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01 Jan 2020 16:59 #301 by CCU
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Urban Designer wrote: More lies from the bod saying he had picked up a 'niggle' in training.

Pathetic taking the first bid and not even getting £1m which is chicken feed for Everton. Only got Cardiff tickets to see him play - wish I hadn't now.


You talk some nonsense at times fella!

The lad has a knock. Folk asked him at Walsall. And we’ll be getting more than any £1m...

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01 Jan 2020 17:03 #302 by Urban Designer
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More than £1m when? After 20 England caps?!

When a transfer fee is announced they usually say could be a potential £1.5m etc

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01 Jan 2020 17:10 #303 by SeepBladder
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They haven’t announced anything.

Bring back the Edit button.
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01 Jan 2020 17:12 #304 by CCU
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Urban Designer wrote: When a transfer fee is announced they usually say could be a potential £1.5m etc


Not these days they don’t!

But I’m telling you. We’ll get more than any £750k for him..

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01 Jan 2020 17:52 #305 by CCU
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Injured:


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01 Jan 2020 18:25 #306 by franksidebottom
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Urban Designer wrote: More lies from the bod saying he had picked up a 'niggle' in training.

Pathetic taking the first bid and not even getting £1m which is chicken feed for Everton. Only got Cardiff tickets to see him play - wish I hadn't now.


How do you know that this is the first bid?

Are you honestly saying that the only reason you’re going to Cardiff is to see Branthwaite play? Bit of a risk buying tickets in that case when he’s only played once in four games.

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01 Jan 2020 18:30 #307 by franksidebottom
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For what it’s worth I don’t believe he’s injured either, the same as I don’t believe he was ill the other week. Football clubs have a history of telling lies surrounding transfers.

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01 Jan 2020 18:41 #308 by Corporal Crisp
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I don't think he was injured either. Club protecting the incoming cash, so I kind of understand it.
Shame that we've offloaded some real talent this season - you only have to look at Crewe to see the benefit of investing in youth, rather than bringing in has beens who ain't playing for the shirt any more, but their last decent wage packet.
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01 Jan 2020 19:39 #309 by Urban Designer
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Well the January window has only just opened it it was reported on sky that he's going to Everton for 750k. Hardly time for any other bids.

I don't believe for a second he is injured - first time it was reported he was already at Everton - probably getting a medical. Today will be one of Carlisle's promises not to play him.

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01 Jan 2020 19:55 #310 by chedderbob247
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Urban Designer wrote: Well the January window has only just opened it it was reported on sky that he's going to Everton for 750k. Hardly time for any other bids.

I don't believe for a second he is injured - first time it was reported he was already at Everton - probably getting a medical. Today will be one of Carlisle's promises not to play him.


The January transfer window is nothing to do with ‘bids’. It is a window for the transfer of players - very different to bids and discussions, which can, and do, happen, at any time of year.
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01 Jan 2020 21:07 #311 by munchymagic
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This move is about to smash our transfer record - if the figure and add on bits are true :)

Can't have been much of a bidding war unless Everton have turned his head, shown him round and made him feel welcome so a gentlemans agreement was perhaps struck.

If the other clubs didn't match Evertons valuation then more fool them as an initial 750k is a snip for a top flight team - makes you wonder what the other clubs were bidding then, I would love to know how much Rangers and Celtic valued him at.

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01 Jan 2020 21:21 #312 by Urban Designer
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We sold Jansen for £1.5m in 1999 which is like £2.6m today
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01 Jan 2020 21:25 #313 by Urban Designer
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This is just taking account of normal inflation - not Premier League money which is off the scale!

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01 Jan 2020 21:43 #314 by CCU
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Urban Designer wrote: We sold Jansen for £1.5m in 1999


No we didn’t...

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01 Jan 2020 21:52 #315 by Urban Designer
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www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=643&teamTabs=records

Although another website says Knighton waived the sell on fee.

Either way - even if we got a million in 1999 - worth about £1,500,000 today under normal inflation (not premier league inflation)
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01 Jan 2020 21:57 #316 by CCU
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Same website, but the Player’s profile:

www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=9611

£1m.

Soccerbase is much improved in recent years, but when it comes to Transfer Fee’s, they play a guessing game...

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01 Jan 2020 22:29 #317 by Urban Designer
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Carlisle's records receipts always seem to show Tottenham in 97 league cup when about 13,000 were there.

This must now be Everton with over 17k in the fa cup?

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01 Jan 2020 23:06 #318 by munchymagic
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Urban Designer wrote: We sold Jansen for £1.5m in 1999 which is like £2.6m today


It would depend then if the additional payments are achievable that will decide it.

Must be good if the fee is so low - you would hope.

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01 Jan 2020 23:28 #319 by Happyblue
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Only problem with loaning him back is we've already got a loan heavy squad ,

Owners like the stadium, full of Sh!T
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01 Jan 2020 23:38 #320 by triskelionblue
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Corporal Crisp wrote: I don't think he was injured either. Club protecting the incoming cash, so I kind of understand it.
Shame that we've offloaded some real talent this season - you only have to look at Crewe to see the benefit of investing in youth, rather than bringing in has beens who ain't playing for the shirt any more, but their last decent wage packet.


Our investment in youth is just a cash cow for the Custodians formerly known as The Temporary Custodians it's nothing to do with developing a team like Crewe...
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02 Jan 2020 07:03 #321 by Urban Designer
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Happyblue wrote: Only problem with loaning him back is we've already got a loan heavy squad ,



Brathwaite would be number 1 on the loan list for me from what I've read here

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02 Jan 2020 11:25 - 02 Jan 2020 11:26 #322 by CCU
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Watford Bid:


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02 Jan 2020 13:03 #324 by nobbyblue
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Whats the point if hes already signed for Everton? :-D
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02 Jan 2020 13:37 #325 by Cmbubs85
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Daily Mail: Carlisle United reject £500,000 bid from Everton for highly-rated defender Jarrad Branthwaite  t.co/ydsoDKxo9z #efc #coyb t.co/M8lGBrF7gV everton bid rejected

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02 Jan 2020 14:05 #326 by The Archer
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The Daily Fail can’t be correct, as Radio Cumbria and Sky Sports said Jarrad to Everton was a done deal. Are they making things up?

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02 Jan 2020 14:31 #327 by franksidebottom
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This thread just goes to show how many media sources simply make things up and the gullible amongst us believe them.

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02 Jan 2020 17:30 #328 by Laffy
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I remember the discussions with Everton over the sale of James MCFadden-they started at £250k and ended up at £1.25m-don’t accept the first offer!

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02 Jan 2020 17:53 #329 by Onlyfoolsandhorses
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Can anyone tell me On what basis would Jarrod be worth 2 million ??
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02 Jan 2020 17:57 #330 by ParcelPete
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Onlyfoolsandhorses wrote: Can anyone tell me On what basis would Jarrod be worth 2 million ??


Harry Maguire is not 40 times better than him.
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02 Jan 2020 18:00 #331 by Happyblue
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Onlyfoolsandhorses wrote: Can anyone tell me On what basis would Jarrod be worth 2 million ??

Ethan Ampudu went for £2.5 after not being a first team regular and after watching both not actually being as good , Also similar fee played for players of similar age , 2 million is not the going rate for 17/18 years who are playing regular

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02 Jan 2020 18:23 #332 by Urban Designer
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Why aren't CUFC commenting? Lets have a one month open bidding war.

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02 Jan 2020 18:34 #333 by Laffy
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The one thing I would let Nixon do is negotiate this deal.He also has a vested interest in getting the best price though probably conflicted by wanting more up front.

I do think we are in danger of getting carried away with values.He’s a young lad playing in a poor team, small squad and 4 places from the trapdoor-goals against figure is horrible.Is he that good and how can we tell?

Feels a bit early to me but the BOD need cash
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02 Jan 2020 18:45 #334 by nobbyblue
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He’s the best young player I’ve seen playing for Carlisle in the 45 years I’ve been watching. I hope they don’t give him away.

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02 Jan 2020 18:53 #335 by franksidebottom
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nobbyblue wrote: He’s the best young player I’ve seen playing for Carlisle in the 45 years I’ve been watching. I hope they don’t give him away.


You do like a wind-up

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02 Jan 2020 18:59 #336 by The Archer
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Happyblue wrote:

Onlyfoolsandhorses wrote: Can anyone tell me On what basis would Jarrod be worth 2 million ??

Ethan Ampudu went for £2.5 after not being a first team regular and after watching both not actually being as good , Also similar fee played for players of similar age , 2 million is not the going rate for 17/18 years who are playing regular


Ampadu actually cost Chelsea £1.3m up front; the add-ons, if they ever pay them, take it over £2m depending on how many games he plays for Chelsea, which may not be many, and there’s a sell-on percentage too.

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02 Jan 2020 19:01 #337 by chedderbob247
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Lots of talk about Branthwaite being worth x or Branthwaite being worth y. There is a simple answer as to how much he is worth. He is worth whatever a club is willing to pay for him. Not a penny more, not a penny less.
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02 Jan 2020 19:03 #338 by whytakemypostcode
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Holdsworth will be loving the feeling of importance during this Branthwaite negotiation!

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02 Jan 2020 19:08 #339 by Laffy
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You aren’t seriously saying he’s better than Beardsley,Janson or Delap

I remember seeing PB-magical
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02 Jan 2020 19:10 #340 by Sillothblue
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It's a bit like selling your house. You have several viewings, and if more than one viewers want your house then a bidding process starts. You surely don't take the first offer. A bit like this for Branthwaite. If you really want that house then you will try to outbid the others. Why not put him up for auction with a reserve of 1.5 million.

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02 Jan 2020 19:24 #341 by seabird
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A million pound,!
for a premier league team isn't a lot ,it's a couple of weeks wages for a top player. For us it's huge.
To be honest will be surprised if we get that much .

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02 Jan 2020 19:29 #342 by Arragorn
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and I bet none of it will be reinvested in the team. Probably be given to EWM to reduce their investment/loan or whatever its called

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02 Jan 2020 19:41 #343 by franksidebottom
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People keep on referring to Ampadu but as has already been stated it’s a poor comparison. He was in the first team at Exeter at 15, and was a regular when fit (he missed a big chunk of his debut season with injury). He’d moved by the time he was 16 and by the time of the tribunal he was a full international (after previously playing for every age group internationally) and had played a dozen games for Chelsea (the previous season’s premier league champions). What’s Branthwaite got on his CV?

Anyhow, the Ampadu transfer fee was only £1.3m (less than £1million immediately) with the rest dependent on appearances.

www.exetercityfc.co.uk/news/2018/april/e...ampadu-tribunal-fee/

Wouldn’t it be great if Carlisle were as upfront with details as Exeter were by the way!

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02 Jan 2020 19:45 #344 by howoldboy
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Laffy wrote: You aren’t seriously saying he’s better than Beardsley,Janson or Delap

I remember seeing PB-magical


Phil Bonnyman was magical.
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02 Jan 2020 19:47 #345 by franksidebottom
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One thing I will say for Branthwaite is in his last 5 games for the club we’ve only conceded 1 goal.

In the 4 games he’s missed over the same period we’ve conceded 10.

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02 Jan 2020 19:48 #346 by beefsister
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What really pisses me off most about all this is how the Premier League Clubs are trying to get young players from L1/2 for peanuts, money that should help small clubs like ours survive for a few more years. Yet they think nothing of spunking millions on bang average players from all over the world and millions on sacking managers after a couple of defeats.
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02 Jan 2020 20:20 #347 by Piglet_Phoenix
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I'd use weekly wage or potential weekly wage to determine value of a young player - multiplied by remaining length of career.

So if Branthwaite's worth (or been offered) a contract (currently) of £1200 a week and he has a 17 year career ahead of him - that equals roughly £1 million.

That's where bids should start - and you can add your various clauses on top.

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02 Jan 2020 20:40 #348 by Happyblue
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The reason the Welsh have Ampadu a cap was so he couldn't play for anyone else , Got in early

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02 Jan 2020 21:08 #349 by franksidebottom
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The reason why he was given an international cap is irrelevant, the fact was he was a full international which will have played a part in any tribunal’s decision.

For what it’s worth I get the feeling you’ve made your last statement up anyway. First time he was called up was for a qualifier which would have tied him to Wales, but he didn’t play. He then missed out on the next 4 qualifiers before making his debut in a friendly a month later, in fact it was over a year from his first call-up before he played a competitive fixture for Wales. Hardly the actions of a country picking someone just to tie him down!

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02 Jan 2020 21:19 #350 by Urban Designer
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Laffy wrote: You aren’t seriously saying he’s better than Beardsley,Janson or Delap

I remember seeing PB-magical


Not to mention Steve Harkness who played for Liverpool for a decade.
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