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What do we think, will he be the subject of a bid in January?

If so whats he worth, what would he go for?

I'll start

1. Yes
2. Worth - 1m
3. Sell 250k with sell on clauses
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He did.
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O/S suggests it was Sheridan:

The club’s director of football David Holdsworth said: “Liam has shown his potential and John [Sheridan] has seen that, and has involved him in the first team environment because of it.

https://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/2018/september/mccarronsigns29sep18/
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Strange, I was sure I watched a training session under KC when Liam was involved. I can't remember watching any under Sheridan.
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They sometimes use a couple of Youth to make up numbers if there’s a few injuries or such, maybe that?
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KC earmarked him at 15.
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Can remember a couple of folk in junior football saying he looked the most likely in years to progress and possibly ‘make it’...
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To be fair to KC the youth team were not good enough to break through in KC's reign, plus we had a stronger squad.

KC threw 2/3 lads on against Hartlepool didnt he, last game of the season when we were 2-0 up or 3-1 up? They struggled and KC got hammered.

KC told me there was one coming through that he was going to push through and that was McCarron.

Its funny, all these people that apparently "hated" him (plenty rumours on here from people "in the know";) when he worked here, I have never seen the staff around the ground so happy to see him and his staff and make an effort to see him when they were up here the other week.

Either KC was a nightmare, or the load of people I seen go to see him are s*** houses.

They would take him back I guarantee that! But, there is no agenda against SP , so we don't hear this side.
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KC threw 2/3 lads on against Hartlepool didnt he, last game of the season when we were 2-0 up or 3-1 up? They struggled and KC got hammered.


Think it was Hammell and maybe Taylor who came on against Hartlepool, we then chucked a 3-0 lead.

What would you say would be a decent deal for Branthwaite Lummy?
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Its a really tough one, need to see more of him, but the clubs who I know watching him, would take him right now.

If we keep him longer and he has a bad spell, will it lower the fee, its cat and mouse.

I would say in todays market, do not take less then 1 million, if he keeps playing the way he does over next 10-15 games, but with massive add ons and clauses.

I would say much more than 1 million, but the board are not going to knock back those numbers are they?
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Be interesting to see if any movement come January!
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O/S suggests it was Sheridan:

The club’s director of football David Holdsworth said: “Liam has shown his potential and John [Sheridan] has seen that, and has involved him in the first team environment because of it.

https://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/2018/september/mccarronsigns29sep18/


Or maybe it was simply because KC didn't have the minister of propaganda working above him trying to hide the bad aspects of the club with any minor positive.

Holdsworth's comment's were probably designed as the start of the campaign to sell McCarron, just like Pressley's recent comments about Branthwaite
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Does anyone know what the player himself wants to do?

The club and McCarron probably got a pretty sweet deal financially, but going from featuring in 20 first-team games last season to pottering around in some championship club's U-23s doesn't seem like great career progress.
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Any move with a loan back until end of Season would make sense, given Braithwaite is technically a second year Youth?

Going back to Youth football would be a mistake, the two who’ve pushed on most in recent years since leaving us, Potts and Dempsey, have played a lot of football for their ages...
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Needs to play first team football, BUT, because Pep is keeping Foden with Man City to learn their way, other clubs stock pile and follow suit.

Going back to when I played and if I had my time again, and I was in his or McCarron's postion (hindsight a great thing), I would stay, play, and get the move, BUT, you are only an injury away or loss of form from it never happening.

Dean Saunders son, in Crewe youth team, banging in goals. Crewe offer him a 3 yr pro deal on £350 per week at 17, rising every year by around £100, £10,000 signing on fee.

Spurs offer him £5000 per week for 5 years to go into their U19s when he first joins.

Saunders son knows players there, and would rather be tapping on the Crewe first team then kicking his heels in an academy.
Dean Saunders admires his sons attitude, but also as a father realises this contract at Spurs will give him a great start in life.

The son stays, doesn't go as well as expected, now kicking his heels in the lower leagues.

Both sides of the coin, decisions for player and family.
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Might need to knock a couple of noughts off the potential fee but I would have thought there will be scouts checking out Brockbank at the Reds. If we hadn't released him I would suggest we should be checking him out. I'm sure he could already play at a higher level and in a couple of years could be a very good player.
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To be fair to KC the youth team were not good enough to break through in KC's reign, plus we had a stronger squad.



Its funny, all these people that apparently "hated" him (plenty rumours on here from people "in the know";) when he worked here, I have never seen the staff around the ground so happy to see him and his staff and make an effort to see him when they were up here the other week.

Either KC was a nightmare, or the load of people I seen go to see him are s*** houses.

They would take him back I guarantee that! But, there is no agenda against SP , so we don't hear this side.


Why don’t you name them Lummy otherwise you insinuating this every time makes you as bad as them.
For the record I was sad to see KC go, but looking back we couldn’t sustain the kind of spending he was doing, will always be grateful for him keeping us up but fell short at the end imo.
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Brockbank has been excellent all year,probably lucky to have Danny Grainger as manager who has shown faith in him but as far as for United trying to sign him back, how much would they be willing to pay compensation to the reds?Dont know who made the final decision on releasing players last season because Cieran Casson has also been immense in the midfield.
As for Dean Saunders son ,seen him play for Nantwich last season that's a massive drop from a move to spurs,you can see why the young lads take their chance at big club when offers come in
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To be fair to KC the youth team were not good enough to break through in KC's reign, plus we had a stronger squad.



Its funny, all these people that apparently "hated" him (plenty rumours on here from people "in the know";) when he worked here, I have never seen the staff around the ground so happy to see him and his staff and make an effort to see him when they were up here the other week.

Either KC was a nightmare, or the load of people I seen go to see him are s*** houses.

They would take him back I guarantee that! But, there is no agenda against SP , so we don't hear this side.


Why don’t you name them Lummy otherwise you insinuating this every time makes you as bad as them.
For the record I was sad to see KC go, but looking back we couldn’t sustain the kind of spending he was doing, will always be grateful for him keeping us up but fell short at the end imo.


Pressley's got the same budget as Keith according to Jenks.
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To be fair to KC the youth team were not good enough to break through in KC's reign, plus we had a stronger squad.



Its funny, all these people that apparently "hated" him (plenty rumours on here from people "in the know";) when he worked here, I have never seen the staff around the ground so happy to see him and his staff and make an effort to see him when they were up here the other week.

Either KC was a nightmare, or the load of people I seen go to see him are s*** houses.

They would take him back I guarantee that! But, there is no agenda against SP , so we don't hear this side.


Why don’t you name them Lummy otherwise you insinuating this every time makes you as bad as them.
For the record I was sad to see KC go, but looking back we couldn’t sustain the kind of spending he was doing, will always be grateful for him keeping us up but fell short at the end imo.


Pressley's got the same budget as Keith according to Jenks.


Unless Jenkins is including the roof repairs in the playing budget then this sounds like a dodgy statement for him to put out.

Has Holdsworth then sanctioned a load of signings that should be on a much higher wage and this represents 'value for money'?
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If Maguire was worth 80 million Branthwaite is worth at least 5 million
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Whichever way you look at it, a struggling League 2 club is always going to get less than the true value of a player they are selling to a much bigger club.
It is how football and life in general works.
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To be fair to KC the youth team were not good enough to break through in KC's reign, plus we had a stronger squad.



Its funny, all these people that apparently "hated" him (plenty rumours on here from people "in the know";) when he worked here, I have never seen the staff around the ground so happy to see him and his staff and make an effort to see him when they were up here the other week.

Either KC was a nightmare, or the load of people I seen go to see him are s*** houses.

They would take him back I guarantee that! But, there is no agenda against SP , so we don't hear this side.


Why don’t you name them Lummy otherwise you insinuating this every time makes you as bad as them.
For the record I was sad to see KC go, but looking back we couldn’t sustain the kind of spending he was doing, will always be grateful for him keeping us up but fell short at the end imo.


No bother mate, was it Blubry, CCU, few others really did not like him.

I agree, he was bloody frustrating, but there was an agenda I thought by a few on here.

CCU, I get on with you, but if KC was running the team like it is now, there would be more coming out.

Blubry, you didn’t like him either, but the stick he got, fair enough, but why isn’t SP getting it?

I don’t want SP to get it, but the same stuff goes on now about him like KC, why not the jabs now?

I will never hide behind what I say, and I do respect everyone’s opinion, but I will say what I think, and that’s the beauty of it all, we are all in this together, we all care.

I thought Kav was great! That’s how much I know ;)
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Keith Curle would definitely have included the young lads if they were good enough. Why wouldn't he?
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Because looking back he liked to spend the clubs money on already established players, nothing wrong with that if they were decent but at the end it seemed like he was desperate for promotion at any cost and that’s when the quality of our signings on the whole deteriorated.
Cheers for the reply Lummy, I think the difference now with SP is that people are proportioning a large share of the blame for how poor we are with the board, when KC took over everybody was behind what he was doing and as I’ve said I liked him and he will always be remembered for keeping us up with some shrewd signings in JK etc.
It was when he was spending the money on players people quite rightly expected promotion.
And with regards to Kav, I remember coming home from Morecambe midweek after we’d beat them on penalties in one of Kavs first games and listening to him on the radio thinking he was going to be the Messiah, shame it never worked out for him because apparently he’s a good bloke as well. :-)
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A lot of the disliking of Curle seemed to stem from the alleged treatment of some of the players, the same players who were part of the pisstaking culture under Kavanagh.

Too much player power in football these days, any manager who comes in, takes control and instills a bit of discipline should be applauded.
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I will hold my hand up I didn't think a great deal of Curle as a manager. in regards to getting a team up I don't think he's good enough.He is very capable for getting limited teams fighting a relegation battle as he has proved however the rotation policy was a bit of a joke the likes of Wyke and Devitt in and out of team I think he squandered money and some of his signings seemed panic signings

Nice bloke just not got the nouse for promotion chasing teams imo although be very pleased for him if he gets a promotion on his Cv ..
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I will hold my hand up I didn't think a great deal of Curle as a manager. in regards to getting a team up I don't think he's good enough.He is very capable for getting limited teams fighting a relegation battle as he has proved however the rotation policy was a bit of a joke the likes of Wyke and Devitt in and out of team I think he squandered money and some of his signings seemed panic signings

Nice bloke just not got the nouse for promotion chasing teams imo although be very pleased for him if he gets a promotion on his Cv ..


On a few occasions he pulled someone off at half time.
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Managers at this level are exactly the same as players. Some clubs work out perfectly for certain people at a particular time, where they'd fail miserably at another club.

They're all decent enough managers who could get promotion or relegation with the right or wrong budget, and they've all got their faults.

Higher level than us but Chris Coleman worked absolute wonders with Wales. Left that cushty job to go to Sunderland and effectively got them relegated to the third tier of English football. Is he a brilliant manager because of what he did with Wales, or a terrible manager because of his time with Sunderland?

The same applies with Curle, Sheridan, Pressley, Ward, Abbott etc. Not Kavanagh though, he was shite.
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I will hold my hand up I didn't think a great deal of Curle as a manager. in regards to getting a team up I don't think he's good enough.He is very capable for getting limited teams fighting a relegation battle as he has proved however the rotation policy was a bit of a joke the likes of Wyke and Devitt in and out of team I think he squandered money and some of his signings seemed panic signings

Nice bloke just not got the nouse for promotion chasing teams imo although be very pleased for him if he gets a promotion on his Cv ..


On a few occasions he pulled someone off at half time.


I was quite happy with an orange when I played as a lad but everybody to their own I suppose.
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There's no way the budget is the same as last season we our bargain basement transfers. They said so themselves.

If it is Presley needs to be sacked immediately!

I'd say nearly all of them are probably on between £400 and £700 a week.
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There's no way the budget is the same as last season we our bargain basement transfers. They said so themselves.

If it is Presley needs to be sacked immediately!

I'd say nearly all of them are probably on between £400 and £700 a week.

The reason why that is players are willing to take less money on a two year contract as they have two years , you actually pay a premium for 1 years as player what more as it's not as stable .
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All the Full-Backs have impressed me for Reds this season Brockbank, Hebson and the most recent signing Clarke. It's where I've beeen getting my football fix lately. Casson looks like he could make the step up at least two divisions at 18-yr old so he should only get better with more experience.

p.s. I don't like this fannying about at the back lark which is the fashion these days at all levels. A mistake waiting to happen.
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I’m pretty sure Stevenage got over a million for Ben wilmot a couple of years ago so we should get a similar amount for branthwaite
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Local paper quoting some of us from here!

https://twitter.com/avfc_news/status/1196439778243284992?s=21
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I'd say the first thing we need to do as a matter of urgency is get Branthwaite to sign a new improved deal, for no other reason than to strengthen the clubs hand in price negotiations.
Realistically we can't keep him, but we need to reassure the lad that if a decent bid comes in and he likes the destination then we won't stand in the way but we'll demand a proper sum for him.
If we leave him on an existing deal on peanuts then the bidding club holds every card, they'll offer £10.50 and a pack of Juicy Fruit Gum like they always do, then it's up to the panel to decide the cost....although they've seen us ok in the past it still has the whiff of Russian roulette about it.

Given that Premier League clubs spend more than £1m on bog roll and Coffee for a couple of home games, it's not unreasonable to ask that £1m be paid up front with add ons later under certain conditions. A panel will probably decide on £600,000 and add ons ranging from first 1st team appearance to 30th England Cap...meaning we probably won't see the total fee agreed.
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Why is there a panel involved hes a contracted player.
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Always thought that if the two can't agree a fee the panel intervene when the player is under 23?
Didn't realise it only applies to out of contract.
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I dont know hunting. The age thing may play a part but hes our player in the 1st team and under contract till 2021. I would think if the offers not enough we dont sell.
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Be interesting to see if any movement come January!


He'll be away in January..
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I hope his family think it would be better to get more experience on the tools first and he stays on.
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The worrying thing is he’s our best CB, (on the basis he can kick a ball).

Did an interview post Morecambe on the official site, which he seems happy. I think he’ll stay till the summer, then be off. If he keeps going the way he is and with the teams who are watching him - Villa have no chance.

Also worth noting we could be in a considerably better financial position in jan - new owners and potentially Cosgrove and Henderson sell on fees coming in.
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Also given the base fee Exeter received for Ampadu (8 appearances) we should be asking for greater than the 1.3 million they received (they had to go to a tribuneral),
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That’s bad news, who was it that died?
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all 3 of them.
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I hope his family think it would be better to get more experience on the tools first and he stays on.

This is the conundrum with the calibre of clubs that seem interested in him.
If he goes to a prem club, where the big money for him and the club are, likely he dissapears into the vast pool of similar players for quite a few years.
If he goes to the Championship, where the money is less and the club get less, it is still a gamble but he has a better chance.
Do agree his and the clubs best interests (unless he is desperate to get away or the club are desperate for cash) he should bide his time, get 50 apps under his belt, and then be in a much stronger position.
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Sell in Summer for £5m+ with a Season Loan back so he gets proper games.

Sorted...
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Also given the base fee Exeter received for Ampadu (8 appearances) we should be asking for greater than the 1.3 million they received (they had to go to a tribuneral),


Why should we be asking for more than Exeter received for Ampadu? Is Branthwaite better? Did you see Ampadu play much?

He was in the Wales squad by the time he was 16 and was still at Exeter and he’d represented them at different age groups.
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Celtic in for Jarad
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And your source
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