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23 Aug 2019 10:33 #51 by jakeyblain
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Frank is absolutely bang on. SP has implemented a new style of play with a basically new squad, these transitions take time ffs. Like mentioned above JS was in charge during some absolutely abysmal displays in his short reign. I remember driving back from Middlesbrough for back to back home defeats against Grimsby and Morecambe last season and getting to the point where I was ready to stop going to home games for a while as I'd lost the enjoyment out of going to the games until that Newport game. Both games were absolutely dire and we never looked like scoring against what were surely in the worst 5 teams in the league last season. SP deserves time to drill his style into the team as this is now his team compared to a team put together last minute before January deadline day where for a club like ours it's only cast offs and loans which are available.
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23 Aug 2019 13:20 #52 by Markovitch
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I remember those 2 games. Can't argue with that. I also remember that we beat Oldham 3 1 in between them which lifted the spirits a little.

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24 Aug 2019 01:22 #53 by munchymagic
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Markovitch wrote: An 8 from 9 game run over Christmas! How long is Christmas in your house? That's 20% of the season! Sheridan was only in the job for 5 months. Pressley has already had over 7 and we are getting worse.

You need to watch the games Frank. Two minutes on a Saturday night won't show you how bad we are. Though I did see Colin Murray has started calling us struggling Carlisle. Maybe that'll spell it out for you


Hit it on the head Marko really - once you see confusion in the performances then it isn't down to the players but preparation and managing them properly.

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24 Aug 2019 07:17 #54 by Waltero
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When the team sheet comes out if he's starting Scougall I'll be strongly tempted to stay in the Beehive

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24 Aug 2019 07:20 #55 by GingerBalls
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I remember those dreadful home defeats too.. it was no coincidence that things picked up when Grainger and Devitt returned to the team.
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24 Aug 2019 08:46 #56 by nobbyblue
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If we lose today and Colchester draw or win and Oldham, Stevenage and Scunthorpe win we could be bottom tonight.

I always like to look on the bright side!

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24 Aug 2019 09:08 #57 by Kaiser Blue
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Sacking Presley would do nothing good long term for the club unless we sat facing relegation after New Year.

A few folk on here understand that there needs to be a transition period and bumps in the road are natural but it’s fair that supporters can have their say whenever.

Given that Pressley was likely fortunate to get the job permanently back at Easter time, there should be a set target (e.g. 12 games) before things are assessed.

This squad is his. Forget about sacking him. Keep the faith - it is only five games in out of at least 52 - until the going really gets tough or you jump back on the bandwagon if things go well.
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24 Aug 2019 17:46 #58 by Croydonblue
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so his league win percentage this season is 20%. Impressive. NOT
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24 Aug 2019 21:56 #59 by franksidebottom
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Put one of the 3 unbelievable chances away second half and it goes up to a respectable 40%. Fine margins and all that!

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24 Aug 2019 21:59 #60 by nobbyblue
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And if my auntie had balls he'd be my uncle.
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24 Aug 2019 22:18 #61 by CCU
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nobbyblue wrote: And if my auntie had balls he'd be my uncle.


It’s 2019, I’m not so sure these days...

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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24 Aug 2019 22:26 #62 by franksidebottom
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nobbyblue wrote: And if my auntie had balls he'd be my uncle.


Like I say, fine margins...

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24 Aug 2019 23:15 #63 by Croydonblue
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franksidebottom wrote: Put one of the 3 unbelievable chances away second half and it goes up to a respectable 40%. Fine margins and all that!


But let's stick to facts - they didn't. If is a big word.

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24 Aug 2019 23:32 #64 by franksidebottom
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Absolutely, hence the use of the phrase fine margins.

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25 Aug 2019 07:47 #65 by pacirv
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I've always found it odd that ex defender managers can't put a decent defence together.

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09 Sep 2019 14:14 #66 by unclealbert
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Has Zigor left Watford?

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10 Sep 2019 19:06 #67 by beefsister
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Bernard Challandes - the Kosovo coach.

If he's utter shite he would at least be entertaining - the guy is as crazy as a box of frogs!

www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/11...r-bernard-challandes

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10 Sep 2019 20:11 #68 by crunchblue
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unclealbert wrote: Has Zigor left Watford?


Yes

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11 Sep 2019 00:08 #69 by Bluedazblue
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I think it might take a magician to turn round this squad.

It's a pity Paul Daniels, David Nixon and Ali Bongo are no longer with us.

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11 Sep 2019 09:53 #70 by beefsister
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I'd take Penn & Teller over SP at the moment!!

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11 Sep 2019 10:23 #71 by musher441
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Lee Clark has managed to take Blyth to the bottom of the table with 2 points out of a possible 30.
He'll be available again soon.

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11 Sep 2019 13:49 #72 by ROOSTER
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Looks like we dodged a bullet with Sheridan - P10, W0,D5,L5 - F13, A19, Pts 5...

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11 Sep 2019 15:01 #73 by HuntingHorn
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musher441 wrote: Lee Clark has managed to take Blyth to the bottom of the table with 2 points out of a possible 30.
He'll be available again soon.



In all fairness, he did lose most of the squad weeks before he took the job, financial restrictions made it impossible to keep a lot of their team from last season.
The best of their players moved elsewhere just before Clark took over.

He's still shit though.

It's better to be silent and assumed a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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11 Sep 2019 15:48 #74 by KentBlue
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Looking at the list of candidates from Oddschecker last time around, many are hooked up now with various roles...

Lee Clark - Blyth
Tommy Wright - Swindon
Owen Coyle - N/A
Paul Murray - Oldham
Robbie Stockdale - Hibs
Clint Hill - Fleetwood
Paul Hurst - Scunthorpe
Russell Slade - Hereford
Peter Murphy - Annan

Realistically, we'd be looking at similar names again for applications. Plus a few that have come back onto the merry-go-round since July. Can only see us paying compo to non-league or Scottish sides really (pennies), or perhaps an internal appointment.

With this logic applied, 10 potential candidates here that I would expect to be in the mix...

Owen Coyle
Danny Grainger
Peter Murphy
Clint Hill
Zigor Aranalde
Dino Maamria
Sol Campbell
Eric Kinder
Gavin Skelton


Any preferences from that lot? Sure I've missed a couple of likely runners too. I would be delighted to see Clint Hill given it if he was interested. Ziggy likewise. Sol Campbell not worth the hassle IMO. I'd probably have Grainger and Skelton vying for favouritism, whilst Coyle may well remain the preference of DH. Think it's fairly common knowledge he was keen on him last time.
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11 Sep 2019 16:09 #75 by Whiteside
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As a close follower of the reds and occasional watcher of the blues I would be devastated if Danny Grainger was appointed at this early stage, in the short time he has been with the club he has engaged with supporters and turned a hit and hope team into one that's worth watching, and getting the best out of each individual (Dave Symington is absolutely on fire)I have no doubt that Danny will go onto better things in the future but hopefully United will look at someone with more experience as the current squad need a miracle worker
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12 Sep 2019 17:04 - 12 Sep 2019 17:06 #76 by munchymagic
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Regardless of who next gets the Carlisle United managers job it has to be said that Pressley's tenure so far has ben very disappointing to say the least based on tactics, fitness of the players, signings and of course points.

The best players in the side are from previous regimes which says a lot since Pressley has had two transfer windows to work with now and we are steadily getting worse.

My guess is that any new manager we get will be scratching his bollocks like Curle did when inheriting Kavanagh's squad thinking ' what the [censored] do I do with this lot' and having a fire sale to any Nationwide North team that will have them for the worst offenders.

I really don't know why he signed that Hayden send him out on loan to get some game time till Christmas if allowed.
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12 Sep 2019 17:12 #77 by nobbyblue
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KentBlue wrote: Looking at the list of candidates from Oddschecker last time around, many are hooked up now with various roles...

Lee Clark - Blyth
Tommy Wright - Swindon
Owen Coyle - N/A
Paul Murray - Oldham
Robbie Stockdale - Hibs
Clint Hill - Fleetwood
Paul Hurst - Scunthorpe
Russell Slade - Hereford
Peter Murphy - Annan

Realistically, we'd be looking at similar names again for applications. Plus a few that have come back onto the merry-go-round since July. Can only see us paying compo to non-league or Scottish sides really (pennies), or perhaps an internal appointment.

With this logic applied, 10 potential candidates here that I would expect to be in the mix...

Owen Coyle
Danny Grainger
Peter Murphy
Clint Hill
Zigor Aranalde
Dino Maamria
Sol Campbell
Eric Kinder
Gavin Skelton


Any preferences from that lot? Sure I've missed a couple of likely runners too. I would be delighted to see Clint Hill given it if he was interested. Ziggy likewise. Sol Campbell not worth the hassle IMO. I'd probably have Grainger and Skelton vying for favouritism, whilst Coyle may well remain the preference of DH. Think it's fairly common knowledge he was keen on him last time.


If Eric Kinder got the job I wouldn't go back.

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12 Sep 2019 18:26 #78 by crunchblue
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There was a weird bit at the end of Pressley’s press conference today.

James Phillips asked him how important he thinks the travelling fans will be this weekend for this final game? And then corrected himself and said “game”.

I wonder if he’s heard something about what will happen if result goes against him Saturday, or maybe he’s wishfully thinking it so just said what’s on his mind without thinking.

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12 Sep 2019 18:39 #79 by seesaw50
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Not like JP that, mouth not engaging brain ....leaves you wondering tho

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12 Sep 2019 18:40 #80 by munchymagic
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Cue the Carlisle away fans at the weekend having a game of modified Where's Wally in the crowd only this time it will be Where's Owen.

To make it harder he will be donning a fake beard.

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12 Sep 2019 19:31 #81 by CCU
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Folk were too busy fawning over Curle in Jan to notice Pressley watching us at Northampton...

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12 Sep 2019 19:45 #82 by Arragorn
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Coyle has almost as bad a managerial record as Pressley so if he ends up as SP's successor then its a case of out of the frying pan & into the fire.

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12 Sep 2019 19:47 #83 by munchymagic
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We were on such a good run I don't think that anyone cared as TW and Murray were also possible contenders for the job I would imagine, though that game probably ended that.

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12 Sep 2019 19:52 #84 by nobbyblue
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CCU wrote: Folk were too busy fawning over Curle in Jan to notice Pressley watching us at Northampton...


Aye he signed Bridge on the strength of his performance that day!

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12 Oct 2019 23:40 #85 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Surely if you were going for a former player you would give Peter Murphy a shot ahead of Grainger?

He's managed Annan for over 100 games now and has a win % of over 40% - for a club the size of Annan (with all due respect) in the division they're in, that's impressive.

Pressley's career win % overall is just over 36%, his Carlisle record is more like 32% (which is pitiful given the situation when he arrived). The only time Pressley has managed a win % over 40% was at Falkirk over five years ago now - since then, his managerial record has been complete toilet.

Owen Coyle's career record win % is around 38% but is skewed upward by his early stints at Falkirk and St Johnstone between 2003 & 2007. Since he left Burnley in 2010 his record has been worse than Pressley's.

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13 Oct 2019 07:07 #86 by Markovitch
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When does Tommy Wright's court case start?
Peter Murphy would be a good start for me. Annan play some decent stuff, made the play offs. Pressley just looks clueless. The whole thing just smacks of lack of common sense. And he can't change it because we don't have a left back. Mckirdy and Thomas not playing. Can anybody see this getting better?

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13 Oct 2019 07:29 #87 by thetashkentterror
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Steve Watson at York.
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13 Oct 2019 08:17 #88 by heilkmoon
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We need someone who will get the best out of this limited squad, which Pressley just isn’t doing.

Get the best out of the mavericks and slackers like McKirdy and Thomas.

Stop imposing systems and fitness regimes that the players we have aren’t suited to or capable of.

I think we need someone who has either played or managed in League Two before and to quote Keith Curle “knows what it takes to win games at this level”.
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13 Oct 2019 09:24 #89 by aberdeenblue28
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My shortlist would be:
1. Ian Evatt
2. Derek Adams
3. Lummy (even though he won’t go for it but he might do well and is well liked by fans.)
4. Owen Coyle
5. Zigor Arandale/ Michael Bridges

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13 Oct 2019 09:35 #90 by ParcelPete
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Why would anyone put Lummy before Peter Murphy who has managed over 100 games ?
I like lummy,but the next boss needs at least some experience.
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13 Oct 2019 09:49 #91 by aberdeenblue28
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I’ve been to a lot of Annan games in the past 2 seasons and they were decent but I think he needs a job higher up first before us. And Lummy has pretty much seen every team and the majority of players in league 2. If you go on league 2 experience lummy wins by a country mile. Plus Annan have gone way downhill since last season the footballs been shocking to say the least.

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13 Oct 2019 09:53 #92 by aberdeenblue28
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In fact Murph and Lummy joint managers. Why not Murphy has the managerial experience and Lummy knows league 2 inside out. Their both fighters and have an affection for the club. You could do a lot worse.
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13 Oct 2019 10:04 #93 by nobbyblue
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Derek Adams is getting Orient job.

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13 Oct 2019 10:13 #94 by Dancingbear
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What about that fella that Sunderland sacked. Did well at St Mirren.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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13 Oct 2019 10:16 #95 by Happyblue
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The problem with a lot of Managers as they go through their career is they fail to adapt , Owen coyle is a great example his tactics were really good for s the first few years till people worked how to beat him , He hasn't adapted so now cant keep a job.

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13 Oct 2019 10:29 #96 by carwash
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Markovitch wrote: When does Tommy Wright's court case start?


The date set for trial was last Monday but there's been no update in the press. The defendants were charged by the City of London Fraud Squad so it would likely be an Old Bailey trial. I am wondering if the case has been quietly dropped by the CPS leaving the charges on file. Fraud trials are notoriously expensive and this case doesn't seem to me to be worth pursuing compared to other fraud cases where victims have really suffered.
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13 Oct 2019 10:33 #97 by Laffy
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Want me to call Billy Davies?This is exactly the kind of scenario in which he would excel.

The Club has no spark-it needs a driver who can share a vision.Meanwhile the meaningless 5 in charge preside over a slow moving car crash.In any other environment they would get out of the way and let someone else with a brain have a go

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13 Oct 2019 15:11 #98 by seesaw50
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Dancingbear wrote: What about that fella that Sunderland sacked. Did well at St Mirren.


Doubt we could afford him db

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13 Oct 2019 15:45 #99 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Billy Davies is a basket case, isn't he?

"Davies' second spell proved to be a controversial and damaging one. He dismissed long-serving club staff without explanation, shouting at a photographer taking photos for the club's matchday programme after a match at Millwall, banning journalists issuing a "near media blackout" and employing his cousin, Jim Price, a suspended solicitor, as his closest advisor.[28][29]

After an eight-game winless run leaving Nottingham Forest one place and two points outside of the play-off positions and having seen his side lose 5-0 to local rivals Derby County on 22 March 2014, he was dismissed on 24 March. A statement on Forest's website read "Nottingham Forest Football Club have confirmed the termination of manager Billy Davies' employment.[30][31]

Louise Taylor of The Guardian pointed to Davies' "paranoia", "self-destructive insecurities" and "obsession with conspiracy theories and old grudges" as the reasons behind his downfall, suggesting that he had "shattered" his reputation.[32] The Daily Telegraph's John Percy, who was one of a number of reporters who were "accused of being in league with his former employers" for questioning decisions Davies made, said that Davies was "destined for failure" because he was "obsessed" with conspiracies and hidden agendas. He pointed to the "huge funds" Davies was given to get Forest promoted and suggested that he "could have got away with" the "unsavoury" behaviour, had Forest been winning.[33] John Payne of The Metro said that Davies owed the Forest fans an apology for his behaviour after failing to acknowledge them at the end of the defeat to Derby and "insulted fans' intelligence" by refusing to answer straight questions on the rare occasion he gave press interviews.[34]"

From Wikipedia obviously.

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13 Oct 2019 15:53 #100 by lbtufty
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Clueless basket case?

Sounds like he'll fit in perfectly.

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