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02 Jan 2020 21:40 #351 by Happyblue
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franksidebottom wrote: The reason why he was given an international cap is irrelevant, the fact was he was a full international which will have played a part in any tribunal’s decision.

For what it’s worth I get the feeling you’ve made your last statement up anyway. First time he was called up was for a qualifier which would have tied him to Wales, but he didn’t play. He then missed out on the next 4 qualifiers before making his debut in a friendly a month later, in fact it was over a year from his first call-up before he played a competitive fixture for Wales. Hardly the actions of a country picking someone just to tie him down!

Think your point actually proves me more , what the point of having a player in your squad who's not good enough yet for the first team , They were giving him a carrot on the end of the stick.

Advantage of living were I do , Generally my local has some people who know football far better than me and any one on here but Lummy.

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02 Jan 2020 21:50 #352 by nobbyblue
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Laffy wrote: You aren’t seriously saying he’s better than Beardsley,Janson or Delap

I remember seeing PB-magical


I’ll give you Beardsley but that’s it. Delap was nowt special.

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02 Jan 2020 21:56 #353 by Happyblue
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I've been watching since 2005 and he's not the best youth product I've seen, let alone in the last 45 years

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02 Jan 2020 22:01 #354 by nobbyblue
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I think you’ll find I’ll turn out to be right.

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02 Jan 2020 22:03 #355 by franksidebottom
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Happyblue wrote:

franksidebottom wrote: The reason why he was given an international cap is irrelevant, the fact was he was a full international which will have played a part in any tribunal’s decision.

For what it’s worth I get the feeling you’ve made your last statement up anyway. First time he was called up was for a qualifier which would have tied him to Wales, but he didn’t play. He then missed out on the next 4 qualifiers before making his debut in a friendly a month later, in fact it was over a year from his first call-up before he played a competitive fixture for Wales. Hardly the actions of a country picking someone just to tie him down!

Think your point actually proves me more , what the point of having a player in your squad who's not good enough yet for the first team , They were giving him a carrot on the end of the stick.

Advantage of living were I do , Generally my local has some people who know football far better than me and any one on here but Lummy.


So first they picked him to stop him playing for anyone else and now they picked him to give him a carrot on the end of a stick? Make your mind up, which is it?!

If they were picking him to stop him playing for anyone else they’d give him a competitive cap ASAP. The fact they didn’t give him one for over a year from his first call-up is pretty damning with regards your theory.

Like I said however, it’s irrelevant why he was called up.

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02 Jan 2020 22:12 #356 by bruntonpete
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In my 40 years, Jansen was the most special. Probably because he played enough games to enjoy his talent. Braithwaite looks quality but has hardly played enough to enjoy his talent. McCarron looked exciting too but he left after hardly any games so again we will never know. I doubt we will see much of him again. Lost in the system.
Galloway the same.
Delap was good. Very good at times. Potential to be very good as he proved.
Aberdeen lad had done potential but was not always good here. Many have come and gone but haven't played enough to shine which is the shame of it.
They leave to soon. Our fault, their fault, the systems fault, greed - whatever. We rarely benefit - the club or the fans. I can't see it changing any time soon especially when we are on our arse. So sad.
All we can hope for is, either a loan deal and cash or a good sell on with add ons. It would be nice if at least half was reinvested but I doubt it. I don't trust any of the current owners to do the best by the club whether they have good intentions or not.

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02 Jan 2020 22:32 #357 by Happyblue
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nobbyblue wrote: I think you’ll find I’ll turn out to be right.

Not disagreeing , I feel that the others having developed as well as the should have afterwards

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02 Jan 2020 22:32 #358 by thetashkentterror
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The one thing that would concern me with Branthwaite at the top level is pace.

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02 Jan 2020 22:33 #359 by Happyblue
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franksidebottom wrote:

Happyblue wrote:

franksidebottom wrote: The reason why he was given an international cap is irrelevant, the fact was he was a full international which will have played a part in any tribunal’s decision.

For what it’s worth I get the feeling you’ve made your last statement up anyway. First time he was called up was for a qualifier which would have tied him to Wales, but he didn’t play. He then missed out on the next 4 qualifiers before making his debut in a friendly a month later, in fact it was over a year from his first call-up before he played a competitive fixture for Wales. Hardly the actions of a country picking someone just to tie him down!

Think your point actually proves me more , what the point of having a player in your squad who's not good enough yet for the first team , They were giving him a carrot on the end of the stick.

Advantage of living were I do , Generally my local has some people who know football far better than me and any one on here but Lummy.


So first they picked him to stop him playing for anyone else and now they picked him to give him a carrot on the end of a stick? Make your mind up, which is it?!

If they were picking him to stop him playing for anyone else they’d give him a competitive cap ASAP. The fact they didn’t give him one for over a year from his first call-up is pretty damning with regards your theory.

Like I said however, it’s irrelevant why he was called up.

Like I say I prefer the opinion of people who know what they talk about over the people on this forum.

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02 Jan 2020 22:35 #360 by franksidebottom
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Well ask these people who know what they’re talking about why it took them over a year to give him a competitive cap if they were so desperate to tie him down.

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02 Jan 2020 22:38 #361 by franksidebottom
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When did this “why did Wales give Ampadu his first cap” conversation take place with these folk who know what they’re talking about in your local by the way?

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02 Jan 2020 22:39 #362 by Happyblue
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franksidebottom wrote: Well ask these people who know what they’re talking about why it took them over a year to give him a competitive cap if they were so desperate to tie him down.

I'll ask, fellas I normally ask spends a lot of time in York so don't always get to catch him.

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02 Jan 2020 22:42 #363 by Happyblue
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franksidebottom wrote: When did this “why did Wales give Ampadu his first cap” conversation take place with these folk who know what they’re talking about in your local by the way?

Ever in Jesmond pop into the Lonsdale , You'll see him sat on the left hand side.

Didn't even realise who it was untill he stated butting into a conversation about who who would be the next bond ,

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02 Jan 2020 22:46 #364 by Happyblue
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Well we got talking about youth projects.and conversation flows, got talking about Branthwaite and how good he was , Ended up getting on to Ampadu ,Agree Branthwaite was better but you are right about the international cap giving him a better value . My point it they acted quickly to bond with the kid , You create a relationship with someone and they are more likely to stick with you than go elsewhere it's quite logical but like many on here your think way too simplistically

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02 Jan 2020 23:04 #365 by STH
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The football world has gone absolutely crazy with the amount of money in it. If one of the PL clubs wants to pay massively over the odds on Branthwaite then it sounds like we are finally getting a bit of luck. Not sure I’d trust this current set of muppets to spend it wisely mind.

How much is he worth? No idea and doesn’t really matter. Like a previous poster said, just depends what buyers want to pay. Think there is quite a bit of oneupmanship in PL so if one of the biggest clubs come in for him then money could get silly quickly.

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02 Jan 2020 23:14 #366 by Happyblue
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We can get as much as we want for Branthwaite the money will still not get near the club

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03 Jan 2020 01:40 #367 by chedderbob247
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I must admit, I am quite surprised about the comparison between Branthwaite and Ampadu.

In my opinion, Ampadu is a superior player by quite some distance (based on the you age of both players at this point in there career that is). Ampadu seems to have much more pace and in my opinion is a superior ball player.

Branthwaite will have a strong career in the game, in my opinion spent in the championship or at lower end Premier league clubs (Burnley, Norwich, Palace, the Baggies (when they get promoted etc)).

I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in a Leeds side struggling the wrong end of the premier league in the next 5-7 years.
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03 Jan 2020 01:45 #368 by chedderbob247
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Added to say that if there is seriously anybody on here that thinks he is anywhere close to Jansen in terms of ability, that they needs to have a long hard think about that.

I didn’t see Beardsley play unfortunately. In the absence of him, Jansen is by a million miles the best the blues have produced in my time following the blues. None of the crop from the last 10 years (McCarron or Branthwaite included) will her anywhere near to him. Not a chance.
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03 Jan 2020 01:53 #369 by GingerBalls
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Well at the moment it's all about opinions... my opinion is that you can't compare a 17 year old winger with a 17 year old centre half.
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03 Jan 2020 06:29 #370 by Demonseye48
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People asking how much Branthwaite is worth....the exact amount will be.....wait for it......UNDISCLOSED!

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03 Jan 2020 13:53 #371 by triskelionblue
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Sillothblue wrote: It's a bit like selling your house. You have several viewings, and if more than one viewers want your house then a bidding process starts. You surely don't take the first offer. A bit like this for Branthwaite. If you really want that house then you will try to outbid the others. Why not put him up for auction with a reserve of 1.5 million.


Not in Scotland apparently. There the Estate Agent has to get a valuation from a surveyor and you cannot put it on the market (or sell it) for more than that!

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03 Jan 2020 14:46 #372 by Happyblue
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Anyone know if the Bus has set off for Cardiff as I assume the club will travel up today , as Branthwaite as j saw Branthwaite walking around the co-op in wigton at about 1pm

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03 Jan 2020 14:49 #373 by nobbyblue
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I doubt he'll be playing again for Carlisle. Don't want him crocked at this stage of proceedings.

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03 Jan 2020 15:04 #374 by bigboblee
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Branthwaite is the best 17 year old I've seen playing for Carlisle. Delap, Jansen and Beardsley were older when they came through. He is attracting interest because he is better than current premier league centre halves were at the same age, as Beech mentioned in a recent interview. Beardsley was good for Carlisle but didn't reach full potential until mid 20's. He didn't get a kick against Workington in the 1980 FA Cup tie at Borough Park, in fact I felt from that era it was Bob Lee who was destined for greatness.

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03 Jan 2020 15:13 #375 by bigboblee
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Thinking back based on appearances for Carlisle I would rank Beardsley below Stan Bowles and Matt Jansen, and possibly Michael Bridges. No Division 1 wanted him , we sold him to Vancouver Whitecaps. He came good at Newcastle after Man Utd had let him go.
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03 Jan 2020 15:31 #376 by Dancingbear
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Delap made his debut at 16 didn’t he?

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03 Jan 2020 16:14 #377 by bigboblee
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Delap made one sub appearance first year YTS, one sub app second year YTS. First year pro started two games, second year pro started 5 games, it was only then that he started to look promising. Robert Edwards is the only other17 year old I can remember playing regularly in the first team.
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03 Jan 2020 16:36 #378 by bigboblee
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Steve Harkness also played as a seventeen year old, I thought Paul Proudlock would go on to greater things than him, which is why I've never been offered a Scouting job.
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03 Jan 2020 18:39 #379 by malaguista
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Beardsley played for Liverpool in what was probably the best team in Europe at the time before the tragedy in Heisell stadium.

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03 Jan 2020 18:45 #380 by Lakelandterrier
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malaguista wrote: Beardsley played for Liverpool in what was probably the best team in Europe at the time before the tragedy in Heisell stadium.


Beardsley played for Liverpool after Heisell tragedy..

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03 Jan 2020 19:38 #381 by franksidebottom
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malaguista wrote: Beardsley played for Liverpool in what was probably the best team in Europe at the time before the tragedy in Heisell stadium.


Heysel was ‘85, Beardsley didn’t join for another few years, late 80’s.

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04 Jan 2020 14:01 #382 by Happyblue
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chedderbob247 wrote: I must admit, I am quite surprised about the comparison between Branthwaite and Ampadu.

In my opinion, Ampadu is a superior player by quite some distance (based on the you age of both players at this point in there career that is). Ampadu seems to have much more pace and in my opinion is a superior ball player.

Branthwaite will have a strong career in the game, in my opinion spent in the championship or at lower end Premier league clubs (Burnley, Norwich, Palace, the Baggies (when they get promoted etc)).

I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in a Leeds side struggling the wrong end of the premier league in the next 5-7 years.

Wouldn't say Ampadu is faster , He's more agile , Branthwaite seems to be deceptively quick as he's a tall lad similar to Potts , His goal against Morecambe shows how quick he is. Also Would say that Watching them Both Branthwaite is as good as passing , but maybe not as good at close control but he's 4inch bigger than Ampadu and so Ampadu will have the lower centre of Gravity. Branthwaite height and Physical side gives him and advantage also he's likely still to get taller but so is Ampadu.

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04 Jan 2020 14:08 #383 by malaguista
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Sorry meant to say Hillsborough,but he was part of a great team in 87 to 91 ,watched many of their home games then

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05 Jan 2020 14:06 #384 by Waltero
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Today's Mail says Carlisle United want £800k for Branthwaite after rejecting a£500k + add ons from Everton.

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05 Jan 2020 14:46 #385 by pedals
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I see RB Leipzig are interested now as well. It must be an amazing feeling as a 17 year old lad from Wigton to have pretty much every top team in the country interested in you and others from across top leagues in Europe. Fees aside, what a choice for him to have - I can't think of many others who've attracted such high-profile interest while at the club. It's great for us as a club and for those in the youth set-up. Come here, work hard and get into the first team, and this is where you could end up.
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05 Jan 2020 15:24 #386 by stu
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Ye and while all the scouts are waiting to watch him in Cardiff his mam sent him to Wigton CO-OP for a pint of milk
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05 Jan 2020 20:13 #387 by Yorkie Blue
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Be cheaper at Lidl.

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06 Jan 2020 08:15 #388 by Prawncrackhead
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Yorkie Blue wrote: Be cheaper at Lidl.


Cheaper and exactly the same milk- insider info.
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06 Jan 2020 14:33 #389 by bigboblee
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Not to be outdone I hear local rivals Lokomotive Leipzig have also put in a bid, free train travel part of the deal. Torpedo Moscow also interested, their chairman Stefan Pattinsonski is a distant cousin of one of our directors. I'd give them a wide berth if I was JB.
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12 Jan 2020 14:03 #390 by CCU
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12 Jan 2020 15:48 #391 by Mouldy
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Would the signing of Hunt suggest there’s no loan back of Branthwaite coming? Or is NKP heading out the door? We certainly don’t need Webster, Mellish, Hayden, Hunt, NKP and Branthwaite as CB’s - get some wage bill put into a striker.

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12 Jan 2020 19:45 #392 by seesaw50
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Jon Colman reporting Everton back in for Branthwaite in his piece for N&S

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13 Jan 2020 15:10 #393 by CarlisleWhite
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One thing I don't get on this is how people think this transfer fee will be the godsend to all ills.
If it's £750K, that will be paid over 3 or 4 years, so at £250K per annum will probably stem some of the losses, but hardly going to lead to the 3 amigos or PD getting enough money to bugger off.

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13 Jan 2020 15:16 #394 by melbourneblues
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The fees being bandied about are £750,000 up front and the same in instalments, then there’s add ons after that, we’ve knocked back £500,000 up front already off Everton who will probably buy him tomorrow.

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13 Jan 2020 15:19 #395 by Lakelandterrier
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melbourneblues wrote: The fees being bandied about are £750,000 up front and the same in instalments, then there’s add ons after that, we’ve knocked back £500,000 up front already off Everton who will probably buy him tomorrow.


Yes, 750k to 1 million up front and similar in installments is what i am hearing the club is holding out for.
Then add ons.

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13 Jan 2020 15:21 #396 by Waltero
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That's all well and good but will any of that fee be put immediately into the purchase/loan for a desperately needed proven goalscorer. Answers on the back of a fag packet
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13 Jan 2020 15:46 #397 by Onlyfoolsandhorses
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Sell him for £750k plus two top loan players until end of season

To help us with relegation ( iwobi and Walcott will do)

( the two players suggested is a joke so don’t get all hung up)
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13 Jan 2020 15:51 #398 by CarlisleWhite
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melbourneblues wrote: The fees being bandied about are £750,000 up front and the same in instalments, then there’s add ons after that, we’ve knocked back £500,000 up front already off Everton who will probably buy him tomorrow.

Not convinced it is the whole fee paid up front? Not the usual way that.
Normally that part is the total "agreed fee" and the rest dependent on appearances etc.
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13 Jan 2020 16:23 #399 by CCU
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CarlisleWhite wrote:

melbourneblues wrote: The fees being bandied about are £750,000 up front and the same in instalments, then there’s add ons after that, we’ve knocked back £500,000 up front already off Everton who will probably buy him tomorrow.

Not convinced it is the whole fee paid up front? Not the usual way that.
Normally that part is the total "agreed fee" and the rest dependent on appearances etc.


Who says £750k is the whole fee?

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13 Jan 2020 16:54 #400 by melbourneblues
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CarlisleWhite wrote:

melbourneblues wrote: The fees being bandied about are £750,000 up front and the same in instalments, then there’s add ons after that, we’ve knocked back £500,000 up front already off Everton who will probably buy him tomorrow.

Not convinced it is the whole fee paid up front? Not the usual way that.
Normally that part is the total "agreed fee" and the rest dependent on appearances etc.


Maybe I could have explained it better, the fee being asked is 1.5m, 750k up front then 750k in instalments.

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