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Has apologised for using the term ‘coloured’ in a debate today.

Reports suggest he is ready to ‘stand down’ from his position as FA Chairman.
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Ignorance is no excuse, Kessler.

This has been common knowledge for decades.

If Mullen or anyone else continues to use the word, they are being racist. You can't change the fact.

If the police were training this in 2008 it's a disgrace.
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Ignorance is no excuse, Kessler.


Says who?

This has been common knowledge for decades.


Yes common, not universal. Meaning most people know to use the word black, but some people still don't.


If Mullen or anyone else continues to use the word, they are being racist. You can't change the fact.


It isn't a fact. Anyone who knows Mullen will know he isn't racist.

If the police were training this in 2008 it's a disgrace.


Perhaps they should let you run all their training courses then?
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"If a person described themselves as a black coloured speccy pikey one armed spakka tranny, then that’s how you’d refer to them but if you wanted to find a person like that you couldn’t use any of those words apart from coloured."

"A PERSON LIKE THAT"

It's beyond reasonable doubt the person who wrote this is being racist, Kessler. If you defend them, you're part of the problem also.
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"If a person described themselves as a black coloured speccy pikey one armed spakka tranny, then that’s how you’d refer to them but if you wanted to find a person like that you couldn’t use any of those words apart from coloured."

"A PERSON LIKE THAT"

It's beyond reasonable doubt the person who wrote this is being racist, Kessler. If you defend them, you're part of the problem also.



Rubbish!

If a lady was raped etc etc and the lady described the “person like that” she described as a black coloured speccy pikey one armed spakka tranny short arse fat old baldy [censored].

How do the police make that politically correct to pass onto the e-fit team and alert yet public to look for this person.

Ok pig, what should be used?

I obviously wouldn’t use all those terms, but what’s the correct terminology for the above?
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If you "obviously" wouldn't use all those terms, which terms would you use?
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If you "obviously" wouldn't use all those terms, which terms would you use?


You seem to be an expert on this subject, so I’m asking what you’d use?

I’ll then compare and contrast.
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You're asking me to describe a pretend rapist you've dreamed up in your own little racist scenario? Really?

The officers taking the statement should encourage the alleged victim to describe the suspect in non-racist terms. Simple as that, the people asking the questions have a huge influence and responsibility.
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You're asking me to describe a pretend rapist you've dreamed up in your own little racist scenario? Really?

The officers taking the statement should encourage the alleged victim to describe the suspect in non-racist terms. Simple as that, the people asking the questions have a huge influence and responsibility.


What non racist terms would you suggest?

As I say, you seem to be an expert in this, I want to learn from an expert the correct terminology?

Because I was told in my police training 12 years ago I could use coloured, this has changed so what can I use.

To make it simpler, how do I describe a coloured man?
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Why is the rapist in your scenario Black?

It's for the same reason you're continually using the word "coloured" in this context, even in the face of having its racist and offensive meaning explained to you.

It's clear you're a racist, Mullen. The more you post, the clearer it becomes.
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I think we’re all a bit racist.
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It's for the same reason you're continually using the word "coloured" in this context, even in the face of having its racist and offensive meaning explained to you.


franksidebottom raised an interesting point in relation to this though. Coloured used to be considered the appropriate word and now it isn't. Who specifically made that decision, when did it happen? And what right did that individual have to declare that it was no longer appropriate and what the correct term going forward should be? Look at the context of what people say, as you can generally tell from that whether they are truly racist. Mullen isn't.
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Why is the rapist in your scenario Black?

It's for the same reason you're continually using the word "coloured" in this context, even in the face of having its racist and offensive meaning explained to you.

It's clear you're a racist, Mullen. The more you post, the clearer it becomes.


My rapist was black as an example, because that’s the issue we were talking about - coloured.

Ok so I’m a racist, fine, now tell me what I should use on your opinion.
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Your rapist was Black because you're racist, you could've picked an infinite number of other non-racist examples.

And you say it yourself "My rapist was Black"

That wasn't too difficult now, was it?
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I find the whole saga rather tedious,lno more comments ,I will be called a racist which I certainly am not.
Mings calls for a black person to replace Clarke ,is that not discrimination .?


This is what I’m talking about when people don’t put things into context, or misquote people, or misinterpret what they say. Mings doesn’t call for a black person to replace Clarke at all, in fact he made a point of saying it’s not what he’s necessarily asking for. He’s merely saying it would be a huge step for equality when asked about the subject.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54896395
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Why is the rapist in your scenario Black?

It's for the same reason you're continually using the word "coloured" in this context, even in the face of having its racist and offensive meaning explained to you.

It's clear you're a racist, Mullen. The more you post, the clearer it becomes.


I tell what is clear (apart from the fact that neither Kessler or Mullen is racist), it is that you are a complete p****.
I presume you you have got bored of attempting to rile Laffy!
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Why is the rapist in your scenario Black?

It's for the same reason you're continually using the word "coloured" in this context, even in the face of having its racist and offensive meaning explained to you.

It's clear you're a racist, Mullen. The more you post, the clearer it becomes.


I tell what is clear (apart from the fact that neither Kessler or Mullen is racist), it is that you are a complete p****.
I presume you you have got bored of attempting to rile Laffy!


Just call him League Two Piglet that always shuts him up :p
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Your rapist was Black because you're racist, you could've picked an infinite number of other non-racist examples.

And you say it yourself "My rapist was Black"

That wasn't too difficult now, was it?





It is difficult pig, because from multiple sources I’ve been told not to say black.

School
Police
Referees course

I was told at school to use the term coloured to describe a person of that type.

Mentioned the police.

In my referee course I was told to use the coloured rather than black or Asian if I needed to put it in a report.

No ones told me any difference. Black was the word we weren’t allowed to use, it came about from the Stephen Lawrence case (this was in the police training)

So all those people were wrong or has times changed.

I’ve never ever been told coloured is offensive but I have black numerous times. Now we are told that’s the correct term.

So it’s simple I’ll use black from now on, that’s all I wanted to know - no idea when it changed?
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As Nobby said everyone is a bit racist , just depends to what degree. Although what we all agree on you can stop somthing being racists by say the words "I'm not racist but ....."
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I’m with Mullen-I had no idea that coloured was a derogatory or offensive term.Why?Because I don’t spend my days trawling through text books checking on words that might offend any race or colour.That doesn’t make me racist.Having checked the history of the term, I can see the point but that’s because I checked.

As for Piglet-well he’s a sociopath.He may need to look it up but he sure will recognise himself when he does.
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Why is it that you need to refer to anybody by their colour ?
Can't remember ever needing to refer to someone as white ?
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Why is it that you need to refer to anybody by their colour ?
Can't remember ever needing to refer to someone as white ?


If you were assaulted by a white man and gave the police a description of your attacker, wouldn't you say it was a "white man" rather than just "a man" so they can narrow it down?
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Ignore Kes-he’s gone woke.

The human race is made up of all sorts of shades, colours, creeds-as the song goes, ‘the creed and the colour and the name don’t matter’
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If I'm a "prick" and a "sociopath" for calling racists out for their behaviour, that's fine with me.

If nobody calls racists out they'll continue to be racist and nothing will change.

Some of the attitudes and prejudices of some of our supporters are disappointing if not particularly surprising.
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Ignore Kes-he’s gone woke.


Woke?
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A useful resume

https://apple.news/AqmHvxOh3Tp2pS24CX_A5IA
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If these people don't think using the word coloured is wrong, then how can it be ?

https://www.naacp.org/about-us/


Or, are they racist, as I am coloured.
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Just to prove the point how ludicrous politically correct language has become and how today's terminology will be deemed unacceptable tomorrow.

From today's Guardian; the term BAME is now offensive.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/nov/12/bame-term-offends-those-it-attempts-to-describe-sporting-survey-finds-sporting-equals
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Just to prove the point how ludicrous politically correct language has become and how today's terminology will be deemed unacceptable tomorrow.

From today's Guardian; the term BAME is now offensive.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/nov/12/bame-term-offends-those-it-attempts-to-describe-sporting-survey-finds-sporting-equals


To be honest, I think this is a good idea.

Attitudes, ethics and values differ in all the Groups,(including white) by breaking it down will have a positive affect and stop the 'them and us' attitude of some.

Simply grouping everyone who is not white into the BAME Group is not a way forward.

However, making the suggestion to ban it is one thing, offering a solution for everyone to get on-board is another.
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On a similar note, I see Q has been added to LGBT to describe those of a differing sexuality. I honestly thought someone was taking the piss when they said the Q stands for queer, I would’ve though queer is the last word you would want to be described as if you were gay, considering it means strange or odd.

It’s hard to keep up with correct terminology (or correct according to political correctness), is it any wonder people are getting caught out?
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Totally agree Frank-it’s getting to the point that we will need a book of no no’s which we can all study.Ever feel like the world is closing in and suffocating normal life?
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On a similar note, I see Q has been added to LGBT to describe those of a differing sexuality. I honestly thought someone was taking the piss when they said the Q stands for queer, I would’ve though queer is the last word you would want to be described as if you were gay, considering it means strange or odd.

It’s hard to keep up with correct terminology (or correct according to political correctness), is it any wonder people are getting caught out?


Q was added yonks ago.

LGBTQ+ stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, questioning and “plus,” which represents other sexual identities including pansexual, asexual and omnisexual.

Keep up grandad!
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The world has gone bonkers. Saw a thing from greenpeace that said men can menstrate.



In Ireland the term black is forbidden but the word coloured is ok. Now it appears in the UK it’s derogatory and is the opposite.

My mate in Tanzania, who is coloured, and I had a discussion today. They prefer coloured as due to past history the term black is derogatory.

So we are going to have different rules for different countries.
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Interesting listening to the Lewis Hamilton interview on the BBC news this lunchtime. The interviewer asked him if his success would inspire more “people of colour” into Formula 1. I’m confused! “Coloured person” is frowned upon yet “people of colour” is acceptable?!!

The lunatics have definitely taken over the asylum.
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Interesting listening to the Lewis Hamilton interview on the BBC news this lunchtime. The interviewer asked him if his success would inspire more “people of colour” into Formula 1. I’m confused! “Coloured person” is frowned upon yet “people of colour” is acceptable?!!

The lunatics have definitely taken over the asylum.


Well that's a hat trick for the BBC this week after doctoring ''Fairytale in New York''by changing the words slut and faggot and the EU correspondent refering to fisher people instead of fishermen.
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I can get people having different views on what words are inappropriate.
However, I cant really understand people who have jobs and that, who have never really heard the notion that the term coloured is at best considered a bit iffy.
If you disagree, that's fine, but to say you have no notion that it would be considered offensive by many, I just dont believe you that you didnt know that already.
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Interesting listening to the Lewis Hamilton interview on the BBC news this lunchtime. The interviewer asked him if his success would inspire more “people of colour” into Formula 1. I’m confused! “Coloured person” is frowned upon yet “people of colour” is acceptable?!!

The lunatics have definitely taken over the asylum.


That's something that I too have never been able to fathom. They're derivitaves of the exact same word, one a noun and one an adjective.

In US it appears to be the norm to use "African American". Serious question, how do the Americans refer to a person of colour from the West Indies or from UK?
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