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13 Oct 2019 17:07 #51 by Laffy
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EWM appear to have guarantees from AJ and JN on their loan to the Club-standard practice with football clubs and banks as the chances of recovery are remote from club finances.

It’s my opinion these are there to stop them walking-debatable whether EWM would call them up.They are there for a reason however.
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13 Oct 2019 17:33 #52 by CarlisleWhite
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More activity today alone on the message board than the last few weeks (or more) combined.
Tells a story Laffy.

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13 Oct 2019 17:50 #53 by seesaw50
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The peasants are revolting

To have been born Cumbrian
is to have won the lottery of life !

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13 Oct 2019 17:53 #54 by Waltero
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Not as revolting as the BOD

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13 Oct 2019 17:56 #55 by Mullen103
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seesaw50 wrote: The peasants are revolting

Speak for yourself

At least we’re not Stockport
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13 Oct 2019 18:11 #56 by Exiledbelfastblue
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The club is dying a death, it must be one of the worst ran clubs in the FL. I used to travel over regularly from NI but now it's only away games for me, I just cannot stomach the thought of giving any money to the current regime. To be honest iam gutted at the way things have gone. Any efforts by Laffy to push these leeches out would have me back at BP tomorrow.
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13 Oct 2019 18:23 #57 by Wukkie
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triskelionblue wrote:

borderterrier wrote: If AJ sacks Pressley and appointed Klopp he would drag him down to the depths. The fault lies firmly and squarely with the BOD. If you have them 20 million to sort the club out they would squander it. They are clearly incompetent.


Agree look at where we were when they took over and look how far they have dragged us down to


... and all so predictable too sadly.

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13 Oct 2019 18:40 - 13 Oct 2019 18:41 #58 by musher441
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Exiledbelfastblue wrote: The club is dying a death, it must be one of the worst ran clubs in the FL. I used to travel over regularly from NI but now it's only away games for me, I just cannot stomach the thought of giving any money to the current regime. To be honest iam gutted at the way things have gone. Any efforts by Laffy to push these leeches out would have me back at BP tomorrow.



Yeah me too. I'd be first in the queue for a ticket.
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13 Oct 2019 20:10 #59 by Laffy
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Piglet will have kittens at the prospect of me-this despite the fact I never had any intention of ‘controlling’ the club or stripping the invisible assets.

The club’s principle assets are its fans and FL status. BP has no monetary value as even if sold, it needs to be replaced at greater cost.

We are still one of the best supported lower league teams and of huge importance to the EFL due to our geographical location.The city and its leaders need to recognise this by supporting the club-not paying lip service

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13 Oct 2019 20:26 #60 by Piglet_Phoenix
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The kittens are quite safe thanks, El Buitre.

That's because Mary Poppins has got more of a chance of heading a takeover bid than you have.

You're living in a dream world if you think the custodians are just going to step aside and let you and your cronies waltz in.

There's quite a bit of failure and pain to rack up before you can swan in for free, like you want to, and strip the remaining flesh off the carcass.

Right now, Steve Patt will just laugh in your face and show you the door - like last time.

Unless, that is, you wish to put your money where your mouth is - but we both know you're not in it to invest in the club and make it successful, don't we.

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13 Oct 2019 20:32 #61 by Lakelandterrier
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Piglet_Phoenix wrote: The kittens are quite safe thanks, El Buitre.

That's because Mary Poppins has got more of a chance of heading a takeover bid than you have.

You're living in a dream world if you think the custodians are just going to step aside and let you and your cronies waltz in.

There's quite a bit of failure and pain to rack up before you can swan in for free, like you want to, and strip the remaining flesh off the carcass.

Right now, Steve Patt will just laugh in your face and show you the door - like last time.

Unless, that is, you wish to put your money where your mouth is - but we both know you're not in it to invest in the club and make it successful, don't we.



Where is your proof?

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13 Oct 2019 20:39 #62 by Laffy
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Throw a bit of bread on the water and it’s gulped down as always!

Piglet-I have absolutely no intention of giving one penny to the stakeholders-it’s a football club with negative value and their loans represent past losses-not assets.

Meanwhile, they just keep increasing the debt and the PGs to what end we don’t know.If you are happy to watch from the wings and see your club evaporate, then so be it.

As for Patty, he appears to have been happy to watch AJ fuel the machine as the balance sheet shows no money owing to him.I wonder what his excuse is?He may have laughed at the time but he is the one having to face the public for his good work on a Saturday afternoon.
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13 Oct 2019 20:44 #63 by Mullen103
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Piglet_Phoenix wrote: The kittens are quite safe thanks, El Buitre.

That's because Mary Poppins has got more of a chance of heading a takeover bid than you have.

You're living in a dream world if you think the custodians are just going to step aside and let you and your cronies waltz in.

There's quite a bit of failure and pain to rack up before you can swan in for free, like you want to, and strip the remaining flesh off the carcass.

Right now, Steve Patt will just laugh in your face and show you the door - like last time.

Unless, that is, you wish to put your money where your mouth is - but we both know you're not in it to invest in the club and make it successful, don't we.


Why would Laffy who still attends games, despite the owners discrediting him, want to ruin the club he supports.

You’re talking utter bollocks on this piggy.

A plan/direction/investment/professionalism is a damn sight more than we have now. If and a big IF Mr Laffy made any money out of the club it would mean it had been successful.

At least we’re not Stockport

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13 Oct 2019 20:44 #64 by Laffy
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There is no proof Lakeland-Piglet has this deluded notion that I’m in it to make money.The fact is I don’t need the money and there are many easier ways of making a living.

Why don’t I send you the draft legals from the last abort Piglet and see if you can find anything to suggest I was going to sell the Club to a developer.

Hang on-weren’t the stakeholders going to sell the club to a Syrian billionaire with DD conducted via Yahoo?
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13 Oct 2019 20:48 #65 by Laffy
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To be honest Richard, I would be entirely relaxed about stating I did not want anything back-cash, salary, shares.

It’s NOT about the money and as we all know, the chances of recovering value are remote.Precisely why the loans are utterly futile and unhelpful.The Club needs long term capital, not short term finance

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13 Oct 2019 21:39 #66 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Absolute tripe.

I'm not surprised we're seeing the untruths wheeled out (once again) the club has no value and there's no money to be made here - if you believe this, you're a plum ripe sucker.

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13 Oct 2019 22:15 #67 by Laffy
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Well if it has value Piglet,

A-what do you think it’s worth with £3m of loans? and ;

B-why do you think nobody, including the billionaire, has offered one cent for it? and

C-where is the money to be made for all our benefit?

I repeat-every penny of any deal involving me would be put in as equity.No cash will change hands.In fact, we should be asking them to put money in to get off the hook.

You can sit on the side lines and throw your unsubstantiated crap but you have not once offered anything as an alternative-preferring to offer your sage like views on player ratings.

I repeat-I don’t need the money and I certainly don’t feel the need to justify myself or my motives to you.

Have a good evening
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13 Oct 2019 22:25 - 13 Oct 2019 22:27 #68 by Kessler
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So I might end up working for Laffy after all.

Laffy wrote: To be honest Richard, I would be entirely relaxed about stating I did not want anything back-cash, salary, shares.


I like what I'm hearing there, but you have said in the past that someone running a business deserves to keep the profits they make. Why is this different, why wouldn't you want any money back if you were running the club?
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13 Oct 2019 22:32 #69 by CCU
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Whilst a Football Club is a Business, it’s much different from say a shop or building firm...

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

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13 Oct 2019 22:36 - 13 Oct 2019 22:37 #70 by Kessler
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CCU wrote: Whilst a Football Club is a Business, it’s much different from say a shop or building firm...


I agree. I just want to be sure that anyone who takes over also sees it that way.
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13 Oct 2019 22:37 #71 by Laffy
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Evening Kessler

It’s a football club and one I have fully supported since I was 6.Its not about the money.Never has been and that also reflects the recognition that no owner in the history of Carlisle Utd has actually made money out of it.If there is one, let me know.The future of the Club lies in the hands of a few locals who can afford to put something back and the community.

The working board of directors ie full time CEO,Commercial director and FD would of course have to be motivated by salary and career progression-and be accountable to the chairman and shareholders for their performance-exactly the same rules as the manager.

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13 Oct 2019 22:49 #72 by Mullen103
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Laffy wrote: To be honest Richard, I would be entirely relaxed about stating I did not want anything back-cash, salary, shares.

It’s NOT about the money and as we all know, the chances of recovering value are remote.Precisely why the loans are utterly futile and unhelpful.The Club needs long term capital, not short term finance


I believe that 100%

I do also believe that AJ thinks he will get his money back, it’s not going to happen.

At least we’re not Stockport

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13 Oct 2019 22:56 #73 by Laffy
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The fact AJ thinks he’s going to get his money back is a massive overhang problem-the Club needs to generate Clibbens’ beloved ‘football fortune’ to push on but first call on it would be AJ/JN/EWM-meantime, the Club continues to contract.

Why on earth would anyone with any sense ‘invest’ in the club when the first call on cash is ‘dead loans’?
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13 Oct 2019 22:56 #74 by borderterrier
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I’ll tell you I believe 100%. As soon as the BOD get wind of this, they will come out swinging trying to defend there ineptitude!
Jenkins, I’m the best man to run the club
Pattison, jabbing a finger if anyone doesn’t agree
Nixon, hell bent on preserving his trough, pushing Clibbens to the fore, telling him “ get out there Nige, this is what you get paid for, a barrier between us and them”.
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13 Oct 2019 22:57 #75 by Mullen103
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There’s many businesses/businessmen that I know, been involved with/worked for that have said they would of invested in Lappings plans as well as many supporters willing to buy shares. I don’t think they’d be a problem raising capital.

These people/businesses won’t put money in now because of the balance sheet, the personnel involved and the obvious debt.

I think there’s about 0.01% chance of the current board accepting any offer involving Lapping, there stubborn like that. However football clubs are strange things especially with supporter movements.

Again it’s my opinion but if Lappings plan/deal got accepted and implemented we would be in far far better position both financially and on the pitch than we are now - that I have no doubt.

At least we’re not Stockport
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13 Oct 2019 23:05 #76 by Laffy
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Can you imagine how things would be if EWM simply loaned cash as a buffer rather than as emergency funding to avoid a crisis-all now up in smoke.Being able to make decisions on the front rather than back foot.That is the point of a neutral balance sheet

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13 Oct 2019 23:07 #77 by borderterrier
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Mullen. If you employed a chimp it would do a better job than the current regime. Put simply, if this was a common or garden ltd company and not a football club, all be it a ltd company, it would have been shut down long ago.

I’ve feared for quite some time it could end in tears, Bury fc only compounded it even more.
They have to be ousted asap. It appears there is now a will to just that.
And I’ll state it again AJ JN SP, should be banned for life from Brunton Park for ever more Amen!
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13 Oct 2019 23:08 #78 by Chilledsilly
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Your easily fooled if you believe lapping will be any different to 3 amigos ...
Itll be more of 10 Bob in ,and spend 7 bob .

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13 Oct 2019 23:16 #79 by Piglet_Phoenix
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"where is the money to be made"?

Oh come on.

You expect me, to tell you - Mr Hot-shot dynamic trousers, big businessman moneybags - where there's money to be made?

Are you having a giraffe?

If you can't see how to make money running the club you're not fit to take over. And if you claim you're not going to take a penny out, you're either incompetent or clearly hiding something.

If there was wasn't money to be made then we wouldn't have an Arsenal fan masquerading as a Carlisle fan - pretending to be all altruistic and wanting to take care of us purely out of the kindness of his own heart.

How stupid do you think we all are?

If you took over the club and brought success - I'd expect you to do very well out of it - and fair play to you. This "not in it for the money" baloney is fishier than a Maryport hen-do.

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13 Oct 2019 23:18 #80 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: It’s a football club and one I have fully supported since I was 6.Its not about the money.Never has been and that also reflects the recognition that no owner in the history of Carlisle Utd has actually made money out of it.If there is one, let me know.The future of the Club lies in the hands of a few locals who can afford to put something back and the community.


Thanks. I like to know that anyone wanting to take over and run the club is doing it for the right reasons. From what you say you do seem to have the best interests of the club at heart.

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14 Oct 2019 07:37 #81 by Laffy
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Now I’m an Arsenal fan.Well I’m a Carlisle fan but I can’t deny I enjoy watching Arsenal when they are in the north.I am clearly unworthy

As for making money, what part of ‘every penny earned gets put back into the Club’ do you not follow?
I know I can increase revenue simply by getting the basics right and we all know the Club got into difficulties because they lost control of costs.

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14 Oct 2019 08:02 #82 by bejustandfearprokas
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Laffy, give it a go again, make it public, gain the weight from the support of fans and potential investors and back the custodians into a corner. This thread is the most encouraging thing to do with CUFC in months.
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14 Oct 2019 08:53 #83 by bluestblue
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bejustandfearprokas wrote: Laffy, give it a go again, make it public, gain the weight from the support of fans and potential investors and back the custodians into a corner. This thread is the most encouraging thing to do with CUFC in months.


Well said.

I agree 100% and I am totally behind this "groundswell" which is what I hope this really is going to become.

Go Laffy
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14 Oct 2019 09:20 #84 by Dancingbear
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Totally agree with the above posts. Go public and make your intentions known if you are indeed serious Laffy. They’ll no doubt scoff at the suggestion as theyre so blinkered they’ll think they deserve some sort of golden handshake.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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14 Oct 2019 09:33 #85 by paddockite
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bejustandfearprokas wrote: Laffy, give it a go again, make it public, gain the weight from the support of fans and potential investors and back the custodians into a corner. This thread is the most encouraging thing to do with CUFC in months.


Absolutely spot on.

Look at the amount of interest this thread has already got.

I think the amount of fan backing he'd get if he went back in would mean half the battle already won.
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14 Oct 2019 10:30 #86 by sirjimmyglass
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Can we all just pause for a second to laugh at Billionaire-gate again?

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Incredible to think that they thought anybody would believe it.
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14 Oct 2019 10:32 #87 by Laffy
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Piglet and others still think it’s about turning a profit.Sometimes in life it’s not about making money.What an amazing thing it is to be able to put something back Piglet-you should try it instead of shooting from the hip and railing against passion and belief
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14 Oct 2019 10:35 #88 by sirjimmyglass
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I think it's pretty clear that it would be a mammoth task to make Carlisle United a profitable club again; it's pretty much in ruins.

If anybody could stop the club hemorrhaging money, turn it round to make the team successful and tap into the significant potential that there is in the region, I wouldn't begrudge them making some money out of it one bit. It would take an awful lot of time and money to get us to that point.

Even if Laffy's intentions were not what he makes out they were, they absolutely HAVE to have been a better option than this.
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14 Oct 2019 10:36 #89 by sirjimmyglass
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Laffy takes over and puts Kessler in as Vice President to make sure our socialist values are being met.

The Dream Team.
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14 Oct 2019 10:57 #90 by Exiledbelfastblue
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Publicity and with it pressure on the board are the key to this - at the moment a proportion of the fan base cannot see that a better alternative exists - If Laffy and and his cohorts can get together to make a public offer for the club then i think this may lead to a real groundswell of support - we all know the current owners are not going to go quietly so the only way is to turn the 3-4 thousand that still go completely against them.
I have e-mailed John Coleman this morning and would hope he is reading this board.
Finally a message to Laffy - I can only go on what you write on this board and from that i believe you have the best interests of our club at heart - you are also a successful business man and so in my mind that will do for me - If you do decide to give this another go i wish you all the best - from a selfish point of view i have a 4 year old son and i would love to get him hooked on the blues as i was - would i take him now - Not a chance!!!
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14 Oct 2019 11:05 #91 by bejustandfearprokas
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I may be overly simplifying things here; but one of the most frustrating things about the current running of CUFC is the basic things aren't done right - and its so refreshing to hear Laffy's plan is a pretty simple one. If Carlisle United gets a clean slate and is well ran, I believe it will look after itself.

I'd happily get behind someone like Laffy, would chuck in for match ball sponsorships again etc.
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14 Oct 2019 11:24 #92 by pigeonpete
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I would also get behind Laffy. I am getting so down with the way things are now. I am on a low wage and if I do get spare money I like to take my kids to the games but lately I have not bothered. I dont want to waste my money anymore. Laffy get on your white charger and save our club, come on mate we are behind you.
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14 Oct 2019 11:57 - 14 Oct 2019 12:29 #93 by thesilentone
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The problems at Carlisle are to complicated, debentures, debt/equity conversions, an inept significant shareholder (CUIST) failing on the pitch and a crumbling stadium.

Anyone with a sound head would not touch it with a barge-pole, it's lose-lose.

If you took over control, you would have zero assets, therefore no borrowing collateral, and any incumbents would need to inject min £1.0m to cover liabilities.

It's a (not quite) dead duck I'm afraid.
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14 Oct 2019 12:48 #94 by Laffy
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Correct-too complicated as I said last night

You start with a clean balance sheet and a big chunk of cash-call it £2m to see you through without asking for more money.This means total w/o off debt
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14 Oct 2019 13:12 #95 by Warwickroadend1990s
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Laffy, don’t rise to piglet as he is clearly one of the board or associated with them as he sounds desperate to cling on like the custodians. I had a lot of involvement with a league 1 club fir years and it winds me up seeing the way they do things and watch as the 3 idiots run our club into the ground. It baffles me how they can’t get the basics right. It is so simple to increase revenue with many avenues which they don’t use. We really need you to give this another go and get lummybon board with you to give this club to the fans. There are some brilliant business heads that support our club to drive us into the championship. This is where we should be flirting not plodding along hoping something happens. To be a successful club you need to make things happen not hope. Come on laffy get this takeover going
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14 Oct 2019 14:18 #96 by thetashkentterror
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Piglet is neither of those.

Doesn't mean I agree with his opinion on this, before anyone starts.
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14 Oct 2019 14:26 #97 by thesilentone
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Jenks has bankrolled Carlisle for decades, why should he just walk away ?

But, there is sod-all to give his as the Club owns nothing. FS tried to give a bit of floodplain to JC for the vast sums he ploughed in CUFC, and the CUIST wreckers blew that away, so they are bound to do the same with any other Board member.

Receivership or EWM calling in the loan is the only way out I'm afraid, and I can't Jenks or EWM doing that.

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14 Oct 2019 14:31 #98 by Dancingbear
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thesilentone wrote: Jenks has bankrolled Carlisle for decades, why should he just walk away ?

But, there is sod-all to give his as the Club owns nothing. FS tried to give a bit of floodplain to JC for the vast sums he ploughed in CUFC, and the CUIST wreckers blew that away, so they are bound to do the same with any other Board member.

Receivership or EWM calling in the loan is the only way out I'm afraid, and I can't Jenks or EWM doing that.


Agreed. I’ve bankrolled my car for the last 10 years. It’s still worth sod all now.

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14 Oct 2019 14:56 #99 by borderterrier
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Well if these clowns stay much longer we’ll end up like those poor Devils in North Manchester with no football club to follow.
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14 Oct 2019 15:32 #100 by thetashkentterror
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Jenkins has bankrolled the club?

Maybe if the club wasn't run so badly every time he is chairman, he wouldn't have to put in so much money to prop it up.
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