed, and employees were lying about the takings for the day so they could pocket a bit of extra money for themselves, it would be considered theft.


Haha - you have got to be on the wind-up :)

Some staff are on more than others - just like in football.

To be honest £500 quid a year doesn't sound like much but it meant more than the money to me as the gesture made me feel wanted, valued and a bit more secure in my job.

More importantly though Kes just find yourself a job that you will be happy in.


Wise words that last part

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24 Feb 2020 20:59 #453 by Laffy
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One for you Kes-and all you labourites

‘I hate the Tories’ is not a vote-winner for Labour

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-hate-the-to...for-labour-8lfztdc99

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24 Feb 2020 21:13 #454 by Dancingbear
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Unsurprisingly I’m not a times subscriber ;)

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24 Feb 2020 21:15 #455 by Dancingbear
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BTW Laffy did you notice the new conservative MP for Workington is in talks to reopen Silloth railway station? Surely that’s a far bigger folly than the stadium that he was vehemently opposed to?

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25 Feb 2020 14:40 #456 by Markovitch
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25 Feb 2020 15:50 #457 by Yorkie Blue
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Maybe the MP for Upper Ramsbottom.

Stay safe, stay healthy all.
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03 Apr 2020 01:11 #458 by howoldboy
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Arron Banks.

Seems a bit ironic that he is trying to use EU law to avoid paying UK tax bill.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/02/...ying-162000-tax-bill

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04 Apr 2020 11:16 #459 by thesilentone
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So, Starmer is head new boy of the Cult, with the Scouse Firebrand Rayner as deputy.

So, it was left, then left again.

To be honest, he has the easiest Job in the Labour Party for years, not exactly following a roaring success is he ?

Let's see if he can stop the in-fighting as the nearest comparison the Labour Party has to Unison is the SNP.

Politics just get's more interesting.

There won't be a Labour member on this planet who mourns the end of Corbyn's reign, except McClunky and Owen whatever they call him.

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04 Apr 2020 11:40 #460 by Markovitch
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A bunch of very rich people control the media and feed the populace a long stream of stories about how the problems of the country are due to the EU, Muslims or whoever while they systematically take the resources of the country, move them offshore and strengthen the legal system that allows them to do that. They buy and sell politicians as part as the process. Which is why we have a mistress beating, fridge hiding idiot in charge of us now.

The Labour Party will now seek corporate sponsorship, so we will get the situation they have in the US. Where there is the illusion of democracy but on all major issues the 2 main parties agree and key debates are around such peripheral issues as whether transexuals should serve in the army.

We have seen in the last 10 years the performance of all areas of public service decline. Despite that the populace turned out en masse to vote for Johnson which shows how easy it is to construct a believable illusion. That process of societal decline will continue until we have thousands without running water, literacy, access to medical services etc as they have in the US. That of course will be better than having an anti-Semite, terrorist supporter or whatever falsehood has been woven. Welcome to the future
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04 Apr 2020 12:11 #461 by Laffy
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Well Starmer has pledged to work with the government on the crisis-unlike his predecessor who pledged the opposite earlier this week.So he gets my vote for being sensible and less tribal

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04 Apr 2020 12:38 #462 by High Street
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Front bench: Sir Keir Starmer with Lady Nugee sitting next to him.
Part of the workers.

Angela Rayner (Northern, single mother TM) Jesus. Makes Abott look like a maths professor.

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04 Apr 2020 12:45 #463 by Markovitch
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Diane Abbott gets pilloried for making a maths error on TV. Theresa may loses 114 files on tory pedophiles and gets made prime minister. Anyone not believe that our propaganda is as strong as North Korea? Image if that had been Corbyn?

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04 Apr 2020 12:45 #464 by thesilentone
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Markovitch wrote: A bunch of very rich people control the media and feed the populace a long stream of stories about how the problems of the country are due to the EU, Muslims or whoever while they systematically take the resources of the country, move them offshore and strengthen the legal system that allows them to do that. They buy and sell politicians as part as the process. Which is why we have a mistress beating, fridge hiding idiot in charge of us now.

The Labour Party will now seek corporate sponsorship, so we will get the situation they have in the US. Where there is the illusion of democracy but on all major issues the 2 main parties agree and key debates are around such peripheral issues as whether transexuals should serve in the army.

We have seen in the last 10 years the performance of all areas of public service decline. Despite that the populace turned out en masse to vote for Johnson which shows how easy it is to construct a believable illusion. That process of societal decline will continue until we have thousands without running water, literacy, access to medical services etc as they have in the US. That of course will be better than having an anti-Semite, terrorist supporter or whatever falsehood has been woven. Welcome to the future



Well we might as well get on our bikes and ride around with our gobs open, hoping for a swift end to it all after reading that.

However, you do show the symptoms of Cult behavior, and thankfully we can write you're ramblings off and misguided obsession.

I suppose those who knocked the Red Wall down, trampled all over it and broke ranks for the first time in their lives didn't want to be in you're Cult, so whats next ? Free Beer at Stonehenge on the 21st of June ?? Or a coming together of the Clans....Freedom !!!!!

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04 Apr 2020 13:08 #465 by yoonited
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04 Apr 2020 13:13 - 04 Apr 2020 13:17 #466 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: Well Starmer has pledged to work with the government on the crisis-unlike his predecessor who pledged the opposite earlier this week.So he gets my vote for being sensible and less tribal


Well, I think we.ll get a very early indication of the direction things will go in is the jobs that will be offered/not offered to Lisa Nandy who did as well as she could have given KS landslide and Bailey and who must be gutted to have only got the votes that she did.

If Starmer really does want to sort it now he.s elected and secure he should make a start on getting rid of arse holes like Lammy who clearly only supported who they knew was going to be the winner for their own purposes.

And much as I agree with a lot of the stuff she campaigns on and how she goes about it I can't see that Angela Raynor would have been Starmer's first choice as his deputy but then again at least shes not that [censored] from Leeds who makes me puke every time I see him or his bum chum Ashworth.
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04 Apr 2020 13:19 - 04 Apr 2020 19:00 #467 by howoldboy
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NS "that [censored] from Leeds".

Robbie Rogers?

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/form...ity-football-1772310
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04 Apr 2020 13:26 - 04 Apr 2020 18:59 #468 by NORTHERNSOUL
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howoldboy wrote: NS "that [censored] from Leeds".

Robbie Rogers?

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/form...ity-football-1772310


No idea what you think its got to do with him I was referring to that Burgeon and his mate would be better put to use in some Yorkshire men's urinals.
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04 Apr 2020 13:28 - 04 Apr 2020 18:58 #469 by howoldboy
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NS - "not that [censored] from Leeds".

You might get away with that one NS. The mods aren't that sharp.
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04 Apr 2020 13:41 #470 by Laffy
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Abbott gets away with it because we have been groomed over the years to accept she is totally and utterly useless-she’s made being rubbish acceptable and mainstream.Lammy is a loud mouthed clown who plays in his colour.If he was white, he would be an overseer in a plantation.

I often wonder why Starmer is in the Labour Party-he’s a natural liberal but maybe someone threatened to shoot his Labrador too.

Still-let’s give him time to settle into the asylum.

What a pity we couldn’t get Alan Johnson back-now he was a socialist even I would vote for.
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04 Apr 2020 14:29 #471 by feckwittery
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Markovitch wrote: Diane Abbott gets pilloried for making a maths error on TV.

No, Diane Abbot gets pilloried for being proving she's a clueless about <insert topic she's pontificating on> each and every time she opens her mush.
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04 Apr 2020 15:31 #472 by Chilledsilly
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Looking forward to re-joining the Labour party !

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04 Apr 2020 15:34 #473 by NORTHERNSOUL
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feckwittery wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Diane Abbott gets pilloried for making a maths error on TV.

No, Diane Abbot gets pilloried for being proving she's a clueless about <insert topic she's pontificating on> each and every time she opens her mush.


But let's not forget she's got serious competition now in Miss Butler

What I don't get is how these two ever manage to get elected nowhere even in the great metropolis are blacks in the majority so why the hell would any white male even consider voting for either of these two women and I use that word only because I can't think of another one that the mods won't censor as clearly theyre bored this afternoon like the rest of us.

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howoldboy wrote: NS "that [censored] from Leeds".

Robbie Rogers?

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/form...ity-football-1772310


No idea what you think its got to do with him I was referring to that Burgeon and his mate would be better put to use in some Yorkshire men's urinals.


Sorry NS - When you said the words Leeds and gay in the same sentence I automatically assumed it was Leeds United related.

I have since remembered it is bestiality not homosexuality that Leeds United fans are known for.
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04 Apr 2020 21:03 #475 by howoldboy
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NS - It seems the mods are still allowing "bum chum".

You are still outflanking them.

If it helps Boris Johnson uses “tank-topped bum boys” and he seems to get away with it.

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04 Apr 2020 21:03 #476 by Laffy
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"In 2009, the paedophile Jimmy Savile was interviewed under caution by police in Surrey and Sussex. Subsequently, the police referred 4 cases to the CPS alleging that Jimmy Savile had abused 3 girls under the age of 16.
The CPS, after receiving the files from the police, refused to prosecute Savile and dropped the case claiming ‘insufficient evidence’’.
After Savile’s death, and despite multiple attempts of high level cover ups, we now know that he abused up to 500 victims over a four-decade period.
Why am I sharing this with you?
The man in charge of the CPS at the time, that decided there was 'insufficient evidence' to charge Savile, is the now Leader of the Labour Party Sir Kier Starmer."

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04 Apr 2020 21:15 #477 by howoldboy
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Laffy wrote: "In 2009, the paedophile Jimmy Savile was interviewed under caution by police in Surrey and Sussex. Subsequently, the police referred 4 cases to the CPS alleging that Jimmy Savile had abused 3 girls under the age of 16.
The CPS, after receiving the files from the police, refused to prosecute Savile and dropped the case claiming ‘insufficient evidence’’.
After Savile’s death, and despite multiple attempts of high level cover ups, we now know that he abused up to 500 victims over a four-decade period.
Why am I sharing this with you?
The man in charge of the CPS at the time, that decided there was 'insufficient evidence' to charge Savile, is the now Leader of the Labour Party Sir Kier Starmer."


Looks like you have got the wrong man Laffy. If you are going to quote someone else it may be better to choose someone that can at least spell.

Sir Keir Starmer is leader of the Labour Party.

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04 Apr 2020 21:58 #478 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: "In 2009, the paedophile Jimmy Savile was interviewed under caution by police in Surrey and Sussex. Subsequently, the police referred 4 cases to the CPS alleging that Jimmy Savile had abused 3 girls under the age of 16.
The CPS, after receiving the files from the police, refused to prosecute Savile and dropped the case claiming ‘insufficient evidence’’.
After Savile’s death, and despite multiple attempts of high level cover ups, we now know that he abused up to 500 victims over a four-decade period.
Why am I sharing this with you?
The man in charge of the CPS at the time, that decided there was 'insufficient evidence' to charge Savile, is the now Leader of the Labour Party Sir Kier Starmer."


I remember that one doing the rounds when he he got knighted looks like it was pushed under the table then I wonder if it will be this time? or will it surface again just as he starts to threaten Boris ?

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04 Apr 2020 22:07 #479 by howoldboy
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Over 4 years to go and it seems that Boris and Laffy already feel threatened.

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04 Apr 2020 22:11 #480 by High Street
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Dont forget that he decided not to prosecute the Officer that shot the Brazilian on the tube, or the Officer that pushed the news vendor over.

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04 Apr 2020 22:25 #481 by howoldboy
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High Street wrote: Dont forget that he decided not to prosecute the Officer that shot the Brazilian on the tube, or the Officer that pushed the news vendor over.


Are you suggesting they were paedophiles as well?

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04 Apr 2020 23:40 #482 by Taffy-P
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Jimmy Saville was a Tory

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05 Apr 2020 00:34 #483 by howoldboy
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Taffy-P wrote: Jimmy Saville was a Tory


...and he was from Leeds.

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05 Apr 2020 07:34 #484 by Markovitch
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Not sure that looking at the file and deciding there is nothing there is the same as lobbing it in the bin. Peter Sutcliffe was looked at several times by plod and released before he was arrested.


My experience of reading these pages over the years leads me to 3 conclusions.

1) Despite all the huffing and puffing after years of asking the tory supporters cannot put forward one single aspect of government that is better now than under Labour.

2) With the exception of Laffy the more likely someone is to need government support, the more likely they are to vote tory. Minimum wage, unemployment, long term health issues, pensioner, small kids, no degree, all the same

3) No sin or act of hypocrisy, however obviously or morally repugnant is unjustifiable. Losing files to protect pedophiles, killing women and children in Syria, closing cancer hospices or domestic abuse centres, hiding in fridges, beating up women or getting European passports while championing brexit (Farage). All absolutely fine

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05 Apr 2020 07:52 #485 by Laffy
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No-it’s the same guy.I only put it on here after someone sent it to me.

I’m reserving judgment on him-his opening cross party angle was welcome and In keen to see who he puts in his cabinet and how he deals with Momentum.Id like to see him fire the odious Ian Lavery for a start.

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I think he was referring to the fact that you spelt his name incorrectly.

Mullen is a virgin.
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05 Apr 2020 09:33 #487 by Laffy
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Apologies-it was an article sent to me and I just posted it.

He’s on BBC in a minute so let’s see how he presents himself

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Holding the Government to account is critical to us all, however personal insults and trying to discredit the opposition is what it's all about now.

I do make one exception, and that is Abbot, she forces you to take the p.

In my view the British public have had a gut-full of people slagging each other off in the HOC, from all sides of the house. What it has led to is the hard-faced miscreants that represent us all.

Politics is about hatred, the only difference is the Tories use humour. Starmer will change that, he has a persona that people will warm to, he will win back some of those that crossed the red line because of Jezza. Starmer's biggest problems will come from behind him, not in front.

At them moment the divisions within Labour are far and wide, the move to the left has gone to far, and will take years to pull back from.

If Starmer is smart, he will support the Government 99% through this terrible time, we need to be united.

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05 Apr 2020 11:55 #489 by Taffy-P
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Keir Starmer very impressive on the Andrew Marr show
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05 Apr 2020 11:56 #490 by High Street
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feckwittery wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Diane Abbott gets pilloried for making a maths error on TV.

No, Diane Abbot gets pilloried for being proving she's a clueless about <insert topic she's pontificating on> each and every time she opens her mush.


More fake news from Marko, it was a radio interview on LBC.

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05 Apr 2020 11:58 #491 by nobbyblue
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Taffy-P wrote: Keir Starmer very impressive on the Andrew Marr show


He’s got a hard act to follow! :-D

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05 Apr 2020 12:46 #492 by Taffy-P
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nobbyblue wrote:

Taffy-P wrote: Keir Starmer very impressive on the Andrew Marr show


He’s got a hard act to follow! :-D


Very true

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Taffy-P wrote: Keir Starmer very impressive on the Andrew Marr show


Just watched it: order-order.com/2020/04/05/watch-full-st...rview-labour-leader/

He was very impressive, Bojo has some serious competition, which will benefit us all.
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05 Apr 2020 14:29 #494 by Laffy
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I was impressed-he will have to follow up his words with actions and there is plenty of grit in the Labour machine to stop him.I think Boris will do well to respect the guy and bring him in the tent

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Keep your friends close, enemies closer.......
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05 Apr 2020 18:42 #496 by Dancingbear
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Laffy, you’ll no doubt be delighted Lavery got the boot.

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Shadow cabinet.

Nowt for Abbot and Long-Baily, good move.

In, Thornburry, bad move.

Surprise: Keeping Lisa Nandy

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Thornberry is an excellent politician ,as is long Bailley ...her only problem is she's been thrown under the bus because of her loyalty.

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Yesterday 16:09 #499 by thesilentone
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Well, as far as politicians go, she is well qualified, lying is second nature.
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Yesterday 16:20 #500 by Chilledsilly
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Lying is 2nd nature ??

Trying to think of someone that is excellent at lying ?
Wow, I'm struggling ! ...
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